Weird Sightings

Perhaps you can provide us with a quick sketch?

no scanner. my neighbors are all elderly, i thought some might have scanners with their computers, but the ones that have computers dont, so i'm out of luck there, too.

I'm gonna try to do something in paint, maybe that'll help a bit.

or expose my horrible art skills, lol.

eh, things aren't going well in paint.

Let me describe it from Head to Toe, and then maybe you can get a better idea of it.

Brown hair- cut shorter, and very ruffled and messy.

very angular face- the only face i can compare it to- shape wise, not feature wise- is Robert Patrick from Terminator 2.

grey eyes- they almost appear sad.

Scar on it's left temple- (on my right, from where im sitting)

big lips- very big, and very reddish/pink.

extremely pale, almost grey, skin.

height wise, i would say 5'9'' to 5'10''- just a bit taller than me.

wearing a dirty greyish black sweatshirt- it's very tattered, but no gaping holes or anything.

dirty jeans- not sure of the color, they could be dark blue, and just very dirty, or they could be greyish, but they definitely aren't black.

the oddest thing is that it's shoes appear to be fairly clean, considering the rest of what it's got on- they're just brown slip on shoes, kind of like hush puppies i guess.

hope that helps a bit, sorry i can't sketch for you.

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
"you may want to consider that there is no heaven or hell"

I keep an open mind, but no, I will not consider that, and I HAVE considered it before. Me, personally? I believe that Hell is all suffering, and not an actual place. Heaven? I believe is the ultimate paradise. So, no, I will not consider that, sorry. Good and evil might be man made concepts - in part. I'll give a scenario. Say that good and evil was never made up. Raping a 7 year old child wasn't considered good nor bad, what would YOU personally do in that situation..hmm..say it happened to your DAUGHTER..what then? Since there is no good and evil, what is this? It is evil. Pure evil.

Gassing millions. How about this? Pure evil.

Evil exists. Good exists. This isn't just a 'concept', it is truth. Why? Because when I help an elderly person, donate money to the poor, or give of my personal time to help others, I get that feeling. That feeling that you KNOW you have done something good, and this is more than a concept, my friend, much more. When someone does something evil, or even when I do something evil, I know it. When I see someone being racist (happened recently) to a close friend of mine, I know it is evil. And when I stuck up for that person (which I did), I knew I did something right. Good and Evil are more than just a concept. Heaven and Hell are more than just a concept. That very argument you posed on me "You can't put man's laws on something that is not human" used to be my personal argument to use in my favor. And now I see that there may be a heaven, and something else, and there may be a hell, and something else. There is always more.

As for convincing me of there not being a heaven and hell? No. I will not buy it. You wanna know what hell is? Fighting in 'Nam. That is hell. And they all knew it. You wanna know what heaven is? Knowing you are doing good, and realizing that you are on the right path. That is heaven.

-wD

Well if you're considering raping a 7 year old or gassing millions maybe religion is the place for you. So you give money to elderly people and to charities? Are you sure that's good, it might make them more comfortable but does it really solve anything? Sounds like you're addressing a symptom of a larger problem and not really fixing anything for the better. Good and evil are both as subjective as the persons perspective performing the act. Racism is another issue all together, 76% of black males between the age of 16-25 will commit a violent crime (2001 government statistics there) now some might argue that to be a reason to be a little more cautious around black males in that age range, does that make them racist?
It's all perspective, you can't draw a good and evil line when no good or evil really exists, to do so would make you delusional and simpleminded. Some people (like ones who feel the need to rape a 7 year old and gas millions of people) may need that type of simple minded approach to be able to help control themselves. But for people like myself, right and wrong is a tool to use against people who see it as real. I really think that scares people like you who need to see that nonexistent line there. Does that mean I'm out to hurt people? no. Does it mean I'm going to rape a small child or a goat or something? no. It means I don't' have to look at the world through a narrow tunnel. That's all it means. Once you truly start to believe something based on faith is when you start to lose touch with reality.

As for this whole "I'm seeing something no one else can see." Come on man, I gave you a potential opportunity to let me take a look at a picture and you refused. If it was really that important something like hitting the old man up for a few bucks wouldn't be an issue. If you're telling the truth than about now your whole family thinks your a nut, and there's the possibility you have a mental disorder. But getting proof of what you're seeing isn't a priority to you? One word, HOAX. Stop wasting our time, you should be banned.

Originally posted by Bobbo
I dont own a ouija board- the last time i used one was on halloween, when i was living with someone- they knew about proper use, etc.

I'd be a little worried i'd mess up, and end up permanently haunted, lol.

where can one be bought? in any retail stores?

I saw one at target for $20 or you could make your own
ebay has a bunch.

so ban me.

from what i've read, just within the past 20 minutes or so, not every type of apparition will appear on film- no matter what you do to the photo after it's taken.

so if you think it's a hoax, JOHNSmith, then don't listen. and i'm not hitting anyone up for money- you know nothing about my, or my family's financial situation- which isn't bad, by any means, but i dont ask for cash due to my parents paying my bills, which i've said before- so i don't think it's your place to say anything. and 100 bucks for a camera is alot more than a few bucks to hit the old man up for.

like i said, if you aren't gonna offer some sort of suggestion as to what this might be- without seeing a photo- then don't even post, because it's of no help to me, which is what i'm trying to gain from this.

and no, i don't have a mental disorder, since it's presence has been felt by others in my house- my sister can feel the temperature change, and it obviously scares the animals.

Originally posted by Bobbo
so ban me.

from what i've read, just within the past 20 minutes or so, not every type of apparition will appear on film- no matter what you do to the photo after it's taken.

so if you think it's a hoax, JOHNSmith, then don't listen. and i'm not hitting anyone up for money- you know nothing about my, or my family's financial situation- which isn't bad, by any means, but i dont ask for cash due to my parents paying my bills, which i've said before- so i don't think it's your place to say anything. and 100 bucks for a camera is alot more than a few bucks to hit the old man up for.

like i said, if you aren't gonna offer some sort of suggestion as to what this might be- without seeing a photo- then don't even post, because it's of no help to me, which is what i'm trying to gain from this.

and no, i don't have a mental disorder, since it's presence has been felt by others in my house- my sister can feel the temperature change, and it obviously scares the animals.

Maybe there is a problem with your heating system and it's causing a temperature problem in your house along with a high pitched sound you can't hear that's scarring your animals. There are a lot of maybes. 18-30 (mostly in the late 20's though) is the time schizophrenia usually will show up. There are a lot of possible explanations and you don't seem interested in solving what's going on on any other level than "it's a ghost and I need to communicate with it." That's not a very good approach, you would think a person would take any reasonable means to figure out what's going on no matter if it means finding a few bucks for a digital cam or getting a cat scan. You just messing with people here, you're not taking this as seriously as you should. So again I say HOAX.

I'm absolutely taking this seriously. and if you read earler posts, you'd have read that i just had a physical- which included a cat scan- and i was given a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH.

now, no one is forcing you into reading this. and there isn't a problem with my heating system that's causing cold spots in my house. and i'm definitely not suffering from a mental disorder.

so say what you want, but again, you know NOTHING of my financial situation, and i'm absolutely not gonna borrow a hundred and some odd dollars just to prove to a low-life like you that this is real. and what happens when you can't find it on the picture? i'm stuck with a camera i dont need? what you want me to do is something beyond my monetary means. so stop asking.

There's no need to personally attack me, let's take a look at your story here.

on page 7 of this thread you say "hell, I'm all for picking up a new camera tomorrow, to try and snap a photo of this damn thing."

and now you say: "and what happens when you can't find it on the picture? I'm stuck with a camera i dont need?"

and "and there isn't a problem with my heating system that's causing cold spots in my house." did you even check, or call someone with the skills to take a look at it? No you didn't so you can't say that.

Oh and "i just had a physical- which included a cat scan- and i was given a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH" so CAT scans are part of a regular physical? I think not, they don't give those unless they have a reason to, (they cost a bit of money too) although schizophrenia won't always show up in them either.

Can you explain those inconsistencies?

yea- when i said i was all for getting the camera, i was assuming my checks had cleared- which, when i checked my wb banking this morning, they hadn't. which means no camera.

the heating system was cleaned and checked 3 days ago- my dad is an HVAC and heating and A/C specialist.

and yea, my physical did include a cat scan, it has since i was 10.

and i dont really appreciate your suggestions that i'm schizophrenic, since you don't even know me.

there's your explanations.

He never said he got a CAT scan he just said he went to the doctor for a checkup and there's absolutely nothing wrong with him.

Man you have a answer for everything don't you lol. CAT scans are mostly used for people with cancer, it never has been and never will be use as part of a regular physical, even if you had cancer in the past there would have to be a current health problem in order for them to use it. Did they give you a MRI too? A cat scan will cost $800 and unless a doctor specifically says you need on because of a current health problem you would be paying that out of your own pocket.

I don't need to know you to claim you may be schizophrenic, you're seeing things, that's a symptom of it.

It's very convenient that your heating system was checked just 3 days ago lol, had I not brought it up would it still of been checked 3 days ago? Just like you get CAT scan with your regular physical.

The gig is up man, just give over.

Originally posted by Bobbo
yea- when i said i was all for getting the camera, i was assuming my checks had cleared- which, when i checked my wb banking this morning, they hadn't. which means no camera.

the heating system was cleaned and checked 3 days ago- my dad is an HVAC and heating and A/C specialist.

and yea, my physical did include a cat scan, it has since i was 10.

and i dont really appreciate your suggestions that i'm schizophrenic, since you don't even know me.

there's your explanations.

first of- if you'd read earlier posts- you'd know that i'm studying nursing- so i would recognize sypmtoms of any mental illness, and i'd get checked out.

second, do you know anything about my medical history? don't think so. so you don't know the reasoning behind the cat scan, do you? don't think so. And i'm not going to tell you, or anyone else, why, sinces its quite frankly none of your business.

as for the heating system in the house, my brother and sister both have severe asthma and dust allergies- my dad cleans it weekly, and in this case he did it twice in a week, because hes out of town for several days.

and no, i don't have an answer for everything. but i don't like being called a liar, or even having the fact that i'm lying be brought up when i know i'm telling the truth. so you can be damn sure i'm not going to sit here and take it.

and i believe calling me schizophrenic when i'm not might be considered slander.

and a cat scan doesnt cost 800 dollars.

correction: if it's in print, it's considered libel.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Bobbo]

it's also pretty sad that this has gone from a discussion on what i'm experiencing, to a discussion about you thinking you know everything, and me having to defend myself against that.

I'm not very happy about that, because it's gotten us way off the topic at hand.

i don't need to proove anything to you, JOHNSmith. I know what I am seeing.

Hello Bobbo-I have finally returned,

A couple of things:

it appears the JOHNSmith is attempting to either discredit the Author of the post, or re-direct the converstation. Frankly, I find both annoying.

Being a Paranormal Researcher, (published & interviewed on the subject of Paranormal Activity), I have a little bit of experience with documenting paranormal activity for the purpose of either proving, or disproving activity.

Now-I don't know Bobbo-however, I would be remiss, and irresponsible if I did not assume he is being sincere, and treating his story accordingly.

After all, if he is telling the truth (and I am currently inclined to believe him), I could not abandon him to face this being by himself.

On the subject of Angels: No Angel ever appeared in the Bible without it's VERY first words being "Fear Not".

Also, it is impossible to mistake an Angel for a Human Spirit.

I would also rule out Jesus, or a Divine Figure.

Even in Occult ("hidden") traditions, beings, spirits, imps, demons, jinns, what-have-you, do not simply appear, and refuse to commmunicate, just stare. At least, in my readings, and experience, I have never heard of it happening.

I am 99.9% positive this is a human spirit.

Now, human spirits can, and will get caught inbetween here, and there. They will for wahtever reason, refuse to go "into the light". (That is not a Hollywood creation. Everyone from Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross (ON DEATH AND DYING), to psychic communication, has verified that there is a light that people approach after they leave this world).

And, JOHNSmith, what could you possibly accomplish by bringing up a theological discussion at this point?

The man has a spirit hanging about glaring at him, trust me, getting a picture, or discussing Heaven/Hell/Purgitory is NOT going to be priority one!

Well according to the health care website I just checked they do cost $800. According to webmd.com it's not something that you will have done during a physical. I checked a couple other sites too.

Sue Me Please I'm Loaded, good luck with that.

Done being a thug and ready to apologize to these nice people that wasted their time on your little hoax?

Originally posted by Bobbo
and i believe calling me schizophrenic when i'm not might be considered slander.

and a cat scan doesnt cost 800 dollars.

correction: if it's in print, it's considered libel.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Bobbo]

should i continue my attempts to communicate with it, LSG, or should i ignore it completely?

also, the white sage didn't work

One other thing, JOHNSmith, stop trying to discredit, and challange everything the Author has said, YOU may be of the opinion it is mental illness, or what-have-you, but that does NOT make it so.

Common sense would dictate that it Bobbo has an mortuary sciences, he has learned QUITE a bit about the medical field.

Now-and I am being totally honest here, I have had photos published in magazines of "ghosts". As silly as it sounds, my team will actually say out loud "May I take your picture?" and *snap*.

It usually works.

But we are not dealing with a real cooperative spirit here.

thug? you're the one attempting to discredit me, so i think you're mistaken in calling me one.

and i wouldn't sue over one incident, but i wouldn't keep it up, or i'll fight til i'm blue in the face to have you banned for calling me a schizophrenic.

and i just pulled out my insurance statement. it lists the cost of the cat scan as $350. and i do need one as part of a physical, which is why i have one yearly.

so please, if you can't add anything constructive to this forum, go and babble somewhere else. I don't need to hear it, and quite frankly its nothing short of annoying.