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Jesus taught the individual people were the authority. Jesus taught that those who lived by gods law where signs of god. He actually taught anarchy, and that is why the powers of the time killed him. He threatened their power.
I don't teach anything. It is impossible for me to teach anyone anything.
There is only 1 real teacher(god in all his forms),...
...that is not a choice to follow, that is a fact.
Sort of like the whole - thou shall not tempt the lord, it is more appropriate to say - thou can not tempt the lord.
At most I can merely propose questions that will get them to seek.
You seek by asking questions. If you do not ask questions, then you do not seek.
I think Jesus has a reason when he says - "At that day ye shall know" in John 14:20.
That is the real basis for understanding the bible, until you know and under that, the rest is just reciting based on memory.
When you understand that, then the commandments make sense. And go from someone telling you to do something, to something you will want to follow.
"Anyone who in discussion relies upon authority uses, not his understanding, but rather his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci
How, when or why this happens is not up to me, nor could I predict it. But it doesn't come from the bible, it comes only from Jesus/God in a vision.
It is certainly not my place to decide who has had what experience, who is being honest about their experiences, and how is just appealing and wanting to fit in. Other than to say those things happen.
But I have no doubt that Jesus did what he did so that people could see the example and follow the path.
Jesus made that point very clear and there is nothing valid Paul can say that changes it.
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
In these thesis, Christianity is formulated around Jesus and his philosophy, as spirituality should be.
There's no judgment and punishment from God, only love and compassion.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 8:11 "And Jesus said unto her(the adulterer), Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
Originally posted by Incarnated
However if you choose to believe a higher and more spiritualized meaning
Originally posted by L.I.B.
Come now, we all teach in one way or another. I've even read that some use words.
There is only 1 real teacher(god in all his forms),...
"God in all it's forms." You've repeatedly mentioned the first words you said after your initial awakening: I'm god and I'm arguing with myself.
So you DO teach!
So, then, let's at least be honest with ourselves. We all teach in one way or another. And you do too.
Ever consider that some things might be premature? What is to happen prior to this? What would happen to these individuals who have not yet prepared themselves to be the bride?
I guess your seeking ends when it comes to Paul? No need to answer that as it is already too apparent.
Of course he does. And, also he has a reason for saying: that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. John 17:21
What do you suppose that means, that they may all be one? Does being one occur when those who have been called points to one of God's anointed and essentially say: that one is a fake?
Or, could it be that the one who is pointing is lacking the knowledge that the other one has, which just might be at a higher level?
It has been said by some that the Gospel is so simple that a five year old can understand it.
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
In these thesis, Christianity is formulated around Jesus and his philosophy, as spirituality should be.
There's no judgment and punishment from God, only love and compassion.
when did jesus EVER say there wouldnt be judgement or punishment? it sounds like cherry picking to me.
Originally posted by L.I.B.
Yet, Peter has said that Paul is hard to understand. It is easy to criticize what isn't understood. Much easier than reaching and seeking for understanding.
Why might it be that Paul is hard to understand? Could it be because he had extensive training in the oral torah prior to his calling that the other apostles did not have in their background?
That is the real basis for understanding the bible, until you know and under that, the rest is just reciting based on memory.
Really? Is it? Or is it just the basis for understanding only those parts that you want to? Those parts that give authority to your particular understandings?
I understand that, though, do you not know that there are babes in Christ who have to first learn to turn over, to crawl and then to walk after crawling, which then involves multiple falls, bumps and bruises? Even when the walking becomes easier stumbles occur. There are lessons to be learned in Jesus' example of carrying his own cross to the top of that hill. He even had to let someone else carry it for awhile.
To require a babe to begin walking even before they are able to turn over or to crawl will greatly hamper their development.
This, at times, I think you overlook.
Seeking is all important I agree, and it remains important even after being found. Yes, being found... you did not find, did you? It was a gift, wasn't it? Don't you think the giftor knows when to give the gift?
What about using authority to back up one's own understandings?
Not only is it not up to you, you don't understand why it happens when it does... except the part that it occurs only after seeking.
What things happen? That others lie about these things?
There are those who can tell who has had experiences before even being told that they have. As well as being able to tell those who were born with an experience before this life they are living now. As well as being able to tell who those have never had an experience and don't need one to understand also.
I had only suggested that you reconsider your take on Paul because it would be helpful to you. Just set those verses aside that you think contradict Jesus until you are ready to seek understanding on them.
Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Yes, the Gospel is easy enough for a 5 year old to understand. In fact we are all born with the knowledge we need to know about the "law" it is natural law. Now of course it may not be communicated by a 5 year old that which they understand, but they do.
The older you get the harder it is to understand......yeah, read that again.
What adult on this site, reading this, understands; "thou shalt not kill"...sounds pretty damn simple to me. Yet you have your crowd that says "kill" is different from "murder" abortion is different from capital punishment and depending on your religious misunderstandings...any variety there of.
Now Paul.....many born agains think he speaks for Christ himself and so whatever Paul says Christ has said.....once again, a 5 year old probably has a more accurate understanding then those who follow or think Paul speaks for Christ.
Natural law is universal and it is not learned. It is your birth connection to God....you spend the rest of your life either trying to break away from it or find it with blind eyes and minds.
"....To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted; Ecc 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; Ecc 3:4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; Ecc 3:5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; Ecc 3:6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; Ecc 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; Ecc 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
- Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.