Racism has little to do with the Color of your Skin

There is a growing resentment building in my demographic ( White Anglo Male ) that people of a darker skin are gaining preferential treatment over and above their deserved level.

Now before you have that inbuilt switch programmed into your head telling you to yell out racist and ignore any common sense from here on in let me indulge you a little here, imagine for a few minutes that the word racism doesn't mean a "White" prejudicing minorities or exploiting them but more accurately its a "Trigger Word" designed to enact a response desired by the programmers.

The act of racism can happen amongst the same colored groups who live a few 1000 Kilometers apart like in this instance www.news.com.au... and yet because inside your head you have been programmed not to link that act with racism the words can't find your tongue to spew out the programmed lines.

Where is the screams of Racist in this murder ? or the accusation of "Hate" crime ( another trigger word ), wont happen because this is Australia.

This too, not that I agree with your kind of bizarre premise that this has anything to do with racism or what-have-you. Why would you think racism can only be WASP to ? We all know that everyone hate everyone else. That's a given!


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People are just jerks. Doesn't have a thing in the world to do with anything else. It is so because it is so. Time to grow up, see the light and take responsibility and maybe even evolve.

Racism is the result of an inherent mutual defense mechanism present in all people. It isn't so much that we hate people who look different from ourselves, we simply trust, help, and rely on people who look like us to a far greater degree.

The writer of Babylon 5 (JMS) noticed something one day during shooting that was so surprising he conducted an experiment and mentioned the results in the special features that came on the DVD.

He noticed that actors dressed as various aliens had a tendency to congregate with like-dressed actors during breaks. He also noticed that actors who played alien races that had been written as mortal enemies would almost never freely associate with actors dressed as their enemy.

So he decided to play a little social experiment. The next day he changed which actors where playing which aliens. To his surprise, people who had been buddies eating together the day before now found themselves not saying a word to each other and eating with their new race.

The degree of avoidance was shocking. The people who had been friends the day before now went outside to different places to have cigarettes, ate at different tables, and even practiced lines with different groups of people.

Personality, nor race, nor lifestyle, nor education have anything to do with racism it is all innate. It is about how we perceive potential threats to our life, property, or family.

Racism is an extension of an age-old tribal defense mechanism. When people living in close proximity were all one family, friend or foe was literally written on your face. If you looked related to me you were probably my friend, otherwise you got a spear in the gut.

BTW, this whole aspect of our brain goes to show you that the most powerful thing in the world is "branding." If you can create a "brand" around a group, like say "The Marines", then you can sell the concept of inclusion into that brand. Once included in that group, the mind's defense mechanism ensure that right or wrong you will do whatever upholding the brand's ideals require.

Jon

EDIT TO ADD:

In some ways racism is what it means to be human. Racism is moderated populism - working together for the mutual benefit of people like you. Why is this a bad thing? Why are we taught and constantly told that working together to benefit a few people who are outside of our "tribe" is a more noble undertaking than working for the benefit of ones own? Who do you think profits from that lie?


[edit on 11.26.2008 by Voxel]

White anglo males? Us white anglo females can't be pissed about this too?

Things are GOING to level out. I don't think they're being treated better than white people, not by a damn long shot.

Never heard about the Babylon 5 experiment but this is exactly the point I am trying to put across, you only have to look at adjacent towns who war with each other and then they unite when it comes to a Football match against an Adjacent State.

we humans are a disgusting and intolerant species.

We have no reason to fear or hate anyone on this earth yet we seem to always, always, find a way to spread more and more hate.

Great men have dreamed faught and died for a day in human history that has yet to come and is still off on the very distant horizon. The day when all human beings are equal. A day when there is no rich or poor, smart or dumb, working drone or fat corporate pig.

Time and time again we are faced with choices that will either further revert our species or advance it into a more advanced intelligent and beautiful species. However time and time again we make the same mistake.

There is no black, white, asian, latino, American, Arab, gay, straight, rich or poor. There is only Human. These meaningless and empty titles show our true colors. They show just how primitive and disgusting we are.

I can only hope that before I die I will see the day when we can truly all be just human.

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I don't know how your welfare works in the USA but here in Australia if you can prove your 1/8th caste Aboriginal you are due what we call the "Dole" which is a welfare payment fortnightly till you die and have a state funded funeral. You are paid to go to school, given free breakfast when you turn up and given spending money for making targets like a full month without being AWOL.

You are given ASIC money to pay for a brand new car and if you don't make the payments ( generally known that you only make the first few ) then ASIC take over the payments and you keep the car....I could go on but I'm getting angry knowing I'm working hours of my life so they can have this for sitting around fighting and drinking.

I'm quite familiar with those types of stories. Some group decides to take revenge on another group because one of their group was attacked first. I went to public school, I've heard and witnessed that kind of mentality for a long time. But, we called them gangs.

Originally posted by mazzroth
I don't know how your welfare works in the USA but here in Australia if you can prove your 1/8th caste Aboriginal you are due what we call the "Dole" which is a welfare payment fortnightly till you die and have a state funded funeral. You are paid to go to school, given free breakfast when you turn up and given spending money for making targets like a full month without being AWOL.

You are given ASIC money to pay for a brand new car and if you don't make the payments ( generally known that you only make the first few ) then ASIC take over the payments and you keep the car....I could go on but I'm getting angry knowing I'm working hours of my life so they can have this for sitting around fighting and drinking.

Aboriginal society in Australia has been torn apart by our assimilation policy.
The aim was to "breed the black out of them" by forcibly taking Aboriginal children from their families and placing them in white households, where they were frequently treated as slaves. This continued until 1960, and is often spoken of as "the stolen generation."

For the children this was not done to there was compulsory immunisation, written about by Dr. Linus Pauling in "Every Second Child". The name came from the fact that Aboriginal children from remote areas did not cope well with immunisation against European diseases, and approximately half died.

Further back Aboriginals were murdered en masse, and white squatters found it easy to get a tribe to use sugar and use them as cheap servants, and then when that tribe got in the way of expansion, to put arsenic in their sugar.

Now Australia has a population of about 20,400,000, only ~400,000 of whom identify as Aboriginals.

It is well known that Aborigines are the poorest group in our society. Colin Tatz reminds the reader of some aspects of their social and economic disadvantage: the unemployment rate (at the 1996 census) was 22.7 per cent; the average weekly income $135 per person; trachoma and malnutrition are prevalent; so are obesity, heart diseases and diabetes; renal failure occurs already at a young age.

The highest life expectancy for an Aboriginal male is--at 58 years--in Western Australia; but it is only 53 years in the Northern Territory. Despite improvements in many areas of life, Aborigines in many remote communities have difficult access to health services and education; the job opportunities are limited, housing is often poor, lacking proper sanitation and supply of drinking water. Recreational, leisure and sport facilities are among those most often missing.

Last year Australia banned pornography and alcohol for Aborigines in northern areas and tightened control over their welfare benefits.
More money is being spent on policing these communities,
The military and mining companies have been brought into what were Aboriginal areas.
Aboriginal families lose their welfare benefits if a child wags school.
But schools in these areas are not receiving enough funding to even pay for a chair for each student.

(edited to continue below, as it didn't all fit.)

[edit on 26/11/08 by Kailassa]

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An Australian can never thumb their nose at America for racism.
We have many people here who despise Aboriginals, considering them to be dirty, lazy and untrustworthy by nature, despite the reputation aborigines earned in WW2, rescuing, guiding and fighting beside other Australians. Needless to say, Aboriginals did not get equal pay to whites.

Now that we have stolen their country, tried in many ways to exterminate the race, enslaved them when it suited us, what can we do but tarnish what is left of their reputation with hate fueled rumours, such as the ridiculous notion that Aboriginals just have to ask and they get free new cars?

As for the "dole", (unemployment benefits,) you don't have to be Aborinal to get that, you simply have to be out of work and prove you are trying to get work. This is easier for an Aboriginal because many people refuse to employ them.

And the state paying for their funerals?
If I die penniless, the state will pay for mine too.
It would be in a cardboard box, but so what?
Easier to escape from if you're buried alive.

Originally posted by Voxel
In some ways racism is what it means to be human. Racism is moderated populism - working together for the mutual benefit of people like you. Why is this a bad thing? Why are we taught and constantly told that working together to benefit a few people who are outside of our "tribe" is a more noble undertaking than working for the benefit of ones own? Who do you think profits from that lie?

I can't praise your whole post enough, but this bit I felt particularly compelled to comment on.

What people often forget is that the earliest examples of multiculturalism did not occur because people wanted a shiny, happy, rainbow coloured world where everyone could look past race. Modern society dictates that multiculturalism has always been a deliberate, righteous cause - furthered for no other reason than to enrich the world. This is extremely misleading. The original events which multiculturalism was a byproduct of were mainly slavery and conquest. The only reason multiculturalism is actively furthered by the authorities now is because a) It has already happened so we might aswell go the full hog, b) Eradicating cultural sovereignty can only help aid the Globalist agenda. So again, multiculturalism only exists in our modern age because it is related to conquest. That we've been conditioned to believe that we're being thrust into a multicultural age simply because it's in our best interests is yet another bare-faced lie.

Now this isn't to say that racism is good. It is not! I respect my fellow humans equally and judge their worth by their character, not their skin colour. But it's natural to feel more unity with your own folk. People forget that there are practical reasons for homogeneity too. Folklore and culture is there to educate us about the world around us and when different strains of culture are intermixed, the message is lost. Biologically, different races have different physical traits and thus it's not necessarily good for a black woman to give birth to a mixed child, or vice-versa.

I see no reason why the world can't love and respect one another whilst preserving a certain sense of cultural and racial seperation. I like my neighbour, but I'm not going to let him come and live in my spare room while he has a perfectly good home next door.

The scenario of stealing the Aboriginal nation from them is no different than what occured here in the USA with the native Indians.


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Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by Voxel
In some ways racism is what it means to be human.
...
Biologically, different races have different physical traits and thus it's not necessarily good for a black woman to give birth to a mixed child, or vice-versa.
...

Ah yes, lets go back to the days of the miscegenation laws ...

Sorry, but your contention here is racist codswallop.

There are some situations in which having a baby is not good for a woman:

It is not good for a woman with tiny hips to have very large babies.
It is not good for a malnourished woman to have a baby.
It's not good for an Rh- woman to have more than one Rh+ baby.
It's not good for a physically immature or elderly woman to have a baby.
It's not good for a seriously ill woman to have a baby.

Notice something in common with the above?

Not a single one has anything to do with the father and mother being of different "races".

Now can you point to any situation where anything other than prejudice makes it "not good" for a black woman to have a mixed child?

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You don't get it, skin color here in the Australian Aborigine is so light the only way you can tell if they are indigenous is by facial features. The government has the facility to pay Aboriginals extra money to go to a funeral in a town 500KM's away, special provisions "IF" they are employed that allows them to go walkabout....which is another way of saying disappearing into the bush with relatives and hard drinking.

Can you get that ? I know from a recent experience were my wife had her hand bag stolen, 6+ Women saw the young Aboriginal girl take it but out of fear said nothing. The police come and took statements to which my wife was told sorry but there is not a thing we can do "They" are basically above the law for petty crime.

Sorry but when you spoil a kid and let them get away with everything and give them everything they want for no effort you are creating a major problem and this is what has happened here in Australia.

Originally posted by mazzroth
reply to post by Kailassa

 

You don't get it, skin color here in the Australian Aborigine is so light the only way you can tell if they are indigenous is by facial features. The government has the facility to pay Aboriginals extra money to go to a funeral in a town 500KM's away, special provisions "IF" they are employed that allows them to go walkabout....which is another way of saying disappearing into the bush with relatives and hard drinking.

Can you get that ? I know from a recent experience were my wife had her hand bag stolen, 6+ Women saw the young Aboriginal girl take it but out of fear said nothing. The police come and took statements to which my wife was told sorry but there is not a thing we can do "They" are basically above the law for petty crime.

Sorry but when you spoil a kid and let them get away with everything and give them everything they want for no effort you are creating a major problem and this is what has happened here in Australia.

I get it all right, I live in Australia too.
And I get really tired of people spreading these tales to disparage Aboriginals.
The Aboriginals I know are dark brown, work full time, drive old cars and never go "walkabout."

Now posting disparaging stories about oppressed minority groups on the net without backing up your statements in any way is pretty low.

Originally posted by Kailassa
Sorry, but your contention here is racist codswallop.

Really? In that case I challenge you to point out who I'm racist towards using the things I've said in this thread. Who do I dislike based upon their ethnicity?

Originally posted by Kailassa
Now can you point to any situation where anything other than prejudice makes it "not good" for a black woman to have a mixed child?

By definition, different races evolved in geographical separation. Physical traits differ between different races and whilst it might be common for mixed children to be born healthy, the process is less natural than homogeneous procreation. Besides, if you read my post, I stated another reason why prejudice is irrelevant when it comes to the benefits of homogeneity - culture! But then you may be one of those people who doesn't see culture as an important teaching-tool. Mixed race children suffer from identity crisis, and in my experience they often find it difficult to get a firm footing. Prejudice doesn't come into it. Those are real, practical observations.

Kailassa

www.news.com.au...

I rest my case.

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Originally posted by mazzroth
Kailassa

www.news.com.au...

I rest my case.

A WELL-known Aboriginal activist has demanded the Reserve Bank of Australia pay damages to his family for using his great-uncle's image on the $50 note without permission. ...

This is your "case" to prove that Aboriginals are being given money to buy brand new cars, and all sorts of other benefits non aboriginals miss out on?

Perhaps you pasted in the wrong link?

You are aware, aren't you, that there are legal ramifications to using a person's image without a prior agreement?

QUESTION: Can a company use a person's image in advertising without their permission?

ANSWER: No, they cannot. Recently a woman sued Yahoo for $20,000,000 for using her image without her permission even though the use of this particular woman's image (who was nobody famous) had no real commercial
value. It was just a random photo Yahoo used in a sign-up confirmation e-mail for their e-mail.

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it's only white males because white females get treatment cause they're female. That's the extreme summarization anyways.

Originally posted by Cythraul
Really? In that case I challenge you to point out who I'm racist towards using the things I've said in this thread. Who do I dislike based upon their ethnicity?

If the parallel between what you've said, ("Biologically, different races have different physical traits and thus it's not necessarily good for a black woman to give birth to a mixed child, or vice-versa.,")and the old racist miscegenation laws is not already obvious to you, then I doubt I'll be able to explain it to you.

By definition, different races evolved in geographical separation. Physical traits differ between different races and whilst it might be common for mixed children to be born healthy, the process is less natural than homogeneous procreation.

Health wise for the offspring, the greater the genetic variation between the parents the better. Women are even able to subconsciously detect, through pheromones, which men have genes the most different to their own, and tend to find these more attractive. We have evolved this way because greater chromosomal mixing produces more viable offspring.

Research done on human females shows that they too prefer men whose MHC genes are the least similar to their own (Richardson 1996). In an experiment, men were given an unscented T-shirt and were asked to wear it for two nights in a row. During this time they were not to use deodorants or scented soaps. Women were then presented with six shirts - three from men with similar MHC genes, and three from men with different MHC genes from their own. The results showed that the women preferred the scents of men whose MHC genes were different from their own.

Besides, if you read my post, I stated another reason why prejudice is irrelevant when it comes to the benefits of homogeneity - culture! But then you may be one of those people who doesn't see culture as an important teaching-tool. Mixed race children suffer from identity crisis, and in my experience they often find it difficult to get a firm footing. Prejudice doesn't come into it. Those are real, practical observations.

Who are you to judge what is best for other people's children?
I seem to recall one guy with parents about as dissimilar as they come, who was recently voted in as President of the United States.

Yes, being the product of more than one culture might cause an identity crisis for some, but it can also give the child the richness of having two cultures. Kids can go through identity crises for all sorts of reasons, and the most important thing is that they have a stable, supportive, loving family to see them through.

Are you aware of how little variation there is between what we commonly refer to as races?

99.9% of our DNA is the same for everyone.
Only 0.1% varies between individuals.

When you compare the DNA between individuals in a homogenous group, you find 85-90% of that 0.1% of potentially variable DNA is different.

When you compare the DNA between individuals of different "races", you find an extra ~10% of that 0.1% of potentially variable DNA is different.

So you see there is very little difference between us at all, yet so much hoo-ha is made over that itsy bit of variation. And what small variation there is benefits us all when it's intermingled.
Nature

Milk coffee, anyone?