What? Jarheads getting all fired up and wanting to go on a destructive war path? Never.

Sarcasm over. This is what we train these people to be like. Has anyone ever met a marine or army person. Get them into the field of combat and they cream their jeans. No offense to anyone in the military....you guys ARE the real heros.

WHy would they raise an army that can be easily defeated by US forces when the Guerilla tactics they are using are working so well?


Because that would prove the point that the majority of Iraqis oppose the US's prescence in Iraq. Without a great uprising it will always be a small, scared minority that are conducting the attacks.

Originally posted by Ocelot
Here is a website with links to many articles and pictures of Iraqui Civilian Deaths and casualties:


Please point out the ones that were actually caused by Coalition bombing, and not the ones caused by the insurgents.

I can't tell from the site.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Because that would prove the point that the majority of Iraqis oppose the US's prescence in Iraq. Without a great uprising it will always be a small, scared minority that are conducting the attacks.

Im sure there are many Iraquis that dont want to kill american soldiers. But I dont need any proof. The Continued attacks on US Forces are proof enough. And they will continue to go on..and on.. and on until the US withdraws from the region.

Im sure there are many Iraquis that dont want to kill american soldiers. But I dont need any proof. The Continued attacks on US Forces are proof enough. And they will continue to go on..and on.. and on until the US withdraws from the region.

They don't need to kill to make their point. If anything they would want to prevent further killing as way of showing that they are better than we are because they do not need to use violence.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
WHy would they raise an army that can be easily defeated by US forces when the Guerilla tactics they are using are working so well?

Because that would prove the point that the majority of Iraqis oppose the US's prescence in Iraq. Without a great uprising it will always be a small, scared minority that are conducting the attacks.

I was watching the news last night...nbc or cbs, anyway, they where interviewing alot of Iraqi people about this and more than not said "The Americans Deserved What They Got"....or "The Americans Deserved It, But Not In That Way". This to me proves that the majority of Iraqi people just want to be left alone.

It's not as easy as it seems to sneak out pictures and videos. one reason for this being, suppression and restriction of removing items over the border, if this does occur, it'll fall into the hands of allies eventually, and it's hard to target where these pictures via e-mail would go. I wouldn't exactly call these people savages, the reason being, the world only see's one side of the events. In other words, the losers aren't able to show the world what they have seen or go through. Does it make us feel stronger by calling these people savages? is it that as americans, we have an inferiority complex, and based on our technological advances, we're ultimately better and more civilized then these people? I think not. If the americans tortured the people there, I gurantee you the american public wouldn't know. They want to show these people as savages because they want to give you a reason to hate.

This is simplistic to call people of a different culture "savage." When you have an occupying force in your home plus a mercenary army along with that (Black Water), who've killed your family and destroyed your land, how are you supposed ot react? Docile?


I never called them as a people savage, just the ones that committd the act.

Where is the proof of all these crimes that Blackwater committed? Surely it should be easy to find proof that is not heresay.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
They don't need to kill to make their point. If anything they would want to prevent further killing as way of showing that they are better than we are because they do not need to use violence.

Put yourself in their shoes. If a foreign power invaded your country causing Death and destruction all around you and maybe killing people you know.. loved ones..etc...wouldn't you respond with hatred and violence?

Put yourself in their shoes. If a foreign power invaded your country causing Death and destruction all around you and maybe killing people you know.. loved ones..etc...wouldn't you respond with hatred and violence?

Why is it all the Dems on the site keep posting the same what if question?

Let's not forget that this is the same power who got rid of a dictator who ruled by fear and killed several hundred thousand people. If I were in their shoes I would be more concerned with the fact that more civilans have died at the hands of fellow Iraquis than from any other source.

There many many more sites with articles and news.. Ill see if I can dig up some more.

Once again, where is the proof that this were caused by coalition bombings and not by the insurgents with the random bombings?

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Why is it all the Dems on the site keep posting the same what if question?

Let's not forget that this is the same power who got rid of a dictator who ruled by fear and killed several hundred thousand people. If I were in their shoes I would be more concerned with the fact that more civilans have died at the hands of fellow Iraquis than from any other source.

#1 Im not a dem, rep, or anything. Im just me.
#2 You didnt answer the question. Would you be driven to kill if an invading power killed people you know? Im guessing some people would pick up arms and fight back.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
There many many more sites with articles and news.. Ill see if I can dig up some more.

Once again, where is the proof that this were caused by coalition bombings and not by the insurgents with the random bombings?


Let's just be safe and consider them equally responsible, half and half!

You seem to be under the false impression that AMERICANS are not killing INNOCENT civilians. If that's the case then you are SADLY mistaken! Why not take some responsibility?

Quit bull#tin' around and face the hard truth. War is hell.

Originally posted by Bangin
Let's just be safe and consider them equally responsible, half and half!

You seem to be under the false impression that AMERICANS are not killing INNOCENT civilians. If that's the case then you are SADLY mistaken! Why not take some responsibility?

Quit bull#tin' around and face the hard truth. War is hell.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I was going to reply but you summed it up quite nicely.

#1 Im not a dem, rep, or anything. Im just me.
#2 You didnt answer the question. Would you be driven to kill if an invading power killed people you know? Im guessing some people would pick up arms and fight back.

1. Made the assumption based on your anti-Republican stance.
2. Of course people are going to fight back, that is why you have to win the people over after the fighting is over. It is human nature to resist change.

As for me, I could not really answer that question unless I were in that situation and had concrete proof.

You seem to be under the false impression that AMERICANS are not killing INNOCENT civilians. If that's the case then you are SADLY mistaken! Why not take some responsibility?

Quit bull#tin' around and face the hard truth. War is hell.


I never said that we are not killing them, I said that we were not deliberately attacking them. Civilian casualties are a fact of war, no one can deny that.

I have issue with people making the false claims that the US goes out of its way to attack innocent civilians.