hrm... Either you're starting another "hate obama" thread, or I'm thinking you might be doing it wrong...

If you want to look into propaganda, you need to look closer...

the modern methods employed in politics are much more subtle.

However, the way you posted your OP, is in fact propaganda itself...

think about it...

I'm thinking, perhaps the site you linked might have certain agendas

I'm also thinking you might have certain agendas.

If you do fine, but please explain them.

The evidence of this desecration of the flag is kinda weak.

Krygyzstan??????? yikes, now that's really grasping at straws.

I do believe in Illuminati symbolism but Kyrgysztan? Please...

Hateful negativity like this is the reason why the GOP keeps losing.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Obama Desecrates the Great Seal of the United States

It's all in the symbols!

Obama's Great Seal features a bald eagle in panicky flight, racing off screen. The image is off-kilter, chaotic and in motion.

Hmm, an eagle in motion? Rather than this fixed, immutable, inflexible bird of prey who won't budge or refuses to move as the world around it moves?

The U.S. eagle faces forward. Obama's eagle faces backwards, turning away from the viewer in its hasty retreat.

Or maybe a leader looking of their shoulder at those that follow?

The U.S. eagle clutches an olive branch in one talon and a set of arrows in the other. It turns towards the olive branch, signifying America's preference for peace but readiness for war.

Obama's eagle drops the olive branch, whose leaves scatter as it flies away. Only one arrow remains. It pierces the center of the eagle's shield.

Is there two versions of this, or have the writers of this article got x-ray eyes. How can they see behind the circle with the sun and the landscape to know the eagle has dropped the olive branch?

The U.S. Seal features a shield emblazoned in the eagle's center, symbolizing the American flag.

Obama's flag shield is off-balance, tilting beneath the retreating eagle. The flag shield is no longer the dominant visual motif. It has been superseded by the Obama logo of the rising sun.

Whilst I can understand Americans being 'concerned' about the lack of focus on a piece of cloth, but surely the rising sun of a new day is a pretty positive thing isn't it? People wanted that new day and the change that is said to have come with it.

The overall visual effect of the Great Seal of the United States is one of power, confidence and a nation at ease with its own identity.

The overall effect of Obama's Great Seal is of confusion, disarray, and a New World Order arising from Obama's ascending sun. The tilted lines of the shield subtly suggest the famous images of the steel girder ruins of the World Trade Center. It is as if Obama's sun is rising over the wreckage, heralding the flight of the American eagle and a new era of radical upheaval.

I don't actually like the new design for quite a few of the aesthetic reasons touched on. It smacks to me as more of a 'portfolio piece' than some kind of working brief. I think it actually says more about Adobe's products than the American government.

A new, post-Communist, flag was not adopted until 1992. It is red, with a circular stylized representation of the roof of a Kyrgyz yurt (tent) in the centre, surrounded by the 40 rays of a golden sun. (Tradition has it that 40 tribes were united by the national hero Manas - who used the colour red on his banner - into the Kyrgyz nation.)

If the red flag represents a post-Communist nation, does the blue seal represent pre-Communism?

This particular point is one of the most desperate things I've read on this board in years.

What in the name of Lord Krondar does "pre-communism" mean? That which happened before communism? Lots of things happened before communism in lots of places but did that mean communism came to be in all of them? It looks like you're desperate to make that connection with communism but the evidence you're using doesn't actually quite fit so you're just trying to hammer the point with anything you can think of. If you want to look at pre-communism, then lets look at the area known as Kyrgyzstan - after all, it's the one you're trying to shoehorn into this. What was their flag before communism? Surely that would make for a better comparison.

Better still, let's look at their flag under communism.

Oh noes! Red white and blue? A star? Some stripes? Run for the hills!!!!1



It's ironic that you've picked the Kyrgyzstan flag as it's fairly obvious they've been basing their own flags on America for a while.





[edit on 25-11-2008 by Merriman Weir]

Throw me a freakin' bone here people, this is a conspiracy site.

What?
Are conspiracies dead now that Obama has gotten elected?
.. are we now picking and choosing what gets to be a conspiracy?

I am well aware the eagle appears in many forms on the seals and flags of many other countries.
Why?
I don't know.
Illuminati perhaps but my point is our current Presidential seal is, to a certain degree, somewhat sacred.
So why change it?

des e crate [des-i-kreyt]

–verb (used with object), -crat ed, -crat ing.
1. to divest of sacred or hallowed character or office.
2. to divert from a sacred to a profane use or purpose.
3. to treat with sacrilege; profane.

This is a thread I had been planning on starting since before the election, but wasn't able to.

It is not meant to be "another hate Obama thread", I am just getting it out there.
Why you ask? ... because, unlike the many disrespectful Liberals here, I definitely don't plan on bashing our President while he is in office.

It's not "hate", it's more like "beware" and I'm just kinda getting it out of my system before he becomes President.
Sure, I know I have every right to criticize my Prez, but that right especially is one that you will surely lose, the more you abuse.

I am just pointing out the similarities between the two symbols from a standpoint that perhaps his mantra of "change" may be more, or completely different, than we might be expecting.

Sure people are so-o-o-o giddy and welcoming "change from George", but think about what that means.

Let me put on my Jerry Seinfeld hat and ask...

What is change from George?
What type of Change and which George is he referring to?
Could it be George Washington?
Will he turn my buck into change?
...

You know Obama's flag has to have 57 stars so I would call that a fake. LOL

This is an excellent thread.. the insanity is off the chart.

If you actually think that those two flags bear any real resemblance other than the fact that they are both two dimensional, you might want to start thinking about signing yourself into a home.



[edit on 25/11/08 by Dermo]

Not too much of a stretch of the imagination since his election offices had Che Guevera flags up. The fact that he is a socialist is obvious, now to be ballsy enough to change the seal....bad move.

Originally posted by shai hulud
Not too much of a stretch of the imagination since his election offices had Che Guevera flags up. The fact that he is a socialist is obvious, now to be ballsy enough to change the seal....bad move.

They did?
Would you happen to have any photos or references to prove that claim?

The symbolism here is really worrying.

Firstly, the colour blue.
What is blue symbolic of?
The sky. The sky is blue.
Say "the sky" fast enough and it sounds like "this guy".
So now we have the subliminal message, "this guy is blue".

Who else is blue?
Those who have studied the faiths of the East know the blue skinned God of Hinduism as Krishna, the divine prankster of Hindu tradition, affectionately known as "The Butter Thief".
Is this where Obama gets his beauty, wisdom and charisma?
Is he telling us he is the current avatar of Krishna?
Will his Brahmin cows have the run of the White House, supplying him with the golden butter so loved by the Krishna of old?

If so he will soon be telling Ahmadinejad that he must not eat those annoying children of Israel, but may keep hissing to keep them in line, and believers will start carrying water in collanders!

The symbolism of the circle is also easily recognised.
What is the one thing in this world that is easily recognised?
The wheel!
And what has wheels?
Buses!
And what are buses famous for?
Rosa Parks, the woman who refused to go to the back of the bus!
Now stage 2 of The Programme is about to be set in motion.
It is time for whiteys to sit down the back!

You would have been better off starting a conspiricy about Obama starting The Office Of the President Elect.

Seeing as how there is no such thing and he gave a press conferance behind a podium with that posted on the front.

You wouldn't have had to try so hard then.

I just gotta say, do not worry, he is only desecrating another country´s flag since according to a lot more propaganda thread on this board claims he is born Kenya and then ofcourse is muslim also according to same or alike threads.

***back to serious***

Come on, stop the bashing and be proud of you got a man elected who actually want something good for your country contrast to your ptb screwing everything up for you wonderful people over there, on behalf of their investments in weapon production, oil and paramilitary groups in foreign countries.

Best regards.

Loke.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Loke.]