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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:35 PM by LowLevelMason
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Frankly, I don't care what religion any President is. But if you are going to claim to be a Christian in order to get their votes, you need to be one. Don't fake it for political gain.


You have to go to church to be a believer? OK, here's one:

Islamic Republic of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad left a press conference near noon time in Istanbul Friday to attend Turkish historic city's Friday prayer rituals at Sultan Ahmad Mosque.


www2.irna.ir...

You want to trade leaders?


Nice attempt to completely take things out of context.

Obama obviously thinks its important to go to church - or so he projected - because he made a big deal out of pointing out his attendance during his campaign. So much so that it backfired due to Rev. Wright. To attend services religiously, pardon the pun, and then stop going as soon as you win, strongly suggests it was merely a political ploy.

Personally, I also don't care what the religion of any government leader is. But if he chooses to make it a issue and goes through public displays religion, I expect him to be consistent and honest about it.

Of course in reality it was all just a campaign ploy to get black church voters. You have to act Christian to win national elections in the US, even if you are not. Its not unusual really, but just another sign that this isn't the "change" we can believe in.

Obama's faithful followers can try to dismiss every story about him that comes up, but its not going to work.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:40 PM by intrepid
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Frankly, I don't care what religion any President is. But if you are going to claim to be a Christian in order to get their votes, you need to be one. Don't fake it for political gain.


You have to go to church to be a believer? OK, here's one:

Islamic Republic of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad left a press conference near noon time in Istanbul Friday to attend Turkish historic city's Friday prayer rituals at Sultan Ahmad Mosque.


www2.irna.ir...

You want to trade leaders?


Nice attempt to completely take things out of context.


Not out of context at all. Reread my post. How is he faking it? How do you know?

Of course in reality it was all just a campaign ploy to get black church voters. You have to act Christian to win national elections in the US, even if you are not. Its not unusual really, but just another sign that this isn't the "change" we can believe in.


OR, don't claim something because YOU have an agenda. I see no "change" here at ATS as well.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:50 PM by davion
reply to post by nyk537


Evangelicals voting for Obama?

Yes I'm sure the all three of them are steaming at this news.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:53 PM by LowLevelMason
reply to post by intrepid


Read it again. Your agenda is so obvious its laughable.

I never proclaimed I cared at all what Obama's religion is. I do care that the President of the Untied States is honest and consistent. If he CHOOSES to make his religious views public and use it on the campaign trail, as he has, then I DO expect him to remain honest about whatever it is he may believe.


COLUMBIA, South Carolina (CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama, who has been emphasizing his faith as a way to reach out to black voters in South Carolina attended two Baptist churches here on Sunday morning, one predominantly black and one predominantly white. Obama attended both services, but did not speak.
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Obama's staff in South Carolina is in the midst of a grassroots effort called "40 Days of Faith and Family," which is promoting the candidate's faith through Bible study groups, house meetings and Gospel concerts across the state.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Obama took the stage and launched into a riff about his Kenyan father, his Kansan mother and the name few knew how to pronounce. He dropped in references to his Harvard education, his attendance at church and his two young girls.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Obviously Obama believes attending church is important for his faith and family, else he wouldn't do this and his staff would not promote it as such.

So yes, it is extremely indicative that this is not CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN when he drops it as soon as he wins the election.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 04:18 PM by LowLevelMason
reply to post by intrepid


Sigh.

1) Obama has used his religious views as a campaign tactic to get votes by making his faith part of the campaign.
2) Part of those religious views is his personal professions belief that attending church is important for him, which has also be advocated by his campaign staff.
3) While campaigning, Obama was a devoted church attendee because of point 2.
4) As soon as he wins, mystically its no longer a big deal and he would prefer to go to the gym.

Follow the logic.

If Obama hadn't made his religious views part of the campaign then it would not matter at all.

You call it sour grapes, I call what your doing kool-aid drinking. If you agree its a campaign ploy, then why do you continue to argue otherwise?

[edit on 24-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 04:28 PM by bdswetty
reply to post by nyk537


Presidency obligations vs religious preferences

Apples vs oranges

Church is not always the optimal place for a person to come closer to GOD.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 04:34 PM by LowLevelMason
reply to post by intrepid


I've done quite a bit. You have a overt bias - and it would be embracing ignorance to think that non US citizens can not have a political bias for US political candidates.

This is a clear case of it. This is a salient political issue for those of us who want our political leaders to be honest if they choose to share their personal views in order to get campaign votes. If it is not an issue for you, then that's great.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 04:45 PM by LowLevelMason
reply to post by intrepid


Token support in order to give the illusion of being neutral is always a way to get the less intelligent among us to believe you - I don't fall for it. You are in just about every Obama thread - across different forums, too, screaming that any critique of Obama is sour grapes and how dare anyone question the man. In fact, in another thread you called the entire board childish because some posters thought selling plates and coins honoring Barack Obama was a bit premature. Thank god you don't moderate political forums. You became a topic when you go around claiming that this is simply "sour grapes." You don't get to make such sweeping generalizations without being called out on your bias.

The argument that "well you'll never be happy" doesn't really work, either. As a voter certain things are important to me, and other things are not. Its not really up to you to tell me that you disapprove of my standards for what I look for in a political candidate. There are plenty of candidates - Democrats and Republicans - who are capable of being honest about their personal views or simply choosing not to share them. Obama is not one of them. If thats OK with you, yippie for you. Its not OK with me, and your opinion about my views just really could not matter less.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:00 PM by intrepid
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Token support in order to give the illusion of being neutral is always a way to get the less intelligent among us to believe you - I don't fall for it. You are in just about every Obama thread - across different forums, too, screaming that any critique of Obama is sour grapes and how dare anyone question the man.


OK, so I'm the topic now. No prob. I guess you missed my post in the Palin turkey thread questioning the validity in that one. You either need to unplug for a bit, be more subjective or come down off of your high horse and see things as they are, not as you would have them.

Thank god you don't moderate political forums.


I moderate ALL the forums. Same as any other Super.

You became a topic when you go around claiming that this is simply "sour grapes." You don't get to make such sweeping generalizations without being called out on your bias.


Apperently so, that's why I'm going to take this one post, that's off topic imo, to answer this so we don't have to go through this again.

There are plenty of candidates - Democrats and Republicans - who are capable of being honest about their personal views or simply choosing not to share them. Obama is not one of them.


No, my post was that you would have to walk a mile of glass to find a politician that's honest.

If thats OK with you, yippie for you. Its not OK with me, and your opinion about my views just really could not matter less.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]


No, it's not OK with me, it's reality. For someone that doesn't care for my opinion you really are spending a lot of time trying to decry them.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:54 PM by marg6043
reply to post by LowLevelMason


Where were you when another political figure that won the elections in 2004 thanks to the fundamentalist vote did the same thing.

I forgot, we are bashing Obama this time for his religious obligations to those that gave him the vote.

Hey write your disappointment to congress and when Obama is in the white house you can send him and E-mail demanding an explanation.
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