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Open letter: This demonstrates that the Maya understood the
region of the Galactic Center as a source-point or birth place.
Stevan Davies: If the "birth canal" statement above is valid,
then it does demonstrate as you say it does... tautologically,
for the dark rift is the center of the galaxy. This, however,
makes it all the more important for you to show that the Galactic
Center was a "birth canal" in the minds of the ancient Maya.
JMJ: The dark-rift POINTS TO the center of the galaxy. I’ve shown
that the Galactic Center region of the sky was understood by
ancient Mesoamerican thinkers as a birthplace, through the
identification of the nearby dark-rift as a birthplace. The other
factor in my open letter is the crossroads, providing another
complex of symbols that indicate "center," supporting my thesis
from an entirely separate direction. One set of evidence might be
dismissed as coincidence. But two?
Open letter: The cross formed by the Milky Way with the ecliptic
near Sagittarius has been identified at Palenque and elsewhere as
the Mayan Sacred Tree." Etc.
Stevan Davies: That appears to be the case. But I don't think a
great many people have found that that identification has been
cogently and convincingly argued to the point that one can say it
is established. Rather, I think one can only say that the
identification has been suggested.
Originally posted by blowfishdl
reply to post by Harman
Thank you for providing the dark rift theory this is one I am yet to dabble in. It was my intentions to debunk Nibiru and the massive death of mankind to ease fear mongering surrounding the subject. Especially with the growing amount of "evidence" posted on YouTube and sites alike.
Space is filled with dust. This has been known for a long time; you cen see it for yourself on a dark, cloudless night. Look for the Milky Way, the faint patch of light that is actually the glow from all the stars in our Galaxy. From a very dark site, you can see that the glow isn't smooth; it is broken up by irregular dark patches. In the constellation Cygnus, high in the summer for the northern hemisphere, there is actually a long dark streak through the Milky Way, called the Dark Rift. You southern folks can see a dark patch appropriately called the Coal Sack. Photographs show these even better.
Perhaps the most famous case is the Horsehead nebula, located in the constellation of Orion. There, the black patch looks eerily like a giant chesspiece, silhouetted against the red veil of glowing gas behind it.
What you are seeing in all these examples is dark material blocking the light from stars and gas behind it. The composition of the material itself remained a mystery for a long time. Now we know what it is: to quote Drs. Paul May and David Field (astronomers who study dust), dust is comprised of ``mainly of silica (SiO2), magnesium and iron silicates (e.g. olivine, orthopyroxine, forsterite), amorphous carbon or water ice''.
What that means is that the dust is a complex collection of different types of materials, most of which is actually rather common here on Earth. The particles of dust are not little spheres, though, they form long chains and clumps. ``Long'' is a relative term, of course; most of these clumps are a millionth of a meter or so across! But there's a lot of them.
The light year is a measure of distance. Light travels 186,282 miles in one second. A light year is the distance that light travels in one year, or 5,880,000,000,000 miles.
# All the stars that we can see at night are part of our own Milky Way Galaxy.
# Our Milky Way Galaxy contains as many as 300 billion stars. The average galaxy is thought to contain around 100 billion stars.
# Like other spiral galaxies we can view from space, the Milky Way Galaxy is disk-shaped spiral with a central bulge. The diameter of the disk is approximately 100,000 light years; the central bulge is about 16,000 light years.
# Our solar system is located on a spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy, about two thirds of the way out from the center.
# Nonluminous matter (dust, etc.) creates bands or dark lanes that obscure starlight; these dark rifts can be seen from very dark locations with the naked eye.
# The center of the Milky Way is surrounded by a spherical halo of about 150 globular clusters. A globular cluster is a densely packed ball of stars containing hundreds of thousands or even millions of stars. The stars of globular clusters are low in metals and were thus formed when the Galaxy was young and less highly evolved.
# The central region of the Galaxy contains old stars and little in the way of dust and gas; the disk of the galaxy contains gas, dust, younger stars with more complex chemical compositions, and active regions of star formation like the Orion nebula.
# 90% of the matter in the universe is nonluminous. Our Galaxy is centered in a halo of nonluminous dark matter that may be ten times larger than the visible portion of the spiral disk.
# It takes our Sun about 200 million years to complete one orbit of the center of the Milky Way.
# The nearest star to our Sun is Alpha Centauri at a distance of 4 light years or 25 trillion miles.
#Dark lanes can frequently be seen in distant, edge-on galaxies, as in the case of NGC891 below
Solar System Sails Sideways Through Milky Way
Our solar system is hurtling through space while angled nearly perpendicular to the plane of the Milky Way, new computer models suggest.
"It's almost like we're sailing through the galaxy sideways," said study team leader Merav Opher, an astrophysicist at George Mason University in Virginia.
The findings, detailed in the May 11 issue of the journal Science, suggest the magnetic field in the galactic environment surrounding our solar system is pitched at a sharp angle and not oriented parallel to the plane of the Milky Way as previously thought.
Originally posted by borachon
i was trying to start a thread but maybe I'll just ad to this one.
I'm relatively new here and consider myself open-minded (although 95% of users on here would probably call me a skeptic). I've been reading ATS threads for the past 2 weeks and I'm wondering why so many people believe that so many completely random and seemingly unrelated events are going to happen on the year 2012. Why, keeping the Mayan calender (or any other civilizations/societys date/cycle) completely out of it, do so many people on here believe that everything from a paper cut to communists taking over to the planet exploding is going to happen to fall on the year 2012? Are there any reasons?
The long count that is supposed to be the end of the world is 13.0.0.0.0. The day before is 12.19.19.17.19. The main significance of 13.0.0.0.0 is of course the number of zeroes.
Originally posted by TSOM87
It's just playing out like Y2K, the worlds going to end, Aliens are going to show them selfs, we are moving on to level 2(lol), ect. Mean while people are making lots of money off the back of it!
If nothing happens on the date of 2012, put your money on it that they will be a new date!
IMHO!