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Is There a US Government OFFICIAL STORY For 9-11?

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posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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Of course there is. Except for its organized faithful defenders who deny deny deny and then deny some more; just about every person in the entire world knows there is an OFFICIAL STORY for the 9-11 INSIDE JOB Attack on America. The OFFICIAL STORY was promoted right on the morning of 9-11 live on the boob tube by the multitude of treacherous and never again to be trusted Mainstream News Media insiders and shills. The government OFFICIAL STORY also came from such "official" sources as:

1. Insider Jerome Hauer who was live on CBS with Dan Rather in the morning during the INSIDE JOB 9-11 Attack on America, presented to the gullible American people the OFFICIAL STORY SCRIPT long before in reality it would be possible to actually have collected the information presented. ( here )

2. Insider Condoleeza Rice presenting the OFFICIAL STORY LIE that nobody had heard before that aircraft might be used against buildings as weapons. NORAD was practicing just such a scenario right on the morning of 9-11 and Condolezza and the other traitors in the White House would have been notified of such military ops since Dubya was the CIC and at least three of the four E-4B National Airborne Operations Centers were to be used and removed from the needs of the pResident in defending the nation. Of course pResident Dubya was hiding out behind small schoolchildren in Florida and NOT defending the nation; so an E-4B would not be necessary for him. Communications; Secret Service agents; fighter jets; US Marines; Nuclear codes; everything was totally unnecessary to pResident Dubya. All he needed was a child's book; MY PET GOAT. That was the important issue on the morning of 9-11; oh yeah, and photo op after photo op after photo op after photo op while America was under attack.

3. Insider George Dubya Bush who saw the 1st plane hit the North Tower, even though there was not supposed to be any camera footage until much later. Of course Dubya had a live feed into his limousine so he could watch the OFFICIAL STORY take place as scripted, rub his hands in glee, and get his jollies. Then he could slither into the school classroom and smirk at the children and do absolutely NOTHING. How many Secret Service agents also watched the alleged Flight 11 hit the North Tower and got a sick feeling in their stomachs? Treason can be a bitter pill and once you are suckered in; there is no easy escape. Of course all of Dubya's cabinet and aides would have foreknowledge; but were some of them secretly not traitors and are they just aching to speak out?

4. Harley Davidson Dude presenting his memorized OFFICIAL STORY SCRIPT on the morning of 9-11 to millions of boob tube addicted Americans. ( here )

5. The Pentagon Building Performance Report OFFICIAL STORY EXPLANATION presented to us by insider Military Industrial Complex agencies the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Structural Engineering Institute. ( here ) Of course the vast majority of structural engineers and building professionals remain silent on 9-11 as opening their mouths and giving their expert opinions would likely be a career destroying decision, if not much much worse. Most people understand quite well what a cornered corrupt government can do with political hit squads such as the FBI and the CIA and the Secret Service at their command.

6. Yes the TRUTH has no place in the OFFICIAL STORY does it, with numerous layers of the OFFICIAL STORY being rewritten quite often, while the official assumption was that the American people were just too stupid and lazy to figure it out? The OFFICIAL STORY is as full of holes as that bucket poor jthomas is bailing out his sinking OFFICIAL STORY boat with.

7. The OFFICIAL STORY pushers and OFFICIAL STORY deniers and OFFICIAL STORY faithful believers think they are fooling everybody with these rehashed videos which many of us have seen before. But millions of Americans and many more millions of people worldwide see through their lies and fabrications and the numbers of awakened people are growing daily. Even the Japanes Parliament has figured it out.

Councilor Yukihisa Fujita describes the US government OFFICIAL STORY to the Japanese Parliament National Diet January 10, 2008. (part 1 of 8)






[edit on 11/24/08 by SPreston]



posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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LOL!

I love how you argue in circles, SPreston.


So here the 9/11 Truth Movement has been trying to prove for seven whole years that the Government was involved with 9/11 and you start out with the premise that the Government was involved with 9/11!

According to you all, 9/11 was an inside job because 9/11 was an inside job.

And not only that, you believe that every innocent eyewitness -- thousands -- of them, every rescuer, policeman, fireman, kids, the whole lot, are all part of the "official conspiracy!"



BEGGING-THE-QUESTION-FALLACIES
"It is not uncommon to encounter an argument that smuggles the arguer's position on the claim at issue into wording of one of the premises. Such an argument may be said to beg the question."

- T.Edward Damer, "Attacking Faulty reasoning" - ISBN 0-534-21750-8




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posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Is that the best you can do jthomas? Is your bailing bucket so full of holes now that you are flailing around with your arms in the air wildly screeching for help as your OFFICIAL STORY boat sinks helplessly into the deep?

You did not address anything in my OP did you? Where did I state that "every innocent eyewitness -- thousands -- of them, every rescuer, policeman, fireman, kids, the whole lot, are all part of the "official conspiracy!""? Are you making things up again?

This thread is about the US government 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY which you have been desperately defending on just about every thread with the same weak ridiculous posts over and over and over ad infinitum ad nauseum. You need to develope a new defense jthomas or your masters are going to be all over you.



posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by SPreston

You did not address anything in my OP did you? Where did I state that "every innocent eyewitness -- thousands -- of them, every rescuer, policeman, fireman, kids, the whole lot, are all part of the "official conspiracy!""? Are you making things up again?


I think it's idiotic to evade the implications of your very own claims, SPreston. Don't you even think before you write?

Why you even confirmed that innocent victims of 9/11 were part of the "official conspiracy."


"I would imagine that the AA and UA employees are quite ashamed of the roles their employers played in 9-11 and the subsequent lying and deceiving of the American people."
- SPreston


And you wonder why your 9/11 Denial Movement is dying from it's own contradictions and inability to think logically?




posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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Great thread and great points!!

This should not be allowed to rest until the truth is finally out and the criminals brought to justice.

The effects of 911 are worldwide. We have increased security, invasion of privacy and torture centres. A nation being killed and robbed. Innocent people fighting a war against so called terrorists when they are really only nationalists.

911 was instrumented by the current adminstration and their croonies.

War is business and business is good!!


Hang them all one by one!!



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 02:52 AM
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Yet another great thread. I keep coming back here because its people like you that post.

I love that video of 'harley davidson' dude. He's a classic
Its great we had experts on the ground on 9/11. Makes you wonder why we even needed NIST..

Nice to see you name names. Condoleeza Rice knows what really happened on 9/11, as does Cheney & Rumsfeld. Lets never forget their names. Bush knew something was up but in my opinion he was too docile to be involved. Its my view he simply rubber stamped the operation, whatever it was.

Star & flag.



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 07:18 AM
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posted by SPreston
You did not address anything in my OP did you? Where did I state that "every innocent eyewitness -- thousands -- of them, every rescuer, policeman, fireman, kids, the whole lot, are all part of the "official conspiracy!""? Are you making things up again?


posted by jthomas
Why you even confirmed that innocent victims of 9/11 were part of the "official conspiracy."


posted by SPreston
"I would imagine that the AA and UA employees are quite ashamed of the roles their employers played in 9-11 and the subsequent lying and deceiving of the American people."


posted by jthomas
And you wonder why your 9/11 Denial Movement is dying from it's own contradictions and inability to think logically?

Employers jthomas. Not the regular employees who do not make the decisions. The big bonus greedy corporate honchos at the top who make all the decisions. Insiders in the International Corporate Utopia of the New World Order where profit is god and THE ENDS ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS and the dream is ENDLESS WARS FOR ENDLESS PROFITS. People are just disposable assets, especially the cannon fodder who fight their bloody wars and fill the body bags and cause all the sorrow at home. You knew that didn't you jthomas?

These AA/UA regular employees could likely guess at the government OFFICIAL STORY of 9-11 just from what they knew their employers were doing. These regular employees would know there was way too much fuel in those OFFICIAL STORY tower impacting aircraft for a regular flight. You know the OFFICIAL STORY; that wacky fantasy tale that you have been defending usually off-topic on just about every thread on half a dozen forums? Where do you find the time to defend the OFFICIAL STORY 24 hours a day jthomas? Don't you work for a living; or are you working for a living 24 hours a day?

SHOCK & AWE



These regular employees would be well aware that their employers cooperated fully in faking the boarding of the 19 'hijackers' who never boarded and faking the four flight manifests.

SHOCK & AWE



These regular employees would be well aware that all four alleged AA/UA 'hijacked' aircraft were replaced with alternate aircraft prepared by the 9-11 planners and that two of the aircraft were fitted with extra fuel tanks for maximum Shock & Awe visual effects and so CIC Dubya could have exciting home videos of that terrible pilot from his limousine live feeds. Many of these regular employees would have access to all kinds of maintenance records, and hopefully one day the rewards of opening their mouths and displaying the records they copied will outweigh the dangers from their employers.

SHOCK & AWE



Of course now we know better, but the OFFICIAL STORY makes a wild claim that a 90 ton aircraft hit the Pentagon at 535 mph. This is not a jet fuel explosion. Even though the videos and still frames are obviously manufactured and faked, this fireball is the color of high explosive; not jet fuel. Besides April Gallup threw a wrench into the OFFICIAL STORY and testified NO JET FUEL and NO AIRCRAFT PARTS inside the Pentagon, and she oughta know since she and her baby boy were right at ground zero, and lived with no terrible burns.

SHOCK & AWE





This is the color of burning and exploding jet fuel below and above at the towers. Just how stupid do the OFFICIAL STORY propagandists think we Americans are?







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posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by SPreston

Employers jthomas. Not the regular employees who do not make the decisions.


American Airlines and United Airlines are the employers, As corporations, everyone, including management are employees.


The big bonus greedy corporate honchos at the top who make all the decisions.


That is your claim that you have to demonstrate. You haven't.


Insiders in the International Corporate Utopia of the New World Order where profit is god and THE ENDS ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS and the dream is ENDLESS WARS FOR ENDLESS PROFITS. People are just disposable assets, especially the cannon fodder who fight their bloody wars and fill the body bags and cause all the sorrow at home. You knew that didn't you jthomas?


It is not possible to "know" a claim you've provided no evidence for. You didn't think about that, SPrestion, did you?


These AA/UA regular employees could likely guess at the government OFFICIAL STORY of 9-11 just from what they knew their employers were doing.


A) You cannot claim to know what anybody "guessed." B) Your claim that there is an "official story" remains just a claim. It's what you want to believe, but was debunked seven years ago.

All you are doing is arguing in circles, asserting in the premises of your argument what you are asserting in the conclusions.


These regular employees would know there was way too much fuel in those OFFICIAL STORY tower impacting aircraft for a regular flight.


Ditto. You can neither claim to know what employees knew and neither can you claim there was too much fuel in the planes.


You know the OFFICIAL STORY; that wacky fantasy tale that you have been defending usually off-topic on just about every thread on half a dozen forums?


I don't defend anything that does not exist. You just claim it for the reason we all have known for years: the government has to be your suspect whether you can demonstrate it or not. Rather than demonstrate it with factual evidence, you just claim it as a given premise.

Sorry, rational people will not let you get away with fallacious reasoning.


Where do you find the time to defend the OFFICIAL STORY 24 hours a day jthomas?


There is just another example of your fallacious reasoning: a Red Herring based on circular reasoning.


These regular employees would be well aware that their employers cooperated fully in faking the boarding of the 19 'hijackers' who never boarded and faking the four flight manifests.


Your claims -- without a stitch of evidence -- have to get more complicated to patch together your house of cards.


These regular employees would be well aware that all four alleged AA/UA 'hijacked' aircraft were replaced with alternate aircraft prepared by the 9-11 planners and that two of the aircraft were fitted with extra fuel tanks for maximum Shock & Awe visual effects and so CIC Dubya could have exciting home videos of that terrible pilot from his limousine live feeds. Many of these regular employees would have access to all kinds of maintenance records, and hopefully one day the rewards of opening their mouths and displaying the records they copied will outweigh the dangers from their employers..


Yes, we know, you really and truly want us to believe your "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale" while accusing employees of AA and UA of being in a plot to murder their fellow employees.

So, in the end, your claims that any "official story" exists is trumped by the massive and overwhelming evidence from thousands of different sources and independent eyewitnesses, of which the government was not the source and had no control over to begin with.

You haven't even been able to demonstrate factually the the government is even a suspect.

Therein lies why your 9/11 Denial Movement is dying from its own illogical reasoning and contradictions.



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 09:14 AM
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Yes I agree. There is not much to the official story that would hold up in court. The FBI doesnt even have enough evidence to link Bin Laden to 911.


One has to wonder who were the real terrorists of 911 and are they paying people to come to conspiracy forums to help the terrorists get away with the crime? YES!

Are there terrorists among us? YES!

So much disinformation and blatant ignorance that its becomming so obvious that the 'trick' no longer works.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 25-11-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 10:42 AM
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posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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posted by Nonchalant
Yet another great thread. I keep coming back here because its people like you that post.

I love that video of 'harley davidson' dude. He's a classic
Its great we had experts on the ground on 9/11. Makes you wonder why we even needed NIST..

Nice to see you name names. Condoleeza Rice knows what really happened on 9/11, as does Cheney & Rumsfeld. Lets never forget their names. Bush knew something was up but in my opinion he was too docile to be involved. Its my view he simply rubber stamped the operation, whatever it was.

Star & flag.

Thank you. Truth, especially when it is being used to seek out justice for murdered brethren, has a special way of gladdening the heart.





THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command

a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?

THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS

6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?

7) Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives?

FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.
10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?
a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? www.chicagotribune.com...

www.911truth.org...


Were all of the 50 people involved in the alleged 9-11 attacks Israeli Mossad operatives, or was it just the alleged 19 hijackers who were Mossad or the alleged missing 10 still at large who were Mossad? What is the holdup? Seven years?



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posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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Yes, in our OFFICIAL STORY Usama bin Laden the alleged leader of al Qaeda (The Toilet) is always allowed to escape. Why is that? Why is so much crucial evidence always allowed to be destroyed or 'disappeared'? Why is that A-OK with OFFICIAL STORY believers and defenders?





THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?
a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent.
b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.
d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall
a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.
b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.
c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20) Pakistani Connection - Congressional Connection
a. The Pakistani intelligence agency ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and "al-Qaeda," allegedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "al-Qaeda.")
b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.
c. About 25 percent of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed. Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21) Unanswered Questions and the "Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission:
a. The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (the 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which the 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.
b. The membership and staff of the 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."
c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission''s request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn''t the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux
a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).
b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell''s) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

www.911truth.org...



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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In our 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY, can it be determined if 9-11 was carried out against the American people to save the Stock Market? Why was nobody punished nor publicly identified for illegal stock market put options during 9-11? Who could arrange that special treatment of the already filthy rich? Where is our justice?





THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

25) Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola''s faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22
a. Hush Money - Accepting victims'' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.
b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections
a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)
b. The issue of Ptech.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

GEOPOLITICS, TIMING AND POSSIBLE MOTIVES

29) "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush''s go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror"
9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution
a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions
9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars
a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?
b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?

HISTORY

38) "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.

www.911truth.org...





posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston
Of course there is.
5. The Pentagon Building Performance Report OFFICIAL STORY EXPLANATION presented to us by insider Military Industrial Complex agencies the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Structural Engineering Institute. ( here ) Of course the vast majority of structural engineers and building professionals remain silent on 9-11 as opening their mouths and giving their expert opinions would likely be a career destroying decision, if not much much worse. Most people understand quite well what a cornered corrupt government can do with political hit squads such as the FBI and the CIA and the Secret Service at their command.


Emphasis mine.

SPreston. Allow me to share some information with you. The following is a list of peer reviewed papers, and conferences pertaining to 911. Please note how many are NOT affiliated with the government.

"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C., JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.

"Dissecting the Collapses"
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

A suggested cause of the fire-induced collapse of the World Trade Towers. By: Quintiere, J.G.; di Marzo, M.; Becker, R.. Fire Safety Journal, Oct2002, Vol. 37 Issue 7, p707, 10p.

Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center.
By: Karim, Mohammed R.; Fatt, Michelle S. Hoo. Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Oct2005, Vol. 131 Issue 10, p1066-1072.

Could the world trade center have been modified to prevent its collapse?; Newland, D. E.; Cebon, D. Journal of Engineering Mechanics; 2002 Vol. 128 Issue 7, p795-800, 6p.

"Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers"
Clifton, Charles G., HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

How the airplane wing cut through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center;
Wierzbicki, T.; Teng, X. International Journal of Impact Engineering; 2003 Vol. 28, p601-625, 25p

Stability of the World Trade Center Twin Towers Structural Frame in Multiple Floor Fires.
By: Usmani, A. S.. Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Jun2005, Vol. 131 Issue 6, p654-657.

Structural Responses of World Trade Center under Aircraft Attacks.
Omika, Yukihiro.; Fukuzawa, Eiji.; Koshika, Norihide. Journal of Structural Engineering v. 131 no1 (January 2005) p. 6-15

The Structural Steel of the World Trade Center Towers.
Gayle, Frank W.; Banovic, Stephen W.; Foecke, Tim. Advanced Materials & Processes v. 162 no10 (October 2004) p. 37-9

WTC Findings Uphold Structural Design.
Post, Nadine M. ENR v. 253 no17 (November 1 2004) p. 10-11

"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations"
Monahan, B., Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.

Ming Wang, Peter Chang, James Quintiere, and Andre Marshall "Scale Modeling of the 96th Floor of World Trade Center Tower 1"
Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities Volume 21, Issue 6, pp. 414-421


Engineering Conference Papers

"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering" Marechaux, T.G. JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.

Abboud, N., M. Levy, D. Tennant, J. Mould, H. Levine, S. King, C. Ekwueme, A. Jain, G. Hart. (2003) Anatomy of a Disaster: A Structural Investigation of the World Trade Center Collapses. In: Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering. San Diego: American Society of Civil Engineers. pp 360-370

Beyler, C., D. White, M. Peatross, J. Trellis, S. Li, A. Luers, D. Hopkins. (2003) Analysis of the Thermal Exposure in the Impact Areas of the World Trade Center Terrorist Attacks. In: Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering. San Diego: American Society of Civil Engineers. pp 371-382

Thater, G. G.; Panariello, G. F.; Cuoco, D. A. (2003) World Trade Center Disaster: Damage/Debris Assessment In: Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering. San Diego: American Society of Civil Engineers. pp 383-392



Fire Protection and Fire Modeling Papers

How did the WTC towers collapse? A new theory; Usmani, A. S.; Chung, Y. C.; Torero, J. L. Fire Safety Journal; 2003 Vol. 38, p501-533, 33p.

Effect of insulation on the fire behaviour of steel floor trusses. Fire and Materials, 29:4, July/August 2005. pp. 181 - 194. Chang, Jeremy; Buchanan, Andrew H.; Moss, Peter J.

"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings" Brannigan, F.L. Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

"Construction and Collapse Factors" Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

Corbett, G.P. "Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster" Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

"Collapse Lessons" Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103

Burgess, I.W., 'Fire Resistance of Framed Buildings', Physics Education, 37 (5), (2002) pp390-399.

G. Flint, A.S. Usmani, S. Lamont, J. Torero and B. Lane, Effect of fire on composite long span truss floor systems, Journal of Constructional Steel Research 62 (4) (2006), pp. 303–315.

Fire Protection Conference Papers

"Coupled fire dynamics and thermal response of complex building structures" Proceedings of the Combustion Institute, Volume 30, Issue 2, January 2005, Pages 2255-2262 Kuldeep Prasad and Howard R. Baum

Choi, S.K., Burgess, I.W. and Plank, R.J., 'The Behaviour of Lightweight Composite Floor Trusses in Fire', ASCE Specialty Conference: Designing Structures for Fire, Baltimore, (Oct 2003) pp 24-32.

Jowsey et all, Determination of Fire Induced Collapse Mechanisms in Steel Framed Structures, 4th European Conference on Steel and Composite Structures, 10 June 05, 69-76

Usmani et all, Collapse scenarios of WTC 1 & 2 with extension to generic tall buildings, Oct-2006 Proceedings of the International Congress on Fire Safety in Tall Buildings

Related Papers

Interactive Failure of Two Impacting Beams Xiaoqing. Teng and Tomasz Wierzbicki. J. Engrg. Mech., Volume 129, Issue 8, pp. 918-926 (August 2003)

Use of High-Efficiency Energy Absorbing Device to Arrest Progressive Collapse of Tall Building Qing Zhou and T. X. Yu Journal of Engineering Mechanics 130, 1177 (2004)

A simple model of the World Trade Center fireball dynamics. Proceedings of the Combustion Institute 30:2, January, 2005. pp. 2247-2254. Baum, Howard R.; Rehm, Ronald G.

Reconnaissance and preliminary assessment of a damaged high-rise building near Ground Zero. The Structural Design of Tall and Special Buildings. 12 :5, 15 December 2003. pp. 371 - 391. Warn, Gordon; Berman, Jeffrey; Whittaker, Andrew; Bruneau, Michel

"Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center" Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A., The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48

John K. McGee et al, “Chemical Analysis of World Trade Center Fine Particulate Matter for Use in
Toxicologic Assessment”, Environmental Health Perspective (June 2003)

UC Davis Aerosol Study: Cahill et al., “Analysis of Aerosols from the World Trade Center
Collapse Site, New York, October 2 to October 30, 2001”, Aerosol Science and Technology,

Lioy et al, “Characterization of the Dust/Smoke Aerosol that Settled East of the World Trade Center
(WTC) in Lower Manhattan after the Collapse of the WTC 11 September 2001”, Environmental Health
Perspectives, Volume 110 #7




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posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston
Of course there is.
5. The Pentagon Building Performance Report OFFICIAL STORY EXPLANATION presented to us by insider Military Industrial Complex agencies the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Structural Engineering Institute.



The what? "The insider Military Industrial Complex agencies the American Society of Civil Engineers ".....

Do you know who authored the report?

Is Donald Dusenberry military?

Is James Harris military?

How about Mete Sozen?

SPreston... 3 of the 6 authors of the report are not affiliated with the government. Only one is affiliated with the military, Paul F. Mlakar, who was the Lead Technical Director and member of the U.S.Army Corps of Engineers.



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston

26) The Legal Catch-22
a. Hush Money - Accepting victims'' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.
b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).


Can you please list the names of the family members that refused payment from the victims compensation fund in order to pursue discovery? The very few that decided to forgo the amount from the victims compensation fund chose to sue the airlines, not the United States government.

Are you talking about Alvin Hellerstein? Do you know that Lawyers were looking to get upwards of 40% from lawsuits that were settled outside the victims compensation funds?

Read this editorial from the NYDaily News:

Judge Alvin Hellerstein does right by 9/11 families and rescue workers
www.nydailynews.com...



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Why does it show Sept 12, 2001 instead of Sept 11, 2001 on the Video from the Pentagon?



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by driveshaft08
Why does it show Sept 12, 2001 instead of Sept 11, 2001 on the Video from the Pentagon?



The NWO wasn't confident 9/11 Truthers would recognize the video was fake, so they changed the date to make it more obvious.



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by driveshaft08
Why does it show Sept 12, 2001 instead of Sept 11, 2001 on the Video from the Pentagon?



The NWO wasn't confident 9/11 Truthers would recognize the video was fake, so they changed the date to make it more obvious.


This is a prime example of why you are nothing but a troll jthomas. Instead of actually answering the question, you make snide and smart ass remarks. Don't bother responding to me as I will not respond to a troll.

Does any of the other OS believers want to answer the question? Or are we to think that our big bad military industrial complex is too stupid to set the right date on their security cameras?



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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Griff,

JThomas is only showing the relevance of the date stamp in this video. We know it means nothing. Perhaps you have something to add yourself. Instead of you calling people trolls, could you share your opinion as to why?

Now, if this was a fake video produced by the government, why would they leave such an obvious detail in it?

Oh, and while they are making a fake video (and taking three years to do so) why not doctor in an airplane, shutting up the no-planers.




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