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Aliens in the outback?


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Topic started on 24-11-2008 @ 04:32 AM by nationalmaverick


Hello

I'm a new reader here, really been churning through the back logs on the forums, foremost I am a skeptic, but with an open enough mind to accept that all of this can't be total coincedence, its just a matter of working out what really is.

Anyway this has just hit the news stands today here in Australia and reading between the lines, the Australia government has just admitted more or less the existence of Aliens in our nation.

Whether it was a miscommunication by the press or not is another story.

Although this article was posted on the 12th as far as I know its news as the tv networks have only just picked up on it.

www.news.com.au...


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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:02 AM by internos


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Hi, nationalmaverick, thanks for sharing and welcome to ATS:

The title of the article is extremely speculative, while its content clarifies it all, IMHO:

THE State Government has rejected claims the true reason for the closure of the Simpson Desert Conservation Park is "the presence of aliens".
But Environment Minister Jay Weatherill told Parliament yesterday that he could not entirely rule out the existence of aliens in the park".
Online forums are running hot with conspiracy theories of a Government cover-up after the Environment Department on Tuesday announced parts of the Simpson Desert will be closed from December 1 to March 15.

The official reason is "a risk assessment identified that extreme temperatures constitute a very high safety risk" to local businesses, tour operators and other people in the area.

But bloggers to one website, Adventure Rider, claimed "something smells very funny indeed".

One contributor to the online discussion board wrote: "Aliens I tell ya, aliens man. They have found them and don't want us to know about it. Just like Roswell. I tell ya man, it's a conspiracy."

However, Mr Weatherill told an amused Lower House of Parliament during Question Time yesterday that there had been no close contact with extra-terrestrials - as far as he knew.

"I wish to assure the House that, in fact, no aliens have been detected in the park. But I will qualify that," he said.
"This is Parliament, and it is important that I do not mislead the House. They (aliens) have not been detected, at least by officers of the Department of Environment and Heritage.
"When we made the decision to close the park, we did not even suspect that there were aliens in the park . . . of course, I cannot entirely rule out the existence of aliens in the park."
Clearly enjoying himself, and egged on by Premier Mike Rann who called out "first contact", Mr Weatherill said he has no plans at this stage to send "investigators to establish that there are no aliens in the park".

www.news.com.au...

the substance is that of course he can't rule out the presence of aliens in the desert park, as well as i can't rule out that Putin is a Reptilian shape-shifter, since i really can't prove the contrary: Jay Weatherill's tone sounds sarcastic to me The rest looks to be speculations based on claims made on a discussion forum, unless i'm missing something. I've checked the discussion in question and yet I don't know whether someone provided some corroborating evidence supporting the claim of some alien presence.
BTW, I find it strange that they quote comments from a discussion forum, i wonder what would they would be able to do if they'd come accross ATS
Here's an article about it, from Reuters

Desert park closed to stop summer deaths

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's harsh Simpson Desert conservation park will be closed during the southern hemisphere summer to prevent tourists dying in the outback, authorities said on Tuesday.

Temperatures in the Simpson Desert are forecast to reach 40 to 50 degrees Celsius (104-122 Fahrenheit) and authorities said it would be too dangerous for people to try and cross the desert.

The Simpson Desert Conservation Park and Regional Reserve, covering more than 3.6 million hectares (8.9 million acres) in the middle of Australia, will be closed from December 1 to March 15, said the South Australia state department for environment.

"During this period, dunes are soft and constantly changing shape, increasing the chance of vehicles becoming bogged and people becoming stranded. High temperatures also lead to an increased chance of vehicle failure," said Trevor Naismith.

The Simpson Desert has no official roads, just tracks which criss-cross some of the world's longest sand dunes.

(Reporting by Mchael Perry; Editing by David Fox)

www.reuters.com...
www.environment.sa.gov.au...
I think that sadly there's a weighty situation, and that the decision has some more mundane (and sad) explanation, but hey, i could be wrong.
Did you check the thread in the forum in question? Did you find anything interesting?
Thanks again for sharing

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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:17 AM by gordonwest


Kevin07, Australia's Prime Tourist is a Alien, he came from the planet: Uranus. Sorry Mod, what I said is a Australian Joke. Because Kevin07 is full of poo. What has this post got to do with this thread? "ALIENS"...Kevin07 is a Alien, he came from the planet Uranus.



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:29 AM by Chadwickus


Funny story, it does sound like it was said tongue in cheek.

Maybe the should close off the Tanami desert, lot's of sightings up that way



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:36 AM by munkey66


so they are closing a desert that hasn't taken a life for many many years, in fact in all my 42 years I have never heard of a death in the simpson desert from people becoming stranded.

Just one more nail in the coffin for freedom



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:55 AM by Gaderel


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I feel safer already. Indeed something fishy is going on, maybe some test shots from Harold Holt facility this summer.



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 07:02 AM by Anonymous ATS


As an Aussie this does come as quite a suprised. As far as I am concerned I have never in my whole entire life EVER heard of one of our deserts being closed. It is extremely strange since the temperatiures they quote are nothing out of the ordinary for that part of Australia and with Australia being one of the world's UFO hotspots this does have an air of suspicion over it. Unbeknown to much of the world, Australia has UFO sightings on a daily basis and it would not suprise me one iota if there is indeed a downed craft somewhere out in the desert. Its a massive place and many things can go unnoticed due to its isolation.



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 07:47 PM by nationalmaverick


It is pretty fishy, I know people who trek out there every year in the harshest of summers and they have no idea what the motivation could be.

In fact they and 20 others in their group have had to reroute their entire trip now, when contacting the authorities they were given one word answers and told no flexibility is possible even for very experienced bushmen.



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 10:55 PM by Shere Khaan


Meh. Apart from the excellent Kevin07 post I feel this has little to do with aliens. Unfortunately all this does is highlight the humour which politicians hold this subject.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 12:58 AM by Kryties


2 words: Pine Gap.


The reasoning behind closing the entire National Park/desert off seems a little too thin for me. Perhaps it could be some sort of secret military testing going on during those times, or perhaps something more sinister

Never before have I heard of the Simpson Desert being closed for the summer.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 01:21 AM by AussieNutter


I'll do some digging, I discharged from the Army in August - talk to some mates and see if they know what's going on up that way.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 01:34 AM by Chadwickus


I reckon the closure is probably more to keep out overseas tourists that underestimate the size of the desert. Think about it for a second, how would they police 176,500 square km's of desert? They can't...

Like I said, it's to keep the clueless out.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 01:45 AM by Steve B


I'm not buying this, how many more people are killed on our beaches during the summer then the simpson desert for chirst's sake ?!?. Those aren't closed! I realy can't remeber the last time I heard of someone becoming stranded and dieing in the simpson desert. I my opinion if the government is going way too far on this one if that is the 'real' reason.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 02:03 AM by Chadwickus


Seems they're making it known over in the UK:
The Guardian
Times online

Seems they plan on closing it every year, so unless these big scary aliens only turn up between December to March, I doubt there's much to it.
Even a 4wd tour operator avoids that area during summer.

Oh and to the Kevin Rudd bashers, if you had read properly you would find it was the South Australian department of environment and heritage that has closed the desert. NOT the Federal Government.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 02:20 AM by duffster


I did the Canning Stock route back in 98 and had a wonderful time and what a wonderful country we have, not that not many Aussies will ever see BUT any one with a brain would know you don't go to the desert when it's 40+

But what gets me why say from December 1 to March 15, Why not the end of march?

It should be from October to April

I don't think it's any thing to do with ufo's Just some pen pusher trying to save some one's life and save money



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 02:32 AM by Steve B


I don't think its the 'aliens' turning up, more like military testing.

But this really dosen't make any sense how many lives do they plan to save? This article outlines the causes of tourists deaths from 97-2000.
www.multilingual-matters.net...

As you can see by far and away the main cause of death was 'land transport accidents' followed by 'drowning'. Dehydration does not even have a section, but even if ALL the deaths in the 'other causes' section were idiots who killed themselves in the simpson desert it would still be a major minority of tourist deaths.

So I ask it again if the real reason is saving tourists lives then why not close the beaches, unless thats not the real reason.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 03:25 AM by Gaderel


Considering what this will do to tourist operators, suppliers and recreational equipment hire companies in the area over the Xmas holidays, without real statistics to back up the closure, the only other option that makes sense to me is a national security interest, IMO a desert makes for a good Live Fire test area. You dont need to close off en ENTIRE REGION of Australia for a crash retrieval, its remote enough that a crash retrieval team could be in and out with minimal detection.

I'd be watching for seismic events(impacts) from the area over this time of closure.



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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 04:03 AM by Chadwickus


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The problem with that theory is THIS place.

Joint Defence Facility Nurrungar (JDFN)

Located on the edge of Island Lagoon, approximately 15 km south of Woomera, South Australia was a facility operated jointly by the Australian Department of Defence and the United States Air Force from 1969 through 1999. Its official area of emphasis was space-based surveillance, in particular the early detection of missile launches and nuclear detonations using U.S. Defense Support Program satellites in geostationary orbits. The name Nurrungar derives from an aboriginal term meaning "listen".


One of the uses of this are?

Missile testing!



The Missile Park in the heart of Woomera Village showcases an amazing collection of peace and war time relics. This outdoor defence museum presents visitors and locals alike with an extraordinary display of rockets, missiles, aircraft and bombs that have been tested at the Range as well as a multitude of historical information. On display at Missile Park is a Canberra Bomber, Meteor Jet, Jindivik Target Jet and Black Arrow Rocket.




www.woomera.com.au...
en.wikipedia.org...





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reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 03:46 PM by Gaderel


If you want to test conventional weapons, theres more areas available than just Woomera. Port Wakefield also has a live fire range for example, almost 1/4 of South Australia is military land. Besides I dont think Nurrungar is even active anymore.

However, if you are testing a non conventional classified weapons system, perhaps one using high energy physics, perhaps a spaced based or the suspected one located at exmouth(Harold Holt), you are going to use Pine Gap for tracking it. Chances are your ground observers are going to be deployed from there also. Simpson is a perfect candidate due to its proximity, remoteness and location(Pine Gap sits directly under a trajectory between exmouth and simpson).

This also wouldnt be the first time something similar to this has been suspected to have occured. Bright Skies

As you said though, this is only a theory. Politicians may just be this stupid to think they are performing public service. Just as likely, my ass may grow wings and fly around the room.

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reply posted on 26-11-2008 @ 07:43 PM by munkey66


with global warming we may find that all of Australia gets closed off in summer due to the heat.




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