If you really love me you'd read this.

If you really love me you'd read this.

Your mother, father, sisters, brother, aunts, uncles, cousins, all relatives, friends and yes even enemies. If asked this question, what do you think the common answer would be?

Let's start from the beginning.

I have information that proves that the earths population is being sprayed with various substances that should lead us to be concerned.
I have information that proves that the world elite may be planning the beginning of Revelations. And certain groups are unconcerned because it's God's fullfillment. You remember that biblical story of death and destruction.
I have information that proves that some of the UFO data that is coming out is false. (There could be another reason Dr Greer believed he vectored the Phili lights. He had the thought or image implanted into his head by the same BlueBeam system being set up for the rapture.)
I have information that would make you see the Vatican should be questioned and make you question why they're steering us towards the NWO.

I have all this information and am also willing to show that you shouldn't trust the television media, as it is controlled and being used for control of the masses.

All this. And when I present the data that would be enough to at least make a person say, "you may be on to something", I get, "I haven't the time to read all that". Yet, they will still argue that your data must be wrong as the "real" media havn't picked up on it.

How do you break through the Ignorance. How do you break the programming being done to the population. Neuro Linguistic Programming.

With the vast knowledge base that is evident on this website I'm hoping that maybe someone in the NLP community can maybe suggest a counter method to get people out of this mindset. Although I have little respect for the psychiatry profession as a whole, maybe there's one that can suggest some way to get them to listen.

I've tried the "If you really love me you'd read this" or watch this. Why some may ask?

Well, when your "Loved" ones tell you that you are delusional and you'll believe anything without proof. They give you the impression that you should just sit in the back yard with your smoke and beer and let it all happen. If it's going to happen its going to happen. But your still wrong because I think that CNN would cover that story if it were true.

Which comes to the title. If they truly "loved" me, all it would take is a few hours to see that I am at least not imagining things. That their is enough data to support claims I have made. For them to see that CNN and all the others are not telling the complete truth. Thats all I'm saying. Doubt.

But I'm labled as a crazy lunatic by "loved" ones and they wonder why I can't talk to them. Any "conspiracy" that may be brought up is immediately laughed at. Chalk one up for the "Conspiracy Guy" on Space.

Any NLP experts on the board? Anyone know one? It would be a great video to spread the word.

Ideas as to what to do in the meantime???
Maybe if we get personal stories of similar instances, of which I'm sure have occurred to others, it could help to show the blind of the path they must follow. ??






[edit on 24-11-2008 by AllTiedTogether]

Good to hear! I thought I was the only one.

Seriously, I know how you feel. I have information about all that you mentioned, too.

I bet you engage in debates with people, and as soon as you prove your point beyond all reasonable doubt, you get "I don't want to talk about this anymore".

Some people just can't be woken up though. Even when you prove something is not right, their minds are just programmed to reject it.

It's unfortunate that some people subcontract their thinking processes to others. You'll notice that some sit down and analyse information presented to them, while others immediately seek answers from "experts" and such instead.

Just be proud of yourself for what you know. That's what wisdom is, the ability to understand what is going on in this realm. Intelligence is understanding what you're told.

[edit on 24/11/08 by NuclearPaul]

I really appreciate this post. Yes media and especially channels like CNN are used by the government as a form of mind control by the US govt. Unwittingly though, CNN reports only that which passes the US govt censorship.

The US govt exerts satellite mind control on news channels like CNN, especially their political news team. These poeple dont realize that thier brains are being manipulated

In the last election, where did u think the CNN leaned - Republicans or Democrats

Lets face it, the media in US is controlled and unless something drastic is done about it, the holy crap that comes on our TV will continue.

Some people need to think out of box and give the real power to the real poeple of America because that is why Presidents are elected by the people the way they are !

I see your predicament.

Most people aren't into conspiracy theories but they do like to question the Government and they like to talk about life. What I like to do is with the friends that I have is that I can present a theory of mine which is an opinion in itself and they consider it for a moment and we talk about it. I like talking about history to one of my friends, I talk about the theories I have about ancient life and stuff and science. I tell him my views about the public school system and about paranormal stuff. He doesn't think I'm crazy.

When I talk to one of my other friends when he tells me I'm crazy I make a joke and ask him who is normal, and then we have a discussion about that! It gets pretty funny and pretty philosophical .

I don't know. Maybe it depends on who you talk to. I've had the luck of talking to intellectuals so I don't see the world the same way you do with people being pessemistic and all.

In fact, most people are open to me when I present my ideas about things as opinions. They don't like it however when I make a strong statement-- like that's that-- and stuff.

If you sound too crazy they'll think you're a nutjob or a crackhead. So just be careful with who you talk to and how you talk about it.

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Two people I try to discuss this with are scientists. One doing studies in a school on environment and food problems with shortages(culling the herd). The other, her daughter, I believe has most of her schooling in biology(immune system). Extremely intelligent people and love life and all that but, mention some of this and you get...
"the planet is over populated and that's why"
"I don't want to think of that, it's too depressing"
"Can't you find anything good to talk about?"


Or, they just don't call. The last call I rcvd from my "family" was last week when my brother yelled at me because I told him Clinton would probably get in. I was wrong.. hence the yelling. But I didn't get to tell him I've been right about other things I told him about, like the $50 a barrel oil. He laughed real hard when I told him that months ago.

I just cannot get certain things into their heads...
I guess they don't love me??? Not the way I believe love is anyways.

I could be wrong. Deja Vu_javascript:icon('')

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Though i personally am open minded about the above topics in your OP, you continuously say "I have information". What would that information be?

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I do not love you, I don't even know you. And from the text you supplied--which makes plucky's head hurt--I cannot be coerced into loving you. plucky is now scared, for ultimatums are suspect!

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What that information is, it really doesn't matter on the point of this thread. My point is that I am able to show enough info for a reasonable person to suspect that their "news source" is not trustworthy and, that they should check out my info to verify. Yet they do not do this, only say I'm on the wrong track.

I love life, I love my fellow human beings, even those with the NWO. To feel any other way is just not human. These people are probably working for the NWO inadvertently. Some sign away their "life" in blood for certain beliefs; not knowing what they are getting into. I know this personally.

i could be wrong. Deja Vu_javascript:icon('')

I read this post with interest and I happen to agree.

It is a lonely place when one can see and understand where all this is possibly headed but friends and more importantly, family think that you are a weirdo who has totally lost it. Sometimes they will try to act interested and I personally that they are ignorant...not wishing to be ignorant mind but just not being able to get their heads around it. Maybe naive is a better word to use in this instance.

I just do not bother talking about it anymore. I just read and gather more info for my own interest.

I refuse to be have negative feelings about myself and the way I see and process these things. At the end of the day there is no need to be proven correct, to be wrong is OK


take care all
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edit for spelling

[edit on 24-11-2008 by resistancia]

It could be because you are giving them too much at once, or that your approach seems like an attack on their views. I had the same problem as well, but I found an easier way to liberate people, by letting them liberate themselves. Just change the tone of your approach, use their existing belief system to question them in such a way that you orchestrate it so they think they are waking you up. Teach them through asking, as if you want their help, through exposing the holes in theories that you seem to share, they will feel they are not alone on this quest, and even though you know where its heading, humble yourself and just smile.
Some folks are willing to debate and listen and be open enough to adjust their view when shown they could be wrong, and some need to think they are the ones making the realizations and decisions, which the questioning strokes their ego and gets them questioning on their own as well.

The first advice I would give is to not say things like " if you loved me you would read this". That doesn't work and if it happened to work it wouldn't work how you want it to. One of the best ways to get people to listen to you is to act like them, its something I pride myself on being able to do very well.

Example: The person will think your crazy to bring up UFO's

Hey I just heard something pretty crazy today. Did you hear about how they keep seeing weird lights in phoenix and its all over the news?

slowly work them into hearing the topics you want to hear about and don't tip your hand to show all your cards. If you go off about a ton of stuff its hard for anyone to take it all in 1 gulp and it makes you sound like a loon.

Feel free to discredit a few things you believe to be hoax's but are in topics you believe in.

Example: You think obama is the anti Christ.

I read a story about some weirdo today that thinks obama is going to take over the world with the free DR. Pepper campaign that started Sunday and some weird zombie virus. People are just crazy these days..... Although I did read that he is starting these odd youth camps that people can get college credit for attending and they almost remind me of the stuff you heard Hitler do in Germany.


BTW those are just examples and not 100% my views , Hope that helps.

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Great suggestion...
Maybe I can try this on some local "sleepers". My family I talk to on the phone and I usually don't get much to say when it comes to backing up my statements. Like I said earlier, I tried to tell my brother about some things that I was right about, that never happened before I hung up on him. Couldn't take the yelling that I was wrong.

It's better to NOT talk to your "loved ones" sometimes. Helps me to imagine that they really really love me.

I could be wrong. Deja Vu_javascript:icon('')

[edit on 24-11-2008 by AllTiedTogether]

AllTiedTogether
I don't disagree with what you are saying.
But once again I don't see any answers on what to do about all this.
What would you suggest everyone does?
Because there really is nothing.
You can protest for forever and a day and it doesn't change anything.
It just seems to be the fact that not many people could care if this is happening.
Because when they start to care, they start to look for answers and solutions.
And they cant find any that would realistically work.
So they just go back to not caring.

The real problem comes from being too busy, and not having time nor the desire to learn, actively learn.

How many times have you heard someone say, "I'm done school, I don't need to learn anymore"

OR

How many times have you heard "I'm too busy trying to survive, pay bills and work to be able to dedicate any time to learning"

I meet bad spellers all the time, .... do they actively try to learn the right spelling? no.. even if you correct them .. or even if you spelled it correctly in the sentence that came right before theirs, they still proceed to spell it incorrectly,

in essence they are "done" learning..

This is happening wide-spread across the planet everyday, people are too busy, or they just don't care....
They've been programed through school to avoid learning, because learning is associated with criticism, embarrassment and boring repetitive tasks, that most people see no point in carrying out.

... I could go into great detail as to how this has occurred but less is more in this case...

What needs to happen is people need to get interested in learning again .. they need to take the time to actually keep learning, pursue knowledge and when they hear something or see something to explore it thoroughly instead of taking things at face value, most people take things at face value and apply their own deep structure to it.. they make up reasons internally why certain things are true or untrue, they relate it to their past interpretations and leave it at that, instead of looking forward, people look backward for understanding, ...

for instance in school .. you review what you did, most times to capture what you did incorrectly.

Why not instead ... have the teacher look it over... memorize who needs to learn what, and teach accordingly.... instead of looking at what's wrong, look at what needs to be done.... keep kids interested by continually moving along, if you assume people will eventually get things right, they will usually find a way of making it make sense,

if you make kids do a test, spelling in this case...
and you correct the spelling, but don't find out how they spelled it wrong, they'll usually continue to make that mistake with other words, but if you nip it in the bud, find out why they had difficulties with that word, fix their concept or teach them a better method for spelling that word, they'll apply that rule to similar words and be able to figure it out on their own by using reason and logic instead of a #ty system like phonetics (because let's be honest phonetics isn't even spelled phonetically)

The media is a great place to start, because it is such a messed up form of education that you have so much to learn from peoples crappy statements, but if you continue to learn from just one crappy source... you'll end up with crappy information....

If you're watching CNN and comparing the different peoples opinions on their various different programming you are not learning anything nor are you becoming more informed, because no matter who you listen to, you are still listening to CNN...

To make an example of what I mean ...

Suppose I am talking to you, .. trying to explain something and I decide to explain my point of view by saying that I once knew someone who thought a certain way...

Sure I might have just switched to saying.. "this other person believes this" but I am still the person telling you this information, it doesn't matter how many characters I use trying to explain a story or point of view, because when it comes down to it, .. CNN is still the "person" telling you what you need to know...

The internet shapes our minds a bit differently hence the big push for internet controls....

We can take someones name, for instance, .. Nancy Pelosi, type it into Google and go on a learning adventure, where other names and events might pop up, .. well now you have more information to collect, .. you can put things into a much more broad context.

You can jump around watch videos, read blogs, look at "official" websites, even listen to music about certain events or people...

But this comes full circle to the problem of not having enough time to research all the "facts" thrown at you.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to control us mentally, they don't like us thinking for ourselves because they're afraid of the instability. As for the beginning of Revalations, well the religious authoritarian extremists try anything, witch hunts, wars, corrupting so that the few become rich and keep the many in obediance, Fascism probably started in large part due to the Catholic Church, Mussolini and Hitler came from Catholic Austria, so a little try at the revelations, a second coming and women condemned for two more millenia in destroyed by men wouldn't surprise me.

Well that's the problem RIGHT there.... you don't have much to say when it comes to backing up your statements.. because they are just that... a statement.. what are people supposed to say to statements?

I am a boy. <- statement.

If you give people statements it prompts them to judge whether or not it's true, ... instead of being conversational it's "fact" based and people automatically judge facts as right or wrong, try saying I just learned this and this, it could mean this, or I could be wrong, what do you think?
They'll say something either agreeing or disagreeing and that in itself will prompt more information from you that either confirms your statements or helps you think in new ways.

I had a lot more typed out.. I forget most of it.. since it took me around 10-15 minutes to type..





[edit on 11/24/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

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that's what keeps me going, the learning. I love to learn. I'm a sponge when it comes to info, constantly absorbing it. I only wish they felt the same. That's where it comes down to the NLP. They're using it and it's working. I know... I studied NLP for years and you can see it being used quite extensively on CNN and FOX.

Will try your ideas.... maybe use parables or bible stories to get the stories to sink in.... r r r


I could be wrong. Deja Vu_javascript:icon('')

Well remember.. if you know they are going to tell you that you are wrong... pace that .... say it before they do... like I could be wrong.. but if it's right, it could mean this and this.. what do you think?
If you know you're going to encounter difficulty, avoid it.... unless you know how to utilize it.

Best I can offer is this. just share your information with a glad heart. Remember you are offering a gift here. Whether that person accepts that gift is completely up to the reciever. I happen to be a follower of Christ. It is for me. I actually say a little prayer when compelled to share with someone. I ask that I use His words not mine. It is not for me to convince this person of anything. It is simply for me to share earnestly what I have learned and what my discernment has led me to believe to be true.

When I first approached my Mother with this her exact words were, "Oh honey you've been brainwashed". Some years later she now has 2 years of storable food, a nice store of gold and silver, a way to produce drinkable water and a firearm. I was met with initial opposition but I prayed I would be permitted to break that bond and it happened. I don't do that for everyone I encounter (usually I look for a glimmer of a thinking person and if I don't se it I move on) but I really wanted this for my Mother, so I persisted.

Look, you believe this is real and all you want to do is share this gift with others, as well you should. Don't give up, don't expect total success (it won't happen) and never feel alone, because you are not.

Please share it with us the same way you do them. Perhaps its because you are presenting bizarre ideas without any proof? If you are they may think you are having mental issues and don't know how to react?

Is that all you talk about? Perhaps you are so emotional about it you come off as being a scitzophrenic in their eyes?

You do know what we read on ATS and the Internet is for the most part not true? These are wild theories in an attempt to find real conspiracies, but you can't loose sight of the fact that there is no proof of most of it.