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Can NASA Really Send A Radio Or TV Signal From The Moon ?

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posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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There is a hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed." No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space.
The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, Solar flares, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove they faked the Apollo moon landings.
If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. They tell us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space. NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation. NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves... a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.

If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just a few of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.




posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 09:49 PM
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Changing the subject huh? Look, respond to the members of this community who have kindly addressed your points. You've come here with a viewpoint deep in ignorance, and have denied the aid of many who would help you. Either participate in the discussion by responding to the messages from our fine community members, or move on and find someplace else to spread your erroneous "science".



posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 10:01 PM
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Not changing the topic, just offering more proof. Why the hostilities ?



posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Not changing the topic, just offering more proof. Why the hostilities ?


No, you're are actually changing the topic. At first it was about how there is No Way of sending a signal from the Moon to Earth. Now you are talking about how Astronauts Wouldn't be able to live out in space or on the moon. That would not be adding support for your original topic, it would be adding support for a different topic. That support, BTW, being WEAK to say the least, not to mention the childish way you present it.

If you think including statements like 'any 6th grade student would know that' or 'you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe otherwise', and all that SH*T isn't going to add anything to your arguement or strengthen your claims, you've come to the wrong place.

It makes you look like someone who doesn't have enough intelligence to verify his claims, and because of your insecurities about Self Reliance and Fear of Being Thought of as a Loser, you try using mind games hoping that others are as weak minded as yourself, and will fall in to such a lame trap. I hate to rain on your lonely, sad parade and all, but you've already lost any shred of hope that others will find you Interesting, Credible or even a Decent Conversation.

[Edited on 2-4-2004 by mOjOm]



posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 10:41 PM
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everything I posted is verifiable. the verbal abuse is not necessary or accurate. If I said those thing to you I would probably be banned.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 12:55 AM
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Your last diatribe about it being impossible to walk on the moon was copied and pasted from another source without credit. you took it from Bill Cooper's site and the text that you stole comes from www.hourofthetime.com... about halfway down the page. And just in case you attempt to claim it is your writing, Bill is dead, so unless you're the ghost of Bill, you've plagiarized someone else's work, instead of using your own 'expertise'.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 02:00 AM
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I saw "the moon landing was faked" bit coming from the first post...

This poorly educated person is woefully underinformed (inspite of our fine membership's kindly attempts at informing him/her) on all aspects of this near miss of a conversation...

This person has visually noticed large dishes at the cable company, been sucked into the "Van Allen Belt" B.S., got a satellite dish kit from Wal-Mart, read the "aiming instuctions page" in the set-up guide and let misguided mental assumptions take over from there...

Over the past 10 years on sites similar (but not nearly as high quality) to ATS I have seen his ilk pretty much do exactly what we have witnessed here.

It's a typical and predictable pattern. They start out with something relatively mundane, i.e. radio signals, or, as in this case, satellite hardware, attempting to disprove reality with faulty, unscientific theorum.

Immediately the argument turns to one in which the educated and logical are accused of misinformation, conspiratorial complicity and "not understanding the science".

Then the uneducated slacker usually, as in this case, declares him/herself the undisputed expert of the subject and denounces the real science presented based on the fact the presenters don't know as much as the uneducated slacker does on the subject matter at hand.

Once these crucial steps have been achieved the hammer falls... "NASA FAKED THE MOON SHOT IN 1969!!!"

Last Day Prophet even did the customary cut and paste job of some other uneducated slacker's shabbily written essay on the indisputable proof that "any 6th grader could obviously see plain as day".

Last Day Prophet, PLEASE realize you have stumbled into the BEST and BRIGHTEST community on the internet which in fact has some REAL "Rocket Scientists" (one of whom happens to be my wife) among its membership.

We don't suffer fools well here at all. We DO however welcome any and all that are SERIOUSLY trying to DENY IGNORANCE and better their understanding of all things.

PEACE...
m...



[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Springer]



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by Springer
I saw "the moon landing was faked" bit coming from the first post...

This poorly educated person is woefully underinformed (inspite of our fine membership's kindly attempts at informing him/her) on all aspects of this near miss of a conversation...

This person has visually noticed large dishes at the cable company, been sucked into the "Van Allen Belt" B.S., got a satellite dish kit from Wal-Mart, read the "aiming instuctions page" in the set-up guide and let misguided mental assumptions take over from there...

Over the past 10 years on sites similar (but not nearly as high quality) to ATS I have seen his ilk pretty much do exactly what we have witnessed here.

It's a typical and predictable pattern. They start out with something relatively mundane, i.e. radio signals, or, as in this case, satellite hardware, attempting to disprove reality with faulty, unscientific theorum.

Immediately the argument turns to one in which the educated and logical are accused of misinformation, conspiratorial complicity and "not understanding the science".

Then the uneducated slacker usually, as in this case, declares him/herself the undisputed expert of the subject and denounces the real science presented based on the fact the presenters don't know as much as the uneducated slacker does on the subject matter at hand.

Once these crucial steps have been achieved the hammer falls... "NASA FAKED THE MOON SHOT IN 1969!!!"

Last Day Prophet even did the customary cut and paste job of some other uneducated slacker's shabbily written essay on the indisputable proof that "any 6th grader could obviously see plain as day".

Last Day Prophet, PLEASE realize you have stumbled into the BEST and BRIGHTEST community on the internet which in fact has some REAL "Rocket Scientists" (one of whom happens to be my wife) among its membership.

We don't suffer fools well here at all. We DO however welcome any and all that are SERIOUSLY trying to DENY IGNORANCE and better their understanding of all things.

PEACE...
m...



[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Springer]


Believe me, it's not just on this type of site, it happens everywhere, from politics to porn. Excellent Summary of this thread btw


jra

posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 03:27 AM
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In regards to the "Deadly" radiation...



"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen


enough said.

I think the other people are correct when saying that radio signals can reach the moon and further. I suggest this site for your education about the moon landings. no offence, but you need to do some learning. www.clavius.org...



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 07:16 AM
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Because a person does not accept your view makes them a IDIOT ? the moon landing is very relevant to my post and not a change of subject. If they never went to the moon they certainly could not send a signal from the moon, which is my point. I see that I cannot post any information concerning this subject without being labled a fool or unlearned one. I clearly understand what is going on here and why I have been attacked so violently. Since I am not free to express my view I will end my posting on this subject here. The truth will always remain true and eventually become illuminated.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
everything I posted is verifiable. the verbal abuse is not necessary or accurate. If I said those thing to you I would probably be banned.


Could you post a link to back up your claim.

You would not have been banned, just put on ignore.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet everything I posted is verifiable. the verbal abuse is not necessary or accurate. If I said those thing to you I would probably be banned.
Incorrect, nothing you said is based on actual science, physics, or real-world experience. You have found that the majority of ATS members are intelligent, experienced, and not swayed by any 14-year old's website that doesn't believe the moon landings. You have been exceptionally rude, ignoring the sound and sage advice of our educated and experienced community members, while trying to drill your own error-prone agenda into our heads... seemingly because you think ATS is just any old conspiracy board filled with paranoid delusionals. With a click of a mouse I could ban you, and your rudeness is making that solution desirable. My advice, step away from the computer, experience reality, learn about science, and return with a new-found awareness of what is and what is not possible. ATS is unlike any other conspiracy board, we are believers with a very healthy dose of skepticism that enables use to filter through BS such as yours, and uncover truth. In other words, we deny ignorance.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Because a person does not accept your view makes them a IDIOT ? the moon landing is very relevant to my post and not a change of subject. If they never went to the moon they certainly could not send a signal from the moon, which is my point. I see that I cannot post any information concerning this subject without being labled a fool or unlearned one. I clearly understand what is going on here and why I have been attacked so violently. Since I am not free to express my view I will end my posting on this subject here. The truth will always remain true and eventually become illuminated.


What a shocker! everything you say is refuted, with scientific evidence. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you take it as a personal attack, and discontinue posting. If you really are an expert, please, prove it to us, show us evidence. And please site your sources, don't copy & paste and hope we haven't seen it.


jra

posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 03:46 PM
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lastday prophet: You seem to base your theory on that we never went to the Moon. Which is not a good thing to base a theory on.

I don't care if you turn this into a thread about the Moon in general. Lets discuss radiowaves and the moon and the astronauts that went to it, if you wish. But don't expect anyone to believe your theory when you don't have anything to back up your claims.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 04:13 PM
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Goodness, this must have been the person that set up my Dish Network all backwards. Some of the most redumentary fundementals of communications and he denies it. If he indeed works for a major broadcasting company, I hope his boss don't see this.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by muzz
If he indeed works for a major broadcasting company, I hope his boss don't see this.


I am fairly certain this person gets an allowance form his/her Mom and Dad for mowing the yard and taking out the trash...

PEACE...
m...



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:11 AM
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You know Lastday Prophet you started a topic saying you didn't believe we can communicate with the moon. Many people replied with their knowledge & links to give your their point of view. You pretty much ignored the substance of what they had to say on continued on with what you believe to be true.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I found a good link that you could read for days & could lead to many other sites as you try to understand the subject.

If your going to make a statement about something you believe you need to do the research both before & after you make a claim. Saying things like "I'm an expert on the subject" or "I know more about this than anyone on this site" is a very bold statement when you really don't know that much about anyone here.

If you really are an expert why don't you tell us what your credentials are? As strong as a stance that you made, if you had any credentials you would have said so. You didn't even do enough research to find out what the credentails are called by name or acronym, so you couldn't even tell a good lie.

I'm not saying that you can't be a self taught expert without credentials , but then you'd have to do a better job of making your point with your own words. There's nothing wrong with backing up your claim with others opinions as long as you give them credit, but copying & pasting it as if it were your own is a no no.

Sometimes we all make a stance on something that later we reluctantly find out is untrue. That's a hard thing to swallow sometimes. If you really believe we are wrong go out and research the subject & come back here with enough credible information to convince us to look at it closer.

As I said I'm not an expert, but I grew up in the aviation community, so I believe we did go to the moon and I was alive when it occured. I've setup lots of dishes for friends & family, but I think anyone with a little patience and handyman skills can do so.

In my opinion you are either a laborer with high school education or less who helped setup some communications equipment for some media related company. Or as some have suggested your still a kid and you helped a few buddies setup satellite dishes and they think your a genious because your turned on all their channels with directions you found on the internet and a script that somebody else wrote. I might be wrong though, sometimes I am.


[Edited on 4-4-2004 by outsider]



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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What are my credentials ? I am a master tech. I started out with satellite in the 70's. Long before the 18 in dishs. I have worked on dishs 50 ft. large, and have installed the largest dishs in my area. I started when you needed one box to move the dish, one box to change transponders, one box for stereo and one box to descramble the few scrambled channels at that time. I installed dishs when HBO, CINAMAX and all the other channels were transmitted in the clear. I installed the first of the VC I descrambler boards when all the networks began scrambling their signals. I worked when G-1, F-3, T-3 and others where 10 watt satellites that you needed a 12 foot C-Band ECI Antenna to recieve a clear signal without sparkles, in compared to todays higher wattage KU- Band satellites that allow the use of an 18 in. dish. I have worked on Microwave towers which are point to point. I know which dishs were better at rejecting TI. ( a term most in here don't even know what it refers to) I am one of the Pioneers that made satellite technology what it is today. There may only be 200 men in the country that started when I did and have aquired the technical expertise I possess. I doubt that there is anyone on this site that even knows what a GI IQ 160 reciever is, it was the first all in one satellite reciever. I was the main troubleshooter for the broadcaster I worked for. All that to say I know my stuff. I for a certainty know the limits of satellite technology for I was in it from the beginning, dispite what anyone in here might say or think. If radio signals have a longer range than satellite, why do they use satellite to relay the radio signals across the earth. I challenge anyone in the WORLD to prove they can send a Television signal from Russia to the United States without the use of satellites or land lines, simply sending a signal through the air. Prove me wrong. If you can't send a signal from the United States to Russia without the use of satellites, you certainly cannot send one to or from the moon. I am well educated and wiser than most in here. I am currently writing a book on the true builder of the Great Pyramid. No other man I know has been given this revelation, I have posted part of my information in a different forum here. So to all the "Nay Sayers" , "Deny The Ignorance" I walk in the revelation of God and am not decieved in any sense. I don't get into my spiritual assets because it does not concern the post. As far as I am concerned I consider most of the responses as coming from "Unlearned Ones" who consider themselves wise, but in truth are blind and cannot see afar off, deceivers or deceived ones. Prove me wrong, show me how you can send a Television signal from Russia to the USA without the use of satellites or landlines.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I challenge anyone in the WORLD to prove they can send a Television signal from Russia to the United States without the use of satellites or land lines, simply sending a signal through the air.


The Earth is round therefore sending a signal from Russia to the United States would be impossible. Don’t you need line of sight to receive a signal? I thought that was the point of having satellites so that they could receive a signal from earth send it down the line of satellites to the other side of the planet. But If you were on the moon sending a signal you would have line of sight on half the planet.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by kinglizard]



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 03:15 PM
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Isn’t it true that the first television transitions of “I Love Lucy” are reaching the edge of the galaxy by now?



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