Does USA Own The Moon?, page 1
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:39 AM by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to post by MrRobarto



I mean, I guess since the U.S. supposedly landed on the moon first, can they (the U.S. government) claim to own it?

I do not think it is first come first serve. if that even makes sense....


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:40 AM by prototism
Allegedly, the Outer Space Treaty addresses this very issue. Basically, it states that no single nation owns the moon, and that everything up there is property of humanity itself.

Of course, that is overly general, and perfect to contest, but that is beside the point.

Google "who owns the moon"
www.google.com...

Google "outer space treaty"
www.google.com...

CNN Article
www.cnn.com...
"At some point the world community needs to come together and draft some new convention or treaty," said Paul Dempsey, director of the Institute of Air and Space Law and McGill University in Montreal. "It is an open wound that needs to be healed."

Dempsey pointed out that at the time the U.N. drafted the Outer Space Treaty, there were only two spacefaring nations -- the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Now there are over a dozen. And many of them, including China, Russia, the U.S., India and Japan, want to go to the moon.

NASA, for example, recently announced plans to return by 2020, eventually building a permanent base on the lunar surface. The Russian space agency, Roskosmos, has confirmed similar intentions.

The burgeoning commercial space sector is also casting its gaze towards Earth's only natural satellite with companies considering everything from mining the lunar surface to building extraterrestrial resorts on it.

"It is quite a complicated issue because it is international law we are dealing with," said Niklas Hedman, chief of the Committee Services and Research Section of the U.N.'s Office for Outer Space Affairs in Vienna.

There are five treaties that govern international affairs in space, said Hedman. Two of them -- the Outerspace Treaty and the 1979 Moon Agreement -- deal with lunar law.

The Outer Space Treaty provides a legal framework for the international use of space for peaceful purposes, including the moon and other celestial bodies. Widely considered the "Magna Carta of space law," this treaty lays down the fundamental principle of non-appropriation and that the exploration and use of space shall be the province of all mankind.

According to the treaty, states bear international responsibility for national activities in space, including by non-governmental entities. The Outer Space Treaty says governments cannot claim ownership of the lunar surface and that stations and installations on the moon shall be open to others, said Hedman.

The Moon Agreement builds upon the Outer Space Treaty but also says that any natural resources found on the moon are part of "the common heritage of mankind" - in other words, they must be shared.


The Outer Space Treaty
www.state.gov...
Article IX

In the exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, States Parties to the Treaty shall be guided by the principle of co-operation and mutual assistance and shall conduct all their activities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, with due regard to the corresponding interests of all other States Parties to the Treaty. States Parties to the Treaty shall pursue studies of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, and conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment of the Earth resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter and, where necessary, shall adopt appropriate measures for this purpose. If a State Party to the Treaty has reason to believe that an activity or experiment planned by it or its nationals in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, would cause potentially harmful interference with activities of other States Parties in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, it shall undertake appropriate international consultations before proceeding with any such activity or experiment. A State Party to the Treaty which has reason to believe that an activity or experiment planned by another State Party in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, would cause potentially harmful interference with activities in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, may request consultation concerning the activity or experiment.





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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 04:13 AM by SiONiX
protoism is absolutely right here, the Outer Space Treaty prohibits ownership of celestial bodies on state level.

But I have no idea what happens if a country doesn't accept the treaty and colonizes the moon. I think this would lead to war, if it couldn't be solved in diplomacy.

Until just now I thought you can buy stars, I knew that such contracts have no legal base, but thought it is possible. But actually, you can only
register stars, ex $39,95 with free shipping inside the US.

I think this treaty will become practically void once the first nations have the capability to build bases and establish a regular traffic from/to moon. Just wait. Think of this treaty like a law to prohibit colonization if ships weren't available yet.

You can bet this treaty will become revised then, and nations will demand the right to own territories up there....



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 11:01 PM by Swatman
Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to
post by MrRobarto



I mean, I guess since the U.S. supposedly landed on the moon first, can they (the U.S. government) claim to own it?

I do not think it is first come first serve. if that even makes sense....


tell that to the native americans


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 11:41 PM by marsha law
reply to post by Swatman



Yeah. Does the USA own the USA is a better question.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 11:58 PM by azzllin
There are going to have to be more treaties IMO before anyone can be allowed to start ripping the place up.

In a recent thread I posed the question, will Mining the Moon effect the gravitational effects on the earth as well as the Moon, will the Tides change? will the Moon start to move away faster then the 3cm a year it does now? you cant remove billions of tons of a orbiting body makeing it lighter, and expect it to remain the same, I don't even think anyone has ever asked this question, and it is valid, so far nobody has answered the question, not even NASA, I e-mailed several people about this, including an Astrogeologists, and Nasa employees, I even used the ask Nasa a question website, not one single person could answer with certainty.

As for who owns the moon, nobody owns the Moon, like I believe nobody owns the Earth or part of it, we only occupy it, with protection under present laws, as one poster said, ask the Native Americans, extend that to every indigenous people's and the answer is always the same, and one day IMO everything will be put back the way it was, and the way it was meant to be.

IMO the Moon should be made the Worlds first International reserve, protected for all Mankind, and indeed all life on our little World, and Mankind should pull it's head in, I just hope there are beings out there who will stop our nonsense once and for all, before we destroy everything, and not just here on Earth.

In some Faiths, the Moon is a symbolism of their creator, I doubt they are going to quietly allow its rape, it's about time we stopped thinking of what it's worth, and more about what part it has always played in the creation of life on the Earth, when it's gone so shall we be. GONE.



reply posted on 26-11-2008 @ 12:24 PM by Unlimitedpossibilities
Originally posted by Swatman
Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to
post by MrRobarto



I mean, I guess since the U.S. supposedly landed on the moon first, can they (the U.S. government) claim to own it?

I do not think it is first come first serve. if that even makes sense....


tell that to the native americans


Good point.

I guess the 'first come then own it' does not really exist.
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