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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 11:56 PM by Swatman
Originally posted by blowfishdl
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Yeah it's no secret either I get offers everyday in the mail for $4,000 loans and I don't even have a job.


this is true, but you cannot blame bush for something that was started in 1972 and was kept under wraps by bernanke and paulson and the rest of the corrupt FED


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 12:00 AM by blowfishdl
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I don't blame Bush for de-regulation. I blame Bush for the war in Iraq and 9/11. I blame Bush for doing nothing, that's right nothing. He is one of the most ill-informed presidents even after 8 years, and cannot name leaders of world powers.

This country has gone to hell in a handbag for many during the Bush administration. I have disagreed mainly on the war in Iraq which is costing us around 70 million a month currently, and stuff like the Patriot Act which strips us of constitutional rights and the need for a warrant.

I might add that his war in Iraq is funded by Chinese loans (500Billion worth).

[edit on 24/11/2008 by blowfishdl]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 12:02 AM by Swatman
Originally posted by blowfishdl
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I don't blame Bush for de-regulation. I blame Bush for the war in Iraq and 9/11. I blame Bush for doing nothing, that's right nothing. He is one of the most ill-informed presidents even after 8 years, and cannot name leaders of world powers.

This country has gone to hell in a handbag for many during the Bush administration. I have disagreed mainly on the war in Iraq which is costing us around 70 million a month currently, and stuff like the Patriot Act which strips us of constitutional rights and the need for a warrant.

I might add that his war in Iraq is funded by Chinese loans (500Billion worth).

[edit on 24/11/2008 by blowfishdl]


well the 9/11 debate is another issue on itself considering i do not believe it was an inside job.



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 12:10 AM by blowfishdl
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I understand. It's very hard to believe. I myself had a hard time believing it and it's still blurry even for the most hard-pressed activists.

It is to my personal belief that they didn't enact 9/11 but instead allowed it to happen so that they could put forth the NWO plot (one world government).

All whom were wealthy and affected were paid off including the man who owned the WTC Towers. One month prior to the 9/11 attacks the man who owned these buildings took out a 99 year lease and multi-million dollar insurance policy which included terrorist attacks such as plane bombs.

I surely will let you do your own research on this topic. One last point I would like to make regarding it is a video I saw today dated 9-11-1991. George Bush Senior gave a speech regarding the New World Order.

If I was less lazy I would find it but you could probably Google "George Bush NWO" and find it.

Ironic stuff none-the-less. Only the true officials high above the President know the truth.


Edit: It is also hard to believe that a plane took down those buildings straight down to the ground. This is the equivalent of standing on a coke can and how it holds your weight due to symmetry. The buildings were engineered to hold the weight of a 747, one step below the 757.

[edit on 24/11/2008 by blowfishdl]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 12:12 AM by EyesWideShut
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You don't think 911 was an inside job?... Not that it suprises me from your comments , I t would be hard for me to fathom that the country that I love , the same country that I served 4 years in the Marine Corps for would ever do anything that wasn't in my best interest... And then I woke up. I'm not pushing the agenda or trying to derail your forum... Just do yourself a favor and look at all of the evidence presented on boths sides , make your case by facts not emotions & imagine if this took place in say... China. Would the fact that you KNOW the government is corrupt there sway your thinking that it might be possible that 911 wasn't all it seemed to be?... Oh and since I've yet to answer your questions.... People Voted for Obama because he is who the mainstream media pushed and he's the candidate that the PTB wanted in office... It didn't hurt that he ran against a corpse either.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:45 PM by Blaine91555
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A Texan who does not like guns

I don't know why I'm posting because I did not vote for Obama. I voted Libertarian in protest. Both Candidates left me wanting.

At first Obama was appealing then I took a closer look.

I had been to Reverend Wrights church website before Obama even started running. It originally had a very racist message on its homepage and that affected my feelings somewhat. Twenty years and he did not know even though it was on their homepage and tapes for sale in the foyer? I don't know? I'll give him a pass on that out of fairness but I don't think he was honest about it.

His lie when he pledged to use public funding probably had the greatest impact on me. It says to me that he is willing to lie to get what he wants, even about major issues. I feel very strongly that all Candidates should have equal resources. An extreme financial advantage is on the cusp of buying an election and I still get chills remembering when Carter bought an election.

His plan to raise capital gains taxes during this economic downturn seems like an extremely bad move to me. Why do something that will cause more unemployment at this time? Made no sense to me.

His speech about his plans to create a Civilian Defense Force with mandatory participation (a Draft by any name is still a Draft) equal to the Military scares me. I guess because of the history of some of the worlds most evil leaders doing the same thing.

The fact he was supported by the Kos crowd had some influence. The link to Soros also was a negative for me. Those people don't want freedom, they want to dictate that everyone do everything their way and their way only.

Now that he is the President Elect, I'll support him until he gives me reason not too. I worry though about things like the news-ticker I saw this morning that said he is going to stop drilling in some areas.

There is almost no drilling now and no way can he replace oil immediately with other sources, so that means more dependence on foreign sources, not less. I wonder if he is really aware of how long it takes to develop new industry and technology?

I'm actually for a form of medical care for those who can't afford insurance. I've seen the flood of Canadians into the US to get elective care and surgeries, so I'm hoping he does not make the mistake of following the Canadian model. They would not be filling waiting rooms in the US and paying for something they get at home if their program were any good. Waiting years for elective surgery even though means they can not work is not an acceptable solution.

$75 an hour in wages and benefits for UAW assembly line workers also worries me greatly. I hope Obama is not in the Unions hip pocket as past Dem's have been.

I may be to the right on fiscal and economic issues but I am, like many Americans, a bit to the left on social issues. Not to the point of mandatory service in a civilian defense force though. I just can't get past that. I've viewed a tape of that speech many times and he meant it. He said clearly that it would be as well trained, equipped and funded as the military. Where in the hell is that money going to come from and is a Federal Civilian Defense Force anything but a nightmare waiting to happen? If he starts disarming civilians, we all need to worry. Lets hope not.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 03:51 PM by Blaine91555
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You had other options. Until people start voting third Party in large numbers we are stuck with the two evils. A vote for a Third Party is not wasted. It sends a message you are not satisfied with the status quo. Imagine if a few million voters went Third Party on a national election?
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