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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 04:45 PM by blowfishdl
reply to post by SiONiX


Thank you for clarifying SiONiX, I did indeed mean Afghanistan rather than Iraq. Like I said your country is much too smart to get involved in the lies of Iraq, as many country's around the world have taken the same stand.

Always good to hear from inside the country.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 04:55 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl


I am not responsible for the evil deeds of those i do not know or have no contact with.

If my child and I have a child, 2 in fact, is assaulted... and something bad happens to him

What I in truth would be responsible for (perhaps) is not having guided him properly and by example in avoiding the circumstance in the first place

But I would offer no regret, if he was not capable of winning a fight, because, there is always a bigger guy that knows more karate and I can not and would not let him think all fights can be won

and in reflection to Israel

We have them going at a Fight that can not be won

and pumping them up to fight it.

My 9 year old can't take on a gang himself no matter how much I would like that

I should have told him to not walk that block, or picked him up after school

But giving him karate lessons to get a few licks in before he goes down is stupid

and handing him a gun, rather than deal with it myself is BS

Germany supplying Israel with Delivery systems and other capacities isn't going to stop the fight

If Germany wanted to back up Israel it should do it directly (be a man) so to speak



Germany could be a better DAD in this circumstance, you could almost say the US, England Germany are kind Of israels family

and it's a tiny scared nation not unlike a child and prone to react violently emotionally

and no it's parents are doing a terrible job

even if that Job would mean being firm

I think as a Jew

Israel should be disbanded, this war can't be won against the region, there is no peace that will be had

My kid

The way I think, would by this point

Be moved, to a different school or neighborhood

it's 1.5 Billion vs 20 Million

situation will end in tragedy

The creation of Israel in this time fulfills everyones apocolyptic vision in all 3 religions

It's deadly

Teach my kid Karate? Give him a Gun?

No

I mean sure if he wants Karate fine whatever, but not to walk past a gang of bikers on his way to school... no you have to be a man and change schools and know when your kids going to loose

The what, when he does I go down with my friends and kill them all...

The the cops come and I ...shoot them too?

That's the end of the world in that case, end of line, Kids dead, i'm dead, everyones dead

If the issue is big enough yeah...

But it's a strip of land in a #ty place

not worth it

In this case, my kids school is next to a meth lab lol, I'm not giving him a gun... or teaching him karate and having him have the fight on principal

I'm changing schools... moving to a new town, then if they come looking, I have all the guns in the world and no one can say boo if am forced to use them

Huge mistake...this whole game in that region, HUGE, Iraq Afghanistan all of it... Israel too

we should be good parents and take the blame... we put the kid in a crappy school/location it stinks, he's going to get hurt


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 04:57 PM by czacza
the truth about the GERMANY is that they achived the goals of WWII or possible WWIII already by creating the EU. they need no war anymore.

but it is very clear that they are keeping the good relations with Russians just in case. and Russians are dangerous. only today they were shooting toward the polish president in Georgia:

www.ctv.ca...

I am from Poland so I can say that that tandem is a pretty ugly neighbourhood.

we are facing the threats according to our territory from some extremist german politicians and some of them are in power now.

but still belive that there is no evidence on any prepardness for some war in Germany. it is more likely that it will start in Israel than Europe for the reason I mentioned on the top of my post.



reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 04:58 PM by xxis250xx
reply to post by xXxArMaGeDdOnxXx


Are you serious or is this a joke thread????????????? I have nothing else to say


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:01 PM by blowfishdl
reply to post by mopusvindictus


The point is that you cannot prevent the fact that your child may be beaten up someday. It happens all the time, especially inside public schools. However, sending him to public schools doesn't make you to blame. The person who beat your child up is to blame. Therefor Einstein isn't the one who bombed Hiroshima.

If Germany is to start WW3 they would only be determined the cause IF they DIRECTLY influenced it such as the atrocities of WW2. The possibility of this happening is 0 to none.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:11 PM by detachedindividual
Germany experienced some pretty horrific atrocities and their people were blamed (rightly so). Most Germans seem very liberal, very open and honest about their past, and resolutely determined to never allow such an evil organization to rise again. Hence their stance on Scientology and the attempts to ban it from their country. They see the similarities between this cult and the Nazi movement, the hatred built into it, and they know what could happen if this cult gained significant numbers.

European countries have more direct experience of the realities of war than many other nations in modern history.

That's not to say that there aren't some European nations climbing back into dark times. Look at Italy right now, they are swinging further and further to the fanatical; victimizing and criminalizing whole sections of their community under the banner of "security".

I am certain that if WW3 did come about, it would be as a direct result of an irresponsible nation with a grudge. While I am undecided about Russia, they are on "my list" as a possible candidate.
Then you have N.Korea and also Iran.
I'm not basing this solely on Nuclear capability, simply because I think the likelihood of a Nuclear war is overestimated. Most nations with this capability know all too well that pressing that button means destruction for them too. Even in retaliation for something lesser, it would be catastrophic all 'round.

In my opinion, the next military scenario will likely involve N.Korea attacking the south. If their leader is dead as evidence suggests, the current leadership is military. Their rhetoric is stepping up, they are distancing themselves further, possibly in preparation for closing the borders to those wishing to escape the south.
If they do, what happens after that is anyone's guess. But depending on the timing, I think the US and allies would get involved to remove the N.Korean threat.

I think N.Korea, China, Russia and Iran are more on the radar for potential aggression right now, and that has to be for a good reason.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:12 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl


I believe every word of that is true about the German people

and what the govt does, is not the same



Still a Member of NATO

Still selling other countries weapons


Maybe that will change

But you refuse to see the REAL REAL REAL

They gave Israel NUCLEAR CAPABLE SUBS

THIS YEAR

The sun launches the Nukes your guilty

that's it... you helped cause WW3


The road to Hell is paved with good intentions

I don't care of the country is a 24/7 xtcy dropping Rave location

Our bombers were still using those bases during the Rave

Guilty


Get in your car, be uninvolved at all Switzerland... you got Oil from Iraq and bought it?

Guilty

You received stolen goods that "fell off the truck" at a better price

Member of Nato

Did you VETO the war

no?

GUILTY

Being better than us... isn't much of a statement

heading in the right direction isn't being there yet

The nation, Builds, Weapons systems and supplies them, weapons systems that deliver WMDS

GUILTY

Yay no nuclear plants, can I move there? That's really nice!!!! good move

Beats the crap out of living near the largest Nuke plant in the world which sadly I do

all good things

No One is attacking Germany

asensitive nation to say anything about because of the past

BUT

BAD FRACKIN MOVE Giving the Crazy Israelis WMD delivery systems, stealthy first strike ones at that!!!!!

Not a Good choice...

and I'm a JEW and I like them and they are my people

But, it's a Bullied kid with a loaded .45

as a parent the kid uses it, your going to Jail...that's it, end of story

and we stopped giving them this stuff...EVEN Under Bush

Because it was a Retarded move and we realized it

If they use this stuff, Germany helped them



What's the next defense Germany has beautiful Women and Great Beer

what does that have to do with selling Israel WMD delivery systems???

They did it FACT, this YEAR Fact... doesn't matter whats great about Germany, Plenty IS Great about Germany... I wish I was there I hate PHX Az, even the scenery is better loking and laws are better and the people are brighter

Yeah we all know this

But they still sold Israel WMD delivery systems this year prior to and while threatening a first strike that can Cause WW3

and it was stooopid to do so


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:15 PM by blowfishdl
reply to post by mopusvindictus


Listen, your links are all scrambled so let me help you out.

The USA were the first to trade nuclear arms with Israel. If it was Israel's nukes that caused WW3 than the blame could be put on the USA.

Your theories describe such a weak link to even this hypothetical WW3 that it wouldn't even break a single headline!

Under your understanding of guilt, any civilian of Germany whom bought goods within the country, paid taxes to the government, and therefor funded the nuclear trading programs of the government, is now guilty of starting WW3.

In simpler terms using your terminology of "cause" you could blame the German civilians for doing the correct, legal, and legitimate thing of paying their taxes.

Same could be said for any other country paying taxes which then get put into an arms program.

Your POV is simply pointing the finger at the innocent. This type of disinformation can really get out of hand and should not be tolerated.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:32 PM by blowfishdl
reply to post by SiONiX


Sorry SiONiX I forgot your post regarding there being no nuclear arms in Germany. I was taken off of balance by the OP's posts regarding them giving nuclear arms to Israel??

Germany trading nuclear arms to Israel hasn't been backed by any external news sources either. It seems this is similar to the majority of the OP's argument.

Edit:
I would also like to state that the majority of the poster's argument is extremely hypothetical including the statements surrounding Israel's Nuclear trading with Germany.

[edit on 23/11/2008 by blowfishdl]


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:33 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl


bro, whatever you want to say... you know lead your life that way... see what you get.

If Iran and Israel cause WW3

Russia and America will be to blame... playing a damn game, Germany, every Member of Nato,

and everyone else who let these KIDS Play with guns

We arm these nations, Germany does too...

and this was a CRITICAL Piece, The gun itself

Russia is Busy helping Iran, we gave Israel Nukes, England put them there in a hot bed of crap and left them to it, China gives them Money

AND WE ALL KNOW, BOTH SIDES IN THIS CASE ARE IMMATURE AND WILL USE THE WEAPONS

RESPONSIBILITY

The powers of the world exhibit none and obviously via this conversation neither do you


when you have kids, you choose your kids school zone okay... you ARE RESPONSIBLE


and LOL take the responsibility or not... but it's the EASIER road than denying it

Because either way, you live with the consequences

so you want to absolve nations or parents or Einstein or anyone else of guilt?

Go ahead

You still have to breathe the air when it's all over so... why not just say...

It's mental, that Germany gave Israel a new better delivery system and it's Mental that Iran is getting help from Russia with the reactors and it's crazy that we gave Israel Nukes

Or that we even set the example in the first place to teach these kids this way.

It's so much easier to just be honest...
It's not Just America... we have How many members in nato...and Russia has it's team of retards doing this... arming babies, to the teeth with weapons

I would be nice right... if there was one blame

But it ain't so

All of Europe is in on it, the leaders, all of Asia China, Russia, Japan

Your going to blame Israel and Iran when the world goes poof?

Go ahead... absolve anyone you want

but no matter what you say

Israel uses those GERMAN Subs to launch Nuclear cruise missiles into Iran (The ONLY way they CAN destroy the facilities completely with 100% certainty)

and WW3 starts... Germany will have sold them those Subs and gave them the ability to do so.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:34 PM by czacza
reply to post by blowfishdl


well it was just an example that they are active some way. I never said that it is any evidence of any plan linked to the WWIII issue. I said opposite.

their goal is achived by creating the EU. they already have a whole Europe enslaved. what they need a war for now in europe? to loose money?

if it starts it will start thanks to Israel in IRAN or thanks to the crisis on the US territory (martial law, riots, domestic war...) and spread all over.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:38 PM by blowfishdl
reply to post by mopusvindictus


You are still referring to the past metaphorical question, "If your child gets beat up and you don't teach him black-belt-karate are you to blame for him being beaten up?".

Let me explain something to you, I am not a parent, yet I would like to impose a bit of wisdom on you and save you some unrest in the coming teen years.

No matter what you do, where you go, what you teach them, or what they learn... The day will come that they get into a fist fight. I feel so horribly bad for you when that day comes, because according to your opinion you will be the person to blame.

Additionally, the next time you post and act as though we are all so misinformed for disagreeing with the notion that Germany will play even the slightest part in WW3, POST a link to an EXTERNAL AND RELIABLE news source that has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with war, international affairs, terrorism, nuclear arms, trading with Israel, or backing up ANY of the outrageous claims you are posting on this website.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:46 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by SiONiX


I posted it back the 3 new Submarines Germany sold to Israel are capable of launching Nuclear tipped Cruise missiles

It is the component Israel NEEDS to assure a strike into Iran and take out the facilities...

The bombers can't do it, Iranian air defense is very good, Missiles could work... but then IF Iran has systems Chemical, Biological or Nuclear it can still detect them and strike and eliminate Israel

So those subs with 5 minutes warning, and Nuclear can Eliminate the Iranian threat to Israel



Three 1,925 ton Type 800 Dolphin class submarines have been built in German shipyards for the Israel Navy. Modern submarines with the most advanced sailing and combat systems in the world, they combine extensive sophistication with very easy operation. The purpose of these submarines is to enable the Israel Navy to meet all the tasks faced in the Mediterranean Sea in the 21st century. The submarines cost $320 million each, and are twice as big as the aging Gal-class submarines that the Israeli navy has relied on to date.

The submarine has the capacity to carry anti-ship missiles, mines, decoys and STN Atlas wire-guided DM2A3 torpedoes. The surface-to-surface missiles may include the submarine-launched Harpoon which delivers a 227 kilogram warhead to a range of 130 kilometres at high subsonic speed. It is generally agreed that these submarines are outfitted with six 533-millimeter torpedo tubes suitable for the 21-inch torpedoes that are normally used on most submarines, including those of the United States.

Some reports suggest that the submarines have a total of ten torpedo tubes -- six 533-millimeter and four 650-millimeter. Uniquely, the Soviet navy deployed the Type 65 heavy-weight torpedo using a 650-millimeter tube. The four larger 25.5 inch diameter torpedo tubes could be used to launch a long-range nuclear-capable submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM). A


according to some reports the submarines may be capable of carrying nuclear-armed Popeye Turbo cruise missiles, with a goal of deterring an enemy from trying to take out its nuclear weapons with a surprise attack.



OR Offensively to prevent the capacity of a counter strike that could destroy Israel

It's Checkmate for the Israelis to wipe out the Iranian Nuclear program

because they don't have the Bomber strength to do it conventionally and missile launches will be detected and the Irans can launch thousand s of missiles maybe given the time...

But a single surprise nuke goes off above Iran and POOF, there goes allot of the defense systems to the pulse

so Israel HAD to have these

to strike Iran

and being a jew, I have to say it... I think they are crazy enough to do it and I also think so are the Iranians

I have never been as worried about a Nuclear war in my life as now

based on the monumentally, moronic decisions being made... by Russia, Germany, USA and others

It's like parents taking sides in a child's fight and fighting themselves...



Zero commentary on Germany... But it was a Bad, bad, Bad, Bad mistake to sell them that capacity, newer faster stealthier subs

Nuclear or non Nuclear sub... yes the sub isn't Nuclear powered but it can comfortably launch Nuclear tipped cruise missiles

and Israel had, older subs and in this case we weren't giving them newer subs better equipped for the job, the ones available to them didn't have the same features to make this possible too old, too noisy... lost of reasons


But if Israel launches... it's going to be off those German subs


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:48 PM by blowfishdl
Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by SiONiX


I posted it back the 3 new Submarines Germany sold to Israel are capable of launching Nuclear tipped Cruise missiles





Whoa whoa whoa now buddy lets slow you down for just one minute here...

You said they were trading nukes, not submarines capable of carrying nukes.

Therefor your link of Germany to WW3 and nuclear chaos has been completely debunked by yourself.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 05:54 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl


Your not a parent

Leave it at that, you know nothing until you take the responsibility, so don't make it personal and lecture me, my kids are great.

And my son will have fights ... ordinary ones and he will win some and loose some...

But he goes to school, in a place where he will not be assaulted daily nor do I have to worry about ordinary fights...

This fight with Israel being given guns is no border skirmish it's LIFE or DEATH

and you are making an ordinary circumstance from your example...when the reality would be the comparison of setting up Israel in that location is like sending a white kid to Compton High School

and you'd damn well be responsible for doing that if you did that to a kid

" I know your the only kid of your kind in the whole school son, so here, take my 45...now go be Gangsta"

That's in essence what Israel was given here
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