Strange Encounters : Alor & Pantar islands, Indonesia, 1959

reply to post by sebarud

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THANKS, BUT I'M MORE COMFORTABLE LIKE THIS...

You bring up an interesting point I never have thought of before.

If we found a civilization on another planet how would we have found it besides landing there and running into them?

Chances are by either observing or capturing a signal. If they observed a bunch of youth at that time with collars up, which chances are they would have either due to wanting to look cool or where I'm from it's cold so collars are always turned up to keep warm, they would have tried to blend in and observe.

Taking someone for medical experiments a child as it says would make total sense as smaller normally means easier to control.

Really until that child could be found or located and persuaded to tell the story there is just no way to know what if anything actually happened. Someone needs to find this child assuming there was one.

Well presented post! It makes one very humble to hear of an incident like this, coming from Indonesia. We take too much for granted in this life. Far too often reports from first & second world countries are relied upon, and very seldom from third world ones. It makes one appreciate this post, the researchers, & fortitude of the average poor human being living in a hut.

I can only wonder at the implications should more reports of this kind make their way across hundreds of miles of jungles or mountains. This is the type of report we should be looking for in one respect, because it can not be subdued by technicalities, red tape or government agencies.

A nation's social makeup such as it's culture, ethnicity's, religions, etc. must be factored in as well. It must take a strong & determined individual to drive such a story to light. One has to wonder at the number of incidents that have never made it across a swollen stream or river. The statistics would be staggering!

This particular area of the world is very remote. Only in the past several years have the remains of the "hobbit" been discovered (Flores Island). They supposedly went extinct about 10K years ago.

Thank you for the appreciative words riggs2099..
Yes, I agree it is plausible that the islanders might have 'simply' mistaken the 'metal tube/cylinder(s)' for a gun or something. However, I don't think they are so unfamiliar with ordinary weapons nor military personels as the current technology might provided at that time. Indonesia was hardly a peaceful place back then, with many political strifes and armed conflict raging in the eastern region of the country as can be seen here for example.

Nevertheless, I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to weaponry. If the things the islanders witnessed was indeed weaponry, then I'm really curious whether such weapon-technologies (a metal tube that can paralyze; a clock-like gadget that can show 'virtual/remote' scenery) are actually already available in the 1950's?

reply to post by ziggystar60

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Thank you ziggystar60 ... I remember a post (or was it a thread) that you made sometime ago, about a sighting in Papua Nugini, with a certain priest & some local islanders. Damn! I forgot the title already.
Anyway, this thread is also made in honour of that post/thread you made There are several thousand kilometres separating the 2 place, but the fact that they did 'occured' at around the same time, in 1959, was also one of my motivation to write this Alor case.

And ofcourse, thank you for bumping this thread..

Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by KembaraLangit

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Thanks for taking time reading it too easynow
Yes, I do believe that the islanders are quite familiar with military personels & their weapons, although I'm also curious with the possibility that there might have been some sort of 'military' element in the 'story'...
I'm still trying to dig up more facts, that's for sure.

Couldn't agree more Sky I'm always wondering what kind of 'encounters' or 'sightings' are actually left unknown in other parts of the world. In China; the Korean peninsula; Africa...etc
Is it the lack of 'proper' documentation? Credible witnesses? This story in Alor has been burried even here in its 'own' country for years...Almost nobody cares nor pay attention because 'UFO/Aliens' is somewhat considered a western issue
Thanks for reading this Sky. LOve your threads on Atlantis & Untersberg



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Thank you for pointing out some of my 'possible' shortcomings with this thread..

As far as tourism goes, I'm really not here to sell anything. The only reason I made referrences to Bali & Lombok as tourism magnets is to emphasize the fact that this place is quite remote & unknown by many people. Not just foreigners like yourself, but even to local Indonesians like myself.

As for the picture, I agree that it is not a good one Nor do I ever claim (if you read the OP carefully) that they are the most accurate depiction of the possible EBEs encountered by the islanders, in 1959. I post them simply because they are part of the original Wiki entry made by Nur Agustinus from BETA UFO. It wasn't his drawing either, but a drawing by an unknown artist from a recount of the story in a local youth/teenager magazine -Kuncung back in early 1980's, that Nur managed to scan from an old n' crumpled copy that he still has.

And of course, living up to the motto of ATS that I love, if you think it is ignorant to S or F or even say something good about this post, because it is too impossible, feel free to do so. I don't & will never claim to know the whole truth of the matter, as I wasn't there at the time to begin with anyway

reply to post by The Parallelogram

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Many thanks for reading the OP Parallelogram
I share the same hope to see more stories coming out of the virtual woodwork, of sightings/encounters from the less known parts of the world...I'll be trying my best to bring more strange informations from this part of the world.
Wish someone would write from the Mongolian Gobi deserts, the Himalayans (isn't there an ATS member up there now?)..The Pakistani-Indian borders..Africa etc.

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I'm still trying to locate the'child' too. Thank you for reminding just how important that is Darthorious Also for the plausible reason for the strange attire.

As for the artist's picture, as I mentioned before, in one of the post before this, it was never meant to give a completely accurate depiction of the possible EBEs. It was just the only 'material' I had to work with when preparing and researching everything. If anyone can make a better one, I would have love to use it.

p.s. An Elvis concert Jay-in-AR? They forgot the big glasses & guitar then! ..


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Thank you for the heads up Ferengi
Never heard of that before? Hope you can share some more info on it
That island is indeed quite remote, and isn't easy to traverse, as an official gov. site explains here (and NO, I'm not promoting tourism )

Originally posted by prototism



Yes, it is quite true about the islanders relative isolation. Even up till now, except around the island's capital, the situation is still quite sadly pretty much unchanged. As I quote a site's account of it ...


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I wish I could show this comment to Mr. Salatun or Alnadad themselves..They are IMO the ones that really deserve all the credits for bringing this information out. Thank you DREAMING MAN for sparing your time reading this

Thanks ArMaP. I share the same hope as you... I'm particularly interested now, on whether other similar cases around South East Asia or the Pacific, might have to do with certain minerals?? The idea struck my curiosity after reading this:


www.nationmaster.com...

Has there been any sighting/encounter cases around mineral-rich areas? Or is it the volcanic terrain of the islands????

Just a thought to the topic... I lived in Indonesia in the early 1990's and travelled across a number of islands in the archipelago. Even in 1990 going into Kupang as a foreigner was strange for the locals. 1965 was the year of living dangerous due to the communist push across the island nation. This have been brewing much earlier and certainly in 1959. Perhaps we may have here a case of a foreign government having people on the ground (dare I mention the CIA word or equivalent) who were heavily engaged in searching out communist activities across the region at that time. I think a team of trained paramilitary, with uniforms and full kit would certainly look out of place, and to local villagers, they probably looked from outer space. You need to remember around this time, the USA, the Brits and the Australians were very active in the region and most of their activities were not above board, and they would certainly be "aliens" to these islanders... just a thought..

great thread and post

I wonder how many other stories are out there. 50 years is a long period and i bet there're many other slightly "different" stories about this.

And thanks again for the effort

I worked in Indonesia for a while, and I can inform members here that there is plenty of ufo activity there that either goes unreported or is given very light coverage. This is because the Indonesians, being Muslims, did not until recently, believe in ufos. When something resembling ufos was seen, it was always attributed to jins ( spirits ), and the whole matter promptly forgotten. This situation has served the aliens very well. They have set up big bases in several parts of Indonesia. There is an undersea base between the islands of Jawa and Kalimantan. Ferries generally ply between these two islands, and hundreds of passengers have seen ufos emerge from the sea and fly off in this area. These ufos do not give a damn about being discovered, and take off with impunity day and night in this location. There was a case where one took off so close to a small boat, that the wake generated nearly capsized the boat. It seems quite certain that the aliens have a major undersea base in this region that is worth investigating.

There are a couple of cable specials tonight (Monday Nov. 24) on the SciFi channel called "UFO's above Earth".

Looks really good and has some info on close encounters.

I'll be checking it out. Sure are a lot of shows of late dealing with this subject. This one should be interesting

Time to set Tivo

reply to post by Darthorious

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Eh, I posted that completely in jest. I doubt that they were trying to "blend in." The RED skin gives them away.

I still think it is silly to try and debunk something because the thing in question fits a stereotype. Especially when it comes to something like otherworldly visitors.