This is purely personal opinion, I haven't done any real research to back it up, it's just something I've been kicking around the back of my head for while and I finally decided to write it all down. I realize that many of you will feel differently, and may think that I'm absolutely crazy (I might just agree with you :-)). I just hope that you will read this with an open mind and discuss this respectfully.
Just to let you know as well, I'm using Dragon NaturallySpeaking to write this all down. I'm pretty new to the program and it is still learning how I speak. So please forgive any glaring grammatical errors, I've proofread this a few times, but it's still quite possible that some errors get through; especially considering that I am far from a competent writer.

First, let me tell you what I do believe. I believe that there are people working in the background; a "shadow government" if you will. I think they come from every corner of the private sector, from defense contractors to television networks and everything in between. I believe that these people exist at every level of government, from city councils up to the presidency of the United States. I believe they control the outcomes of elections, influence legislation, control the media, control the economy, control the markets, and generally do what ever they can to get as rich as possible regardless of the effects on the people, environment, economy etc..

I don't believe however, that they're looking to actually take over the world, instituting a totalitarian regime to control every aspect of our lives, and turning us into slaves. To me that just doesn't make sense. They already have their hands in everything; they already control us. They keep the general populace apathetic, numb our minds with numerous drugs both legal and illegal, dumb down our education system, keep us entertained and unaware with mindless television programming, and they keep us afraid, afraid of everyone and everything that is different.

So I ask myself why? Why do they need to take over the world? They already have everything; they have the money, the politicians, the power, and an apathetic populace. Taking over the world only means more work for them. It also puts them out in the open for all of us to see. Why take that chance? They can sit in the background, in the shadows and reap all the rewards with very little risk. The people go on believing they're free, and that the government cares about them and their families. The only real discussion regarding them takes place on conspiracy forums such as this, where the mainstream regards us as paranoid and crazy. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the feed us a lot of the information about the coming takeover as a way to keep us from looking too closely at the real issues.
It's perfect for them, and there is no reason for them to take it any further... To be quite frank, our discussions of when, why, how and where they will take over are frivolous because they already have taken over.

Very nice read.

A co-worker and I have been mashing the same idea into the ground. But, you have to remember one thing..

He who has power, only craves one thing... more power.

Even a super rich member of any shadow government gets bored. Thus the start of new wars. At some point, they will slip and fall, like all great empires.

History has a crude way of repeating itself, like an addict.

-Cio

Originally posted by NoArmsJames
It's perfect for them, and there is no reason for them to take it any further... To be quite frank, our discussions of when, why, how and where they will take over are frivolous because they already have taken over.

Well, politicians are starting to say "New World Order" in their speeches and interviews. And they are talking about a one world currency.

There is no reason for them to take it any further, but I assure you, they will.

Well said, good fellow. You have highlighted a weakness in the New World Order argument. I, too, have tossed this dilemma around in my head. A crucial element in retaining the power that those behind scenes have is secrecy. Secrecy, in fact, may be the biggest factor. As you said, they already have everything - money, power, uninformed/misinformed public, etc. It's just covert control.

However, if they were to go overt with it, I believe that the grip they would have on everything would loosen. It is indeed powerful to reveal to the entire world that your longtime fascist conspiracy has finally come to fruition and that you now control everything.

On the other hand, it is more powerful to keep its establishment covert. Making it official to the entire world is a death nail for their fascist agenda. A force never seen in the history of Mankind would rise up against it and eventually annihilate it.

The most powerful element is its secrecy. It's their "plausible deniability" - because surely anyone who has half of a brain would determine such a conspiracy to be totally implausible (as they think). They really have no reason to be open about it. They have greater success because of its secrecy. Because not only can they take our freedoms away, they can take our money, our livelihood and our life, as well.

And they don't have to tell anyone about it. They can just do it with nothing ever being heard about it. What John Q. Public doesn't know won't hurt him. And if he did know it, he wouldn't understand it. Because, as they think, John Q. Public is inferior. He's dumber. He's not enlightened. He's too emotional. He can't be trusted to run the world's affairs. That's why God put us NWO elites here. Society is lost without us.

Just wanted to say great post and flagged. Good job !

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I think the surgence of the term new world order has been placed in subconscious for a reason. I think that we create the world as we in the way think it. I think we are being programmed to create this society for them. Why would people like the Alex Jones's of the world be able to expose the Powers that be and still be alive?

For the people to stay in power they have to keep us in constant fear.

I agree with the initial statement OP. I too don't believe in the NWO. It isn't here yet, and I doubt that will ever be here no matter what the ones who would seek its implementation might think. The historical record is a good indication of what happens when someone makes a run for the world throne.

Originally posted by schiass
I think the surgence of the term new world order has been placed in subconscious for a reason. I think that we create the world as we in the way think it. I think we are being programmed to create this society for them. Why would people like the Alex Jones's of the world be able to expose the Powers that be and still be alive?

For the people to stay in power they have to keep us in constant fear.

Ahhh yes... true wisdom with this post.

Let me elaborate with a quote.

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

So what is he saying? He's saying that your enemy is also those that defend the powers that Be.

They are the infastructure to keep these people in power, and they will do anything to defend that this system stays alive.

The enemy is not nessasarily the person on top of the pyramid, but the people they control on the bottom of the pyramid as well.

That is how the NWO works. It's supported by the sheep.

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

And people think that because it's just a movie, it's not real.

They do this all the time with movies for that reason. Tell the truth in a movie, and nobody will ever believe it when they hear it later on.

It was done so that you will die and they will live, they are the superior race, you are not, you are a slave that does what you have to to make sure they stay alive.

If you want some good information on what they have done, read the book "old world secrets the omega project codes". Best book ever written on the subject.

NoArmsJames, what you are saying is very illogical.

They have gotten this far only because there is no such thing as enugh for some people. If you have 1 country, you want 2. If you have 2, you want 3 e.t.c

When you have all the politicians, you want all the people. When you have all the people, you want their minds. This obviously can go on forever and it will as long are power hungry people make the rules and we play the game.

Good read, but Im afraid there is plenty of things to control in the future. With a world government, they will be able to keep the entire planet in the dark about what is going on outside the planet, in other solar systems and so on. And that is not counting covering up whats going on here on this planet. Controlling that info will be extremely easy. You wont even hear rumours about secret new weapon systems, robotics, genetics, mind control, weather control, kidnappings, experiments etc.

Everywhere where people dont have insight there is enormous lies and corruption going on. NASA, the governments, the military industrial complex etc etc.

So if you want more of that, vote world government I guess.


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I think you are contradicting your conclusion by saying they already have control, but do not.

Well if they are already in control of everything, and through everything, then the NWO already exsists..it is just not highlighted and limelighted like hot dogs and baseball are..if it was..then it would be precieved as exsisting.


There is such a thing as subliminal reality..reality that is there, but somewhat shaded with window dressing and chirping birds....for the weak minded of course.


Cheers!!!!

Thank you for a nice piece of common sense and scepsis. Pure hypothetically, "they" would want a guaranteed control over the planetary resources also in the future, once "they" established the NWO during some time here.

Have you ever tried to publish your political views, other than "republican-democratic" in the mainstream press?

Originally posted by NoArmsJames
This is purely personal opinion, I haven't done any real research to back it up...

Nobody here is going to ask you to believe anything that you haven't personally researched first. I guess you know about what might be even more important than the New World Order, it is the fact that we are indeed living the last days of the Old World Order, which isn't much to praise either.

Originally posted by Cio88
...you have to remember one thing..

He who has power, only craves one thing... more power...

-Cio

Hi Cio,

There may be one other thing that those who today rule the world, the Illuminati want. They have money, they have power, why not give us a break?

Maybe because they crave "AdrenalChrome", the Elite Illuminati drug that they can only get through secret society ritual sacrifices. It is hard to get ahold of that stuff without pyramidal control of satanistic secret orders.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Well if they are already in control of everything, and through everything, then the NWO already exsists..it is just not highlighted and limelighted like hot dogs and baseball are..if it was..then it would be precieved as exsisting.

I sort of agree and sort of don't. When I think of the NWO I think of the end game; total overt control through some totalitarian regime.

When I say they have control now, I mean they have it covertly. The vast majority of people still believe they are free and in control, which makes them easier to control. That, at least to me is not the New World Order.

I guess it all comes down to what ones definition of "is" is