Scientists take a step closer to an elixir of youth with "IMMORTAL CELLS"

reply to post by mattifikation

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I understand completely, and I sympathize with those thoughts.

The things is; the alleviation of bodily and cognitive suffering goes hand in hand with the progression towards clinical immortality (life longevity). In other words, you live forever because your body/brain is perpetually youthful (getting hit by a light sabre might still be unrecoverable ). This is the direction the research and development is heading. No fountains or vampire bites.

reply to post by spitefulgod

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Spiteful, I'm glad you brought that up (free radicals)...

If anybody is interested.. This new substance looks fantastic
it is the main ingredient in wine/red Grapes responsible for the anti-oxidant/free radical benefits of red wine and the animal studies look phenomenal...
Link here to resveratrol news

BUT PLEASE NOTE: I have also just found out that resveratrol SHOULD NOT be taken with the Astragalus because one inhibits the other. You need to take thse at different times of the day, or alternate days.

I also just found out that resveratrol is better absorbed when taken with quercetin.

Five to ten minutes before, it's mandatory to take quercetin, say about 500mg. The reason why is to prevent conjugation of the resveratrol in the intestines and liver. The compounds which attach to resveratrol need to first be saturated by something else then, like quercetin. Quercetin will soak up the binding compounds and help the resveratrol to pass through the liver without being chemically modified. If no quercetin is taken, likely all the resveratrol will be modified.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by ATS4dummies]

I can't say I'm for inmortality at this time. Or any time in the near future. Because, there are better things to invest our effort in. I mean...we're not the greatest thing for the world to have around forever. I'm not saying we're not supposed to or it's unnatural, but things do end. This endeavor, while it might be done with the best of intentions, is a little immature of us as a species. We haven't even colonized other planets, and this one is getting smaller and nastier by the decade. There is still famine, and in other places culinary arts. There is still poverty, and in other places gold toilets. War, inequality, injustice, not saying get rid of em all together, just work on it, with the same resources as other things. While quality of life is better than before...it can get worse. Knowledge, history and culture has been lost before. I'm not saying it would be a bad thing. Just that we want to live forever healthy, and damn the rest. We fear death, I get it. But we don't know what it means really. We can describe scientifically, but though we're sure we can get around that 'design flaw', no one knows why EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING DIES. boo. Yes, it's scary, but I don't want to tell my children's children's children that granpappy's generation couldn't really leave em a cleaner planet, better society or most of the wildlife that used to be around cause they had to make their teeth whiter, create better penile enhancement drugs, tinier cell phones, make lots of money and find a way to live forever...so we could meet them all. Maybe dying is like paying back what you borrowed to able to goof around all this time. Gimme better humans, without taking away the human part, then you can make em live forever. If not, let's just all get together and agree to change species. Humans living forever is not good for anyone or anything, even humans.

Oh Heck, while I am at it I might as well mention this:

Antioxidants in Pomegranate Juice May Fight Hardening of the Arteries



[edit on 23-11-2008 by ATS4dummies]

That's just it. If people lived for hundreds of more years they would be that much more wise and educated and experienced.

That much more equipped to solve all the issues you listed

Including the colonizations of space

Or they are the same rich people who make the same mistakes over and over in order to maintain their wealth for their eternal life..

If they do come up with a way to extend the lifespan, what makes you think that it will be available to you?

reply to post by SpacePunk

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That's actually the most important question Not a matter of 'if', but 'who'.

The People need to take the Power back, otherwise we will probably just be ruled by immortal overlords.

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reply to post by serbsta

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I am sure we can live 1000 years plus... Does it really make sense that turtles can out live us by 300 years ??? and parrots by 50??? somthing or someone has suppresed our lives...You can start with enviromental factors .. like pollution,stress, poisoned food.. once you eliminate that... I wouldnt be surprised if we could live 150 easy.. next step would be manipulating our genetics so that our cells don't start dying over time... and also this.. Good find op

reply to post by thefreepatriot

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I've read (a while back) studies that suggest our life spans from a genetic standpoint is between 140 - 160 y/o. That's if you get all the nutrients your body needs every dingle day and you don't stand on a landmine. I think its based on the principle of unwinding DNA.

I wonder if it will make you end up like Vamp from the Metal Gear Solid series?

i agree with others, theres no way this will be availble for the average joe.

does it really matter how long people live for as long as they die of natural causes and not by avoidable means or somebody elses evil intent. its very hard to comprehend the end, most people picture it as black. but i'm stuggling to find any evidence or examples of nothingness. there is something everywhere even outside our viewable sight, where is nothingness? and why do people assume there is nothing after death when there is no evidence of it anywhere?

believing in nothing after death is more bizarre than believing in life after death. at least there is evidence of life or something being everywhere, there is no evidence of nothingness anywhere, except in our minds and people imagine that to be a color. if there was evidence of nothingness then maybe i would want one of those pills.

so who cares i'd rather live out my life here and then see what i become/where i go/what i experience once i'm dead. it's not like this planet is worth experiencing anyway, i'd rather take the chance i'd go on to experience something better, whilst everybody here are robbing eachother for greed, and killing eachother because they have been told to by somebody who told them they are enemies. valuable lessons learnt but some outgrow the same old same old. so no pill for me, if i ever did have a choice. imagine 500 decades of recycled same old same old, but with slighty better technology each time.

yawn, besides if the PTB allowed people to live that long people would cotton onto the recycled tactics of manipulation over each century. i doubt they would allow that, they need to shaft each generation not the same one forever.



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No vampire bites? You just took the fun out of it completely.

Can I opt for vampire bites? Or at least, the fangs?

reply to post by thefreepatriot

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Yeah, because you know, lifespans haven't been increasing as technology, medicine, industry, and education have been substantially improved... you know, in modern times in industrialized nations with all our pollution and big pharma and what-not.

Not to say that the current way we live our lives is optimal, or even expressly healthy, but medical and forensic history is clear. We live much longer now than we did 100 years ago. 500 years ago. 100,000 years ago. Even if it could be substantiated that modern living shortens our potential lifespans, the society we live in allows us to live much longer on average before succumbing to disease, barbarism, accidents, infant mortality, etc.

Not to say that you are intrinsically wrong in your statement, but that you're horribly oversimplifying the situation. We can definitely make improvements in our environments, diets, and habits to help extend our lives... but we're far better off where we are now, than where humanity was at any time in our known history.

Uh... also... not all animals are set to the same biological aging clock. You can't point to turtles as an example of how humanity is poisoning itself. It doesn't work that way. Imagine the horribly stressful and polluted lives that fruit flies must lead as they only live 24 hours! (Not an accurate statement of their lifespans, but you get my drift.)

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Lasheic]

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Death?
No, I like it here, where everything is.

For as long as humans have lived, we continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. This is because after one generation dies, the next forgets history and repeats the same mistakes, it's a never ending circle.

If people lived longer, we would have a more mature generation, who are more likely to not repeat it's past mistakes, and will learn from it, evolve from it, mature from it.

Imagine a world where people can spend all the time they want on certain subjects, becoming knowledgeable beyond any person today, becoming wiser, imagine what Einstein could have accomplished if he lived for hundreds of years. Imagine what YOU could accomplish. Imagine...

Most humans become depressed because of stress, most of the time this stress comes from the fact we never have enough time to accomplish what we want. We are in a rush to get that degree, get that job, get that family etc etc.

With more time, humans can actually feel more relaxed and happy.

A lot of people think we need to change. In my opinion this is the change humanity needs for us to finally have the time to grow up.

Even with longer lifespans we will all eventually die somehow. If we move on to a better place, it wont matter how long you spent on earth, because yesterday feels like a dream. Time is like a dream The only moment that feels real is now.



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