Recent UFO Laser Beams Camera Effect Proved!, page 2
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 01:48 PM by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by highlander2008



Sorry highlander, but you and I both know you are lying.

I don't have a mobile phone with a camera, but I do own five digital cameras, and four 35mm film cameras. Two of the digital cameras have CCDs and the rest are CMOS.

I've seen many sensor artifacts before, but never anything remotely like this, and it makes no sense as a sensor artifact. A sensor would not do that under any circumstances, let alone pointing it at a puny little light in the distance.

Come clean now - I've had enough of playing games with you, and I have much better things to do.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 01:52 PM by Akezzon
reply to post by C.H.U.D.



Yeah, but that is what I mean. Spikes goes in two directions from the source. Not just one way as it did on OP's clip. But then again....I am no camera expert.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:00 PM by highlander2008
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
reply to
post by highlander2008



Sorry highlander, but you and I both know you are lying.

I don't have a mobile phone with a camera, but I do own five digital cameras, and four 35mm film cameras. Two of the digital cameras have CCDs and the rest are CMOS.

I've seen many sensor artifacts before, but never anything remotely like this, and it makes no sense as a sensor artifact. A sensor would not do that under any circumstances, let alone pointing it at a puny little light in the distance.

Come clean now - I've had enough of playing games with you, and I have much better things to do.




Then street lamps must be firing lasers too. End of my contribution to this thread.



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 06:03 PM by highlander2008
Originally posted by ArMaP
Originally posted by highlander2008
I have about five other videos all showing the same, sometimes white streaks, sometimes red appear. No idea why I am not a camera expert, but they do.
Could you upload your videos to a site that does not convert them to the useless Flash video format, like YouTube does?

A site like
SaveFile or FileFactory, for example, so we can see the original files?

Thanks.


Sure no problem....the original file from the phone is here

www.savefile.com...

and another

www.savefile.com...

In the second the flash appears white not red, no idea why. You can see a car pass along the street in this shot.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by highlander2008]

[edit on 24-11-2008 by highlander2008]


reply posted on 26-11-2008 @ 02:41 PM by C.H.U.D.
It isn't a artifact produced by the camera, and I intend to prove it.

The OP said he used a Nokia 6300 which has a still/video camera that uses a 2MP CMOS sensor according to
here and here.

According to that last URL the camera/sensor is nothing special (hardly surprising):
Camera. This handset has 2mpx camera (CMOS) which is not that much according to today’s standards, but it is still pretty enough for a middle class model. Nokia decided not to bet on camera part, it is more of an optional feature. This is why camera’s module that was selected for 6233 is one of the cheapest, and provides average quality, if not to say bad one.


So the camera on the phone is probably used in many other likely older phones, and not just the Nokia 6300. Nokia basically threw it in there - this is certainly no "product main feature" boasting revolutionary advances in picture quality.

It has a sensor that is also nothing special. These things are made in large volume by companies like Sony, Samsung, and Canon. They use proven technology, that basically doesn't change much from sensor to sensor, but the important thing I'm trying to get at here is that sensors are all for the most part quite similar, and they have well known flaws which result in image artifacts.

The only type of artifact that comes even close to looking like what the OP posted is 'blooming', and blooming does not happen with CMOS sensors, only CCDs:

Smear
Smear occurs when a very bright portion of an image causes an entire column of pixels to overload and bloom to white. Here’s an example of vertical smear.
--snip--
Any bright point of light can potentially cause smear; common offenders include street lights and car headlights; it can also happen if the camera is shooting footage of a camera flash, or even the sun. Avoiding smear involves lowering the exposure enough that the bright lights don’t bloom and trigger a column of smearing; stopping down the iris to bring down the brightness of the bright lights can eliminate smear entirely, but also may cause the overall picture to be too dark. Smear is also one of the “dead giveaways” that your production was shot on video rather than on film; film doesn’t “smear” like this. Controlled lighting can eliminate all traces of smear, but in uncontrolled circumstances it’s going to happen. CMOS sensors function differently and are immune to smear.

Source: SENSOR ARTIFACTS AND CMOS ROLLING SHUTTER

'Smearing' or 'blooming' on a CCD sensor:


There are no other artifacts that even resemble this - remember, this is a bog standard camera we are talking about here.

Here are multiple pages listing all the artifacts that can be produced by digital cameras and lenses:
photo.net...
www.kenrockwell.com...
www.dpcorner.com...
csmt.uchicago.edu...

Also, if this was an artifact, then why are none of the other lights in the footage 'reacting' the same way? You would expect lights of the same brightness to have the same effect on the sensor, but they don't! (compare above image to the two below) Even brighter lights in the same image do not create this effect. Why do you think they call it 'CCD overload'!

The lighting being filmed is no where near bright enough from that distance to overload the sensor, and even if it was, it's not a CCD, it's a CMOS sensor, which as I pointed out above is immune to blooming.

Also, anyone that has ever seen blooming knows that it isn't a fleeting occurrence as in the OP's footage. It remains visible whilst the light source stays in the frame and remains above a certain brightness. These street lamps are obviously not changing their brightness in any way.

Here are some screen shots from the OP's second video:



There you have it folks. It can't be the sensor or the camera.

The OP is making this up and trying to hoax us.



[edit on 26-11-2008 by C.H.U.D.]

[edit on 26-11-2008 by C.H.U.D.]


reply posted on 26-11-2008 @ 08:14 PM by C.H.U.D.
Originally posted by ArMaP
Seeing the way the CMOS sensors work, I find it perfectly possible that something (maybe not exactly an overload, but something like that, for example), affects one of the transistors that controls one of the sensor elements and that this is carried down to the other transistors on the same column.


It can't be that, if it was, you'd expect to see it in only column, which you don't. Here's an overlay of the two screen shots I posted previously:


I'll bet the 'red laser' is in another place altogether too... so it's not some random-localized fault as I said before. As a photographer, it just doesn't look like an artifact to me, and I know what I'm talking about here.

It's not a camera problem. I'm 100% sure now - ok, well 99.9999% sure.

OK - I'll tell you guys what...

I'll admit I could be wrong about this if the general consensus on the following forum is that it's possible - there are some much more knowledgeable people than me there - I just hope they see the thread:
photo.net...

Someone else will have to post there, as I'm already a member, and I wish to remain anonymous.

Here's a suggestion for the post.

TITLE:
Could this be sensor overload of some kind?

BODY:
uk.youtube.com...
uk.youtube.com...

As the title says, could this be sensor overload?
The videos above were taken with a Nokia 6300 which has a CMOS sensor, which I thought was immune to 'overload', like it says here: dvxuser.com...

Perhaps it's just someone having a joke?

Thanks for any insight.

--END BODY--

I think that's fair, no?

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