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Topic started on 22-11-2008 @ 04:17 PM by Keyhole
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Congress Opposes Bush Pardons: Bush Pardons of His Own Subordinates for Crimes He Authorized
www.globalresearch.ca
 Here's a resolution, hot off the presses from Jerrold Nadler, Chair of the Constitution Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee:
H.RES.1531,
"Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the President of the United States should not issue pardons to senior members of his
administration during the final 90 days of his term of office," Sponsor: Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] (introduced 11/20/2008). There will be a petition
promoting this resolution, through which you can write to your representative and senators (visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:17 PM by Keyhole
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Well, it seems even congress thinks Bush will start pardoning members of his administration for laws that he might have directed them to break.
It will be interesting to see how this resolution fairs. It's hard to imagine this resolution not passing, that's almost like saying, "we know Bush
authorized them to break law, but we'll let Bush pardon them anyway"!
This resolution, I believe should be passed, their is no way that the president should be able tell his subordinates to do things that are illegal and
then simply pardon them, this is like living above the law, which is something that even the president shouldn't be above!
www.globalresearch.ca
(visit the link for the full news article)
[edit on 11/22/2008 by Keyhole]
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:19 PM by CPYKOmega
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Bush will pay for his crimes as god is my witness.
 He cannot pardon himself only god can.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:22 PM by Keyhole
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Here's a little more from the article!
Congress Opposes Bush Pardons: Bush Pardons of His Own Subordinates for Crimes He
Authorized
Never before has a president pardoned himself or his subordinates for crimes he authorized. The idea that the pardon power constitutionally
includes such pardons ignores a thousand year tradition in which no man can sit in judgment of himself, and the fact that James
Madison and George Mason argued that the reason we needed the impeachment power was that a president might some day try to pardon someone
for a crime that he himself was involved in.
******SKIP******
The problem is the complete elimination of any semblance of the rule of law by pardoning one's own subordinates for crimes you instructed them to
commit.
[edit on 11/22/2008 by Keyhole]
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:58 PM by Lanimilbus
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hopefully this will make everyone feel a little better. Except the innocent dead.
[edit on 22-11-2008 by Lanimilbus]
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 08:04 AM by Lanimilbus
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:24 AM by hinky
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More political crap being driven through a lame duck congress. I didn't see all the uproar about pardons after ol' Billy boy left office until after
the fact.
Pardons are a Presidential power. Congress and the House have no say in the matter. Separation of powers thing, but these Constitutional scholars know
this. Seems like there are still some presidential wannabe's running around trying to get some last minute headlines.
Nothing will become of this as we still have other living Presidents that have some dubious dealings that can come back to bite them.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:28 AM by RFBurns
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God has nothing to do with Wushy Bushy's ways, nor anything to do with providing a pardon.
Lets not forget that the "Patriot Act" also has ways for him (Wushy Bushy et al), provides the means to get off....scott free.
Too bad no one paid any attention to the warnings given back in 2002, and let all this go through because of war on terrorism.
Well there ya go....an eye for an eye and pe for a pit.
No sense in crying about it now. Should have listened....and done something about it in 2004.
Cheers!!!!
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:42 AM by marg6043
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Bush as usual will get away with what he wants and congress will no do a darn thing to stop it.
Remember people that when right after the Iraq Invasion he proclaim and promised that nobody in his administration would be hold accountable for
his mistakes. 
President Bush said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any
administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath.
www.washingtonpost.com...
He made this decision after winning the second elections to this administration, he believe that the people in the nation gave him the vote to do
that.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 10:06 AM by azzllin
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I don't believe any desision by congress or senate or any other group of smarmy individuals will stop justice here, this man is IMO going to become a
prisoner of his own actions.
Do you really think this man will be able to travel around the World with impunity? I think this inhuman bastard is going to be under threat of arrest
no matter where he goes once he is out, and I think he knows it too.
The World hates this man with a vengance, for the things he has done, and the people who have died because he couldn't care less, but others do, it
cant and wont be ignored for ever, you can already see he has lost any respect he ever had if any, he is a disgusting excuse for a Human being, I can
think of a dozen or so murderers who have been executed that I personally would have swapped for this man.
I'm not sorry to say that the day this man is convicted and sentenced to death, is a day i will look forward too, sorry if it offends anyone, but
I've seen to many tears and too much sadness caused by this man, to feel any sympathy for him, I am and always have been a man of Peace & Justice,
but IMO this man needs to be given to the people to deal with, and with the same contempt he has shown everyone else, then we shall see if he believes
your constitution is just a piece of paper or not.
Warn me ban me remove points, when it comes to Humanity, I take it gladly.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 11:15 AM by Keyhole
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reply to post by Lanimilbus
Good video!
Let's just hope that Biden, as VP now, has the opportunity to make sure they go forward with the investigation!
It's like he said in the video, if they do nothing, congress would be setting a precedent that nothing should be done in the future if a president
and his administration (in the future) ever pull the same kind of crap that Bush and his cronies have!
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 09:49 AM by sos37
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The whole story is misleading. Congress is opposing pardons that haven't even happened yet. It's more hating on the right from the liberal left, the
way I see it.
Post again when there's a real story to report on.
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 11:15 AM by Keyhole
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Originally posted by sos37
The whole story is misleading. Congress is opposing pardons that haven't even happened yet.
Opposing the pardons after they were granted would be useless. I see this as preventative maintenance.
The title of the article may be a little misleading, but you have to use the original title of the article.
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 11:25 AM by jam321
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I am astonished that this Congressman seeks to propose this measure for Bush and company for their alleged abused of powers, but says nothing about
Congress. They should look in their own closet before condemning others. If this Congressman actually felt that the cronies were or are guilty of
serious offenses then he should have impeached, subpeanoed, or called for an investigation from day one. I guess none of these are within this
Congressman's power...yeah right.
Amazing how Congress complains about this abuse or criminal activity but did nothing about it.
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reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 10:32 AM by Keyhole
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Another article against the possibility of Bush pardoning himself his administration.
You Cannot Pardon a Crime You Authorized
Never before has a president pardoned himself or his subordinates for crimes he authorized. The closest thing to this in U.S. history thus far
has been Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence. Bush is widely expected to follow that commutation with a pardon. Not only did Libby work
for the White House, but he was convicted of obstruction of justice in an investigation that was headed to the president. Evidence introduced in the
trial, including a hand-written note by the vice president, implicated Bush, and former press secretary Scott McClellan has since testified that Bush
authorized the exposure of an undercover agent, that being the crime that was under investigation.
There are widespread concerns that Bush might pardon other subordinates for various other crimes that he authorized, potentially including
torture, warrantless spying, a variety of war crimes, taking the nation to war on fraudulent evidence, and the abuses of
the politicized Justice Department.
They also go on to mention what options congress might use if Bush tries to pardon himself and others he directed to break the law.
If Bush attempts this, here are possible responses:
1. Immediate impeachment of Bush and Cheney and various pardonees, even if they are out of office. (Here are arguments for the permissibility of such
impeachments: afterdowningstreet.org... )
2. Overturning of the pardons by the new president or by Congress, as Bush's lawyers told him he could do to Clinton's pardon
of Marc Rich, which was a far more minor abuse of the pardon power.
3. Legislation banning self-pardons and pardons of crimes authorized by the president.
4. A Constitutional Amendment banning self-pardons and pardons of crimes authorized by the president.
5. Refusal by the courts to honor the supposed pardons.
6. Prosecution of Bush, Cheney, and their subordinates for their crimes.
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reply posted on 28-11-2008 @ 08:07 PM by mybigunit
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Im glad they oppose it. I hope for the sake of our country that they bring charges on these guys. I will believe in America again if they do. If
they dont then I maintain these guys are all the same.
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