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posted on Apr, 2 2004 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by TexasConspiracyNut
Last week I made a key to a traval trailer that belonged to a couple that came down to the medical center here for cancer treatment at the hospital around the corner from me after he lost it somewhere. They were the most easy going people I met all week. They gave me a check from a place called North Pole and I said where is that, and he said " ask Santa he knows". I cut my phone off and talked to them for about 2 or 3 hours about Alaska. I asked them why they live in such a cold place and the wife said she liked it because it was the only place she ever came accross that she felt close to God.


You run into people as you describe continually here. Some very interesting characters are here, that's for sure.
Know that it is not always cold here. North Pole is an awesome town. The summers in the interior are hot- mild is the norm here in Southcentral area, or the Matanuska Valley where I am.
Won't be long now and i'll be catching the 40 and 50 lb King Salmon side by side with the grizzly bear...I can't wait!
When spring arrives- it is a trip. The trees actually leave up overnight. What a sight! So close--yet it snowed today!
We do not intrude on other peoples business here. The laws are different, too. We haves rights, within the walls of our homes, that most other Americans only dream of.
It is such a boom in Wasilla, AK- did you know that it is one of the fastest growing citys in the nation? Anchorage has basically sold out in the real estate market, especiaaly on entry level homes. Prices have swung sharply upwards in property values, on what is available in Anchorage. And now the growth is spreading to nearby Wasilla and Palmer (where Roosevelt settled the colonists).
My advise to anyone seeking challenge and exitement, along with enlightenment- is what I was told in 1988- "Head North"!



JON

posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 12:53 AM
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If your worried about the NWO leaving the US wont help. Think about what those initials stand for New WORLD Order. That means the whole world not just the US.
The whold damn west is down with it. Unless you plan on living on some deserted island then your probably screwed.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 03:30 AM
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What you are talking about running from is going to be everywhere. What you really need to run from is areas of large populations that can't support themselvesf during a major crisis. Alaska sounds like a good choice.

We can't really fight if it's not clear who the enemy is. Right now we seem to be fighting each other as was mentioned. If there is a crisis we may be fighting each other for food. That's what makes living further away from large populations seem like a better option.


Originally posted by ashesinwinter
I'd love to move to Canada, but don't you have to be rich like a doctor or programmer to be allowed to live in another country? So what choice does a poor class person have?


While having financial resources gives you more options and make the path more comfortable, just because your poor doesn't mean you cannot move somewhere else. All you need is your clothes and a good attitude. Being poor there isn't much different from being poor here and it does have the advantage of not leaving as much behind.


Originally posted by Illmatic67
My ancestors built this country with their bare hands and sweat on their back. It has been corrupted by their master and
soon I wish to return to the land my ancestors roamed FREELY.


I'm not sure what land your refering to. The picture of Mr. X tells me it might be Africa. If so I can tell you it's even worse over there. Though I must say it is one of the most beautiful places I've seen. If there is a NWO they already have most of Africa in it's grip.



[Edited on 3-4-2004 by outsider]



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by TexasConspiracyNut
Us guys down here in Texas are ready for the NWO. I have a 45 Colt 6 shot Buntline revolver with a 8.5" barrel, my favorate, 45-7 shot Combat Comander, 38 Rosi, 12 guage Remington, 460 Weatherby (spelling) rifle with the game on the strap and a 16x power scope, 475 Weatherby pistol with a 4x power scope, a 357 S and W, a 38 S and W, an assortment of smaller weapons. Bring it on NWO. We'll kick you where the sun dont shine. Everyone down here is loaded and waiting. Dont mess with Texas. Thank God I live in Texas and not the U.S. LOL!


Have a bumper sticker on my fridge... "I'm not from Texas, but I got here as fast as I could"!!!!


For those of you who've never been to Texas, I sincerely believe you'd find that it is a whole 'nother country. Why... If you don't count the crappy weather, very high taxes, low wages, high cost of tobacco products, and imposition of the French language in some places ... It might even give Canada a run for the money as a cool place to live.


[Edited on 3-4-2004 by sigung86]



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 03:20 PM
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In response to the Arabs fighting the people who can really help them, Those In Power are having the controlled just exterminate each other, flexing their muscle and doing the work for them so they can own us all.

What's in Antartica?



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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Whats in Antartica? Many things, and would be an ultimate escape. Which you can, for 4 months out of the year Oct through Feb is the summer season there. Check it out ( I did a thread earlier today on the U.S. Antartic Program) Raytheon is on a blitz for hiring, all crafts and trades and helpers too.
Touism is increasing there also. Mmmm, instead of spending our winters in Alaska, my girlfriend and I could opt for summer in Antartica...LOL.
Growth is just beginning in Antartica. Sounds to me as if a boom is on there, also. Click Here
Looking at this option is interesting.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 04:18 PM
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I think many people are missing the point here. It's not about running away and not fighting the revolution. The point is there will be no revolution so if living in a corporate police state is your thing then by all means stay. What I'm trying to say is America is going nowhere fast and if you would rather enjoy freedom then better locations lie elsewhere.

There is only one fundamental problem and that is American culture is permeating every border and as a result, governments will be able to exercise greater power over their people. Still, the best thing to do is get away from the source and enjoy freedom while it still exists.

How this topic took a drastic turn onto the tangent I don't know. But all you people calling the dissenters cowards for not wanting to fight are fooling yourselves. There will be no fight, if there is, everyone is screwed. What if you lose? How drastic would the loss of freedom be then? I'm surprised at the naivety of some of the members' I respect comments. The writing is on the walls, and still you kid yourselves, cling on to that hope that one day the people will rebel, it's better than the Bible for keeping your noses to the grindstone.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 05:18 PM
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One day?

Its already happening the only question is if it will only take ballots or if it will take bullets.

I dont know where you live but here we have already struck down a lot of the more draconion of the attempts to invade our privicy and take away our rights in the courts and the voting booth.

The rest of you can lay down and be whorevers in charges bitch but I will not. And there are hundreds of thousands if not Millions of Americans that feel the same.

The First and more than likely ONLY step that everyone needs to do is VOTE THESE POWER HUNGREY THIEVING BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE.

If they are unemployed they can cause no harm.If the entire country is to #ing stupid to understand this then yes we are doomed but I for one will die a free man not running and crying like a little girl.

Our forefathers understood that this would happen that is why we have the voting process and if that fails the right to bear arms. I bet a lot of people told them the same thing......"a hand full of farmers and shopkeepers cannot stand up to the most powerfull country on earth"

I am glad they were man enough to not listen, I can do no less.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 05:31 PM
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Amuk,

The apathetic people you hope will vote or at least take arms are apathetic for a reason. What will it take for the people to wake up and do something about the morass of beauracracy we call our government? If you look around the world you will see that it takes a varitable atrocity to get people to take some form of action. The population is being conditioned to accept government failure, one day an atrocity committed by todays accounts will be nothing more than a blip on the "national awareness radar." I hate to be so pessimistic ( you are the optimist in this case) but I can't help but observe my peers, who will one day control this nation.

As I wait for my chance to vote for the first time (in national elections), I can't help but predict the outcome to be completely insignificant in it's effect on the state of current society.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by insite
Amuk,

The apathetic people you hope will vote or at least take arms are apathetic for a reason. What will it take for the people to wake up and do something about the morass of beauracracy we call our government? If you look around the world you will see that it takes a varitable atrocity to get people to take some form of action. The population is being conditioned to accept government failure, one day an atrocity committed by todays accounts will be nothing more than a blip on the "national awareness radar." I hate to be so pessimistic ( you are the optimist in this case) but I can't help but observe my peers, who will one day control this nation.

As I wait for my chance to vote for the first time (in national elections), I can't help but predict the outcome to be completely insignificant in it's effect on the state of current society.



But at least you tried.


That is the difference



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 05:50 PM
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Amuk,

So you understand how frustration would lead to a personal exodus? Leaving the nation in itself is a political stand. Your family and freinds are affected by a move. They wonder why, when you tell them you bring awareness. Hopefully, your family members and friends will take a different stand: "Leaving isn't necessary, in fact it's the easy way out and I'm going to prove X wrong, we can change things around here!" In this case, it requires people to leave in order for real change to be realised, or at least contemplated.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by insite
Amuk,

So you understand how frustration would lead to a personal exodus? Leaving the nation in itself is a political stand. Your family and freinds are affected by a move. They wonder why, when you tell them you bring awareness. Hopefully, your family members and friends will take a different stand: "Leaving isn't necessary, in fact it's the easy way out and I'm going to prove X wrong, we can change things around here!" In this case, it requires people to leave in order for real change to be realised, or at least contemplated.



I am sorry I just cannot go with it myself.

Every man must make and live with his own choices. I am not saying I would never leave hell my family has been kicked out of every decent country in the world but it would be my last choice not my first. What is happening now is just a ripple, nothing big, if someone can not make a stand against this I do not want them as a neighbor.

Sometimes a man has to take it on the chin (WW2, The American Revolution, The Civil War) for what he believes in.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Journey
Many Americans take what we have for granted, especially youth of today. Do not say you wish to leave America until you at least visited another country, third world preferably.
On another note, residing in any large city would be out for me, especially these days and times. And it is something to take in consideration in planning the steps and directions one might wish to take. You can run all your life if you wish- if you born American than that is what you are. You will stand out in the crowds. Europeans scoff at Americans, because most of us only speak English, just as some Americans may be capable of saying about Spanish speaking immigrants, for example. No need to discuss Middle Eastern perceptions. I could go on and on but that direction is not neccesary.
To plan the future you have to have to have enviroment- one that will provide and support in case or catostophic event(s). What I like about Alaska is that it is unique in location, the state is huge- and our population is low. We have all the natural resources and wildlife to subsist. Many people here shun society and live off the land. At the same time our small citys are all convienent. Heck, you can still homestead land here. The State of Alaska evens pays out money, annually, to every man, woman and child- Known as the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend. Last year was a little over 1400.00$ U.S.
Our economy is truly booming. Many are moving here from the 'Lower 48'. The Pioneer Spirit is still existent, believe me. If you are foreign, no problem. Alaska has a very culturally diverse population. And the local Anchorage INS office is not overwhelmed with processing- as with other centers.
Wages are high here- you can make money in this state. Oppurtunity continuosly presents itself to you here. Our summers are so beautiful- vegtables grow so fast and big. 80 lb heads of cabbage are not uncommon.
Yet, I can still drive 10 miles or so up the highway and get out of my car and walk in the woods- quite likely where no man has stepped before.
Yes, it gets cold in winter. But the auroras are sure beautiful! And the winter is beauty in it's own way. It does'nt stop us though, just slows us down a little-
Oh yeah- igloos are just a common misconception of the masses. There are none. A guy built an ice hotel in Fairbanks this winter though- the State Fire Marshall tried to shut it down ,lol, seriously...But the public would'nt have it!
If you seek oppurtunity- it is here...in a very unique and growing economy. And one can be secure in knowing what the surrrounding vast environment has to offer.


Thank you, Journey, for summing my arguement up in a nutshell.

In about six or 7 years, my signifigant other wishes to leave the UK, I and have suggested A;aska. If I was not already terribly fond of him, Id have moved up there a good 3 years ago. Homesteading and living off the land....a life I dreamed of, growing up in big city ghettos as a minority. regardless, i shall end up there some day.

But I agree. America is the last place to go, and if youre American, you really cant go anywhere else. Youre stuck here. But we still have places to run, even here, where the threat of the NWO, corruption, the foul pollution of the cities, and the rot and decay of society, have not touched it. Even in the lower 48, we have wide open beautiful deserts, high steppes, mountains, woodlands, that no one dares live in. Plenty of places to run within this country.

I suggest staying and relocating someplace not corrupted by society. Great spots to raise kids.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
But I agree. America is the last place to go, and if youre American, you really cant go anywhere else. Youre stuck here. But we still have places to run, even here, where the threat of the NWO, corruption, the foul pollution of the cities, and the rot and decay of society, have not touched it. Even in the lower 48, we have wide open beautiful deserts, high steppes, mountains, woodlands, that no one dares live in. Plenty of places to run within this country.

I suggest staying and relocating someplace not corrupted by society. Great spots to raise kids.


I don't understand though. Between leaving the USA and relocating to some place that may as well not be USA, what is the difference?

Amuk, I completely understand your position. However, I think democracy has a better chance in a nation not quite so large in terms of population, it's not that I don't want to fight the revolution, it's just that I don't believe we'll ever have one.



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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Skadi ,
Until you come- you can keep an eye on things at this site
webcambiglook.com...



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by sigung86

Have a bumper sticker on my fridge... "I'm not from Texas, but I got here as fast as I could"!!!!


For those of you who've never been to Texas, I sincerely believe you'd find that it is a whole 'nother country. Why... If you don't count the crappy weather, very high taxes, low wages, high cost of tobacco products, and imposition of the French language in some places ... It might even give Canada a run for the money as a cool place to live.


[Edited on 3-4-2004 by sigung86]


Ugh, Texas is a dump... God, I remember driving from Bush Intercontinental, driving down 45 towards galveston and thinking, why do people live in this wasteland? It's just autobody shop after porno shop after strip club after good year tire after taco cabana for like 30 miles...it never ended lmao... The only place I really thought was cool in texas was the river walk in San Antonio, that's really cool..but other than that, forget about it.

Victoria Island in B.C. is my choice...and I love the cold
(and the reefer
)



posted on Apr, 3 2004 @ 10:00 PM
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I know it's NWO. But for the sake of enjoying what little freedom is left, I wish I could be up in Canada and not here in the backwoods of this redneck state, which is its own self-contained mini-NWO by the way. Hahah, but seriously, I have been thinking of an unpopulated place where I could go to survive the 'end of the world', somewhere that you could get by living off of natural resources, even if it's ice fishing for breakfast. *hint, hint*



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:25 PM
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C'est La Vie...... There are people from all over that would gladly replace you over in US... Well there are countries with dictatorship kind of ruling. Whilst you are concern over certain treats others are bogged down by whole load of rules and laws that sometimes stifle the society in certain ways.
At least I know that is good about US though.. where can you find a place where a film star can choose to run for governor where his credential mainly stems from acting? The Amercian dream indeed that draws so many to her!
I am from Singapore.... imagine... if you have been sagregated in your youth by the educational system just because they needed more cheap labour and also in the National Service call (Surviving the 2.5 years of military duty, where the rich man's son are given privilidges by having a white horse stamp on their personal dockets and not on yours) whereby you do more than those special branded ones! If one of those white horses reports late, they get away with it, however, the others gets into prisons just because the officers have the right to do it even if it the first mistake. If you are a Permanent Resident over here, you fight for the UNION in the airlines and you get your PR revoked!
Think about how lucky you are where options are what you make out to be not what has been pathed out to you by them and propaganarised to be the only way when you ask questions! Thats other countries for you. What looks good on the outside may not be good on the inside. But one thing for sure I admire the freedom that one has if one is in US.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 06:50 PM
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Eh i was referring to Singapore when mentioning looking good on the outside... crime free to a certain degree and looking prosperous against the third world countries, it is after all an elitist country where the few are favoured as there was once a great exodus where ppl migrated out of Sg during the 1985 bad state of economy and currently more are trying to leave since the economy takes a turn, there is no such thing as "Living your life" over here. China once mentioned that Singapore is a freak of a nation that has least of nationalism as the ppl are bounded by economic growth. Current status is Singapore GOV propagandaring that ppl should not leave the country because they were borned here. Chuckle but they made it feel like it is not the ppl's country. In Sg it is " rule by law" not rule with law.

As with regards to the White Horse issues because of the rumour, the Gov stand is that they created white horse status to ensure they are not given more priviledges, what a whole load of crap... and as usual the newspaper being the Gov newsletter printed it out loudly.



posted on Apr, 4 2004 @ 07:13 PM
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A very unique response from Inno- and one that should make many think.
It is different in Singapore. I have been to your country twice, Inno. Even had surgery had GlenEagle Hospital.
Remember when the Philipino maid was hanged? That was during my last visit to your country. Oh yeah, at the same time there were a couple of drug dealers hung also. Caught the last minute or so on the local news broadcast.
Singapore does not tolerate crime, and overall is a very unique society. They do exploit people from third world areas though for their labor force. Correct me if I remember wrong- A maid for example gets one day a month off, on Sunday. The rest of the time she is in servitude.




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