How Obama Got Elected

reply to post by Solo954
i like your avatar too.

lol

Originally posted by plumranch

I mean heck I'm a Communist and I voted for Obama. Not because he's anything close to anything I believe in but because I know there's so much work to do and we have to do it together.

reply to post by LittlePinky82

 

Hi Pink,

Well heck, since you're a communist and I see you are good buds with brother Castro, why don't you go down to Cuba and enjoy the good Cuban life? Castro would embrace a fellow communist and you could live in social bliss for a few years. Castro would probably slip you a few extra pasos every month so you could live above the poverty level that the rest of his citizens are forced to suffer! Why spend your life in mizery up here in relative political freedom thanks to Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower, Teddy Rosevelt, Abraham Lincoln and other Conservatives? Just wondering..

1) I have family here. This is where my life is. Plus the U.S. has made that illegal. Michael Moore went down to Cuba with some 9/11 rescue workers for his "Sicko" movie and the U.S. government went #ing nuts. The YCL has been down there lots of time and always have had a positive experience.

2) LOL at George Bush being involved in political freedom. Wow now that's full of #. George Bush has taken away more freedom than anyone can imagine. Oh and Abraham Lincoln took away heabus corpes and also made it illegal to criticize him. Yeah that's political freedom. And the U.S. government has made it illegal for me to even be a member of the Communist Party. Yeah that's political freedom. You're full of #.

Oh and what the # does your post have to do with what I said? Nothing. Conservatives like you are just full of #.

reply to post by LittlePinky82


Youve got a lot of #'s. i would tone it down a little.

Originally posted by jsobecky
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Originally posted by LittlePinky82
Also the whole Joe Biden and plagiarism thing is just b.s. He time and time again throughout that campaign credited who he was quoting except one time and he corrected the mistake like the next day. Also Bill Ayers was never convicted of a crime and I don't believe he ever served any crime either. If he was still such a terrorist like Sarah Palin kept claiming why didn't anyone call the FBI?

I take it you are a Obama supporter.

What is worse than not knowing the answers to candidate positions is ignoring the truth about them.

Do you seriously think that Ayers was not a terrorist?

Here's a riddle: Who said this:

“Guilty as Hell, Free as a Bird, America is Great…” -

Here's a hint: A picture of him standing on the American flag.




[edit on 23-11-2008 by jsobecky]

Hon there's a difference between voting for Obama and being a supporter. Being a supporter donates time, money, resources to his campaign. I did not. I am a Communist. My party doesn't run people anymore and hasn't had a presidential candidate since Gus Hall and Angela Davis in the 90s so now in elections I vote for someone who at least is sane and isn't a rightwing religious freak. Why do you think I give two #s about Bill Ayers? He isn't running for anything is he? He isn't involved in an Obama administration nor his presidential campaign. Get over it. I thought you conservatives loved freedom and freedom of speech. You're just all proving what a bunch of hypocritical babies you are. You are so childish it's pathetic. And you apparently wouldn't know the truth if it hit your dumb ass.

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
ALL THESE DEMOCRATIC REPLIES MEAN,is that education does not help in making sound decisions.
the people who are stating their negative opinions about barak,SIMPLY DON'T LIKE OR TRUST HIM. SO AS SOUTHERN GUARDIAN SAID,"GET USED TO IT."
and he did prey on the vote from the poor and uneducated. he lied at every oppurtunity. please don't try to refute that ,it really makes you look uninformed.

Prove it. You're the one who is uninformed. Hello pot is calling kettle.

I too, as an Obama supporter, find this insulting. Appalling, actually. I think that you "bad" Conservatives need to get a hold of yourself. He won. Get over it. Remember all the bad things that we Dems said when Bush got re-elected? You're just doing the same thing. Get over yourself, he won, he's going to be your president in a few months, and you're going to learn to deal with it. Every time I see another post about how Obama shouldn't have won, or how horrible a person he is, or how he has demons in his soul, I wonder why it's still happening this late after the election. If this is how you take out your frustration and anger because your candidate lost, then fine, but it's not going to get you anywhere.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
There was no deflection what so ever on there part.

I think you meant their part. You went to college, right?

Regardless, I know deflection when I see it. I'm right, you're wrong. End of discussion.

How can you possibly think that over 62 million people who came from different backgrounds, environments, cultures, races, religions genders are all uneducated?

I never said all Obama voters were uneducated. But the percentage that won the election for him were, to a very large part. I'm sure I could recreate the very same results as the videos today, because most Obama voters don't know the issues at all.

The people that truly understand the issues voted against Obama. That's why they lost. There are too few people in the US who are truly "educated".

Prove it. Until you do you're just full of #. Sore loser.

Originally posted by Spectre0o0

Originally posted by vBreezo
Perhaps it would be better if political commercials were banned and all potential voters were required to take a course in social issues before getting a permit to vote. Only those voters who could pass a "political awareness" test would be given a ballot to mail in by a deadline date.

An election decided by the masses of ignorant people who are easily influenced by propaganda campaigns are one of the reasons why a direct democracy was decided against and a representative republic was the choice of those who wrote the Constitution. (they knew human nature even though the concept of "mass media" was totally unknown at the time) The concept of a pure "Democracy" was feared by those liberal thinkers of the late 1700's which is why we have never truly had a democracy - here or anywhere else.


The current national election process is too long, requires too much money and the choices are too limited. No matter what, the power elite always wins; the people always lose.

yeah maybe we can make that part of our 50 hours of slavery,i mean,community service every year(100 HOURS FOR YOU COLLEGE PEOPLE). AND MY MOM,WHO IS 76 JUST CAN'T WAIT TO GET AT IT!
senior citizens are included too.
i wonder how many obama supporters would have changed their mind if the msm had really pushed that into the public light every day !?!?!?!?!?!?!
and i do not disagree with educating people who have the right to vote, or silenceing
the msm pundents
[edit on 23-11-2008 by Spectre0o0]

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Spectre0o0]

Seems you're repeating an idea that Rahm Emmanuel has. Does not mean it's Obama's idea. Of course unless you prove it.

Originally posted by REXIMUS
while this can go on forever, it seems there is a bigger underlying cause. THE MEDIA!!! Yes this thread about how obama allegedly won the election but all it is crap. Most people base their decisions on what the media produces. Most (NOT ALL) people approach information the media produces without any discretion at all. People don't do any research or homework anymore..which is also a bunch of crap. This video is a prime example of how MEDIA in whatever form is very controlling whether democrat, republican, or third party. I would say the same thing if mccain had won and they made a video about how uneducated republicans are. I guess that is the blessing of our country..."freedom of speech."

That's why I turn it off and read print papers which are now on the internet. I go to a variety of sources inside the country and out. If I'm watching tv (even the news except local) I'm doing so for entertainment. Third party? When was the last time you saw a third party person on tv? The last time I did was when Brian Moore (Socialist Party candidate) was on Stephen Colbert and that's cable.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by LittlePinky82

 

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
And the last time I checked Obama isn't a liberal but quite moderate at least in his policies and decisions he makes.

Yeah, he's a moderate alright!

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

nj.nationaljournal.com...

And conservative politics works? Look at the last eight years. How's that been for most people in the country? Look at where we are now and what's going on with economics here. Get real. Neither is a solution. The only true solution is to get rid of capitalism period. Just ask people in Latin America.

Yeah, sure, let's turn communist or socialist! Just look at Latin America - they're a great success! That's why so many of them end up as illegal immigrants in our country!

Now I understand your username!

Hon did you follow the elections in 2004? The republicans said John Kerry was the most liberal in the Senate. Now they're saying it's Obama. Not even Ted Kennedy who is pretty liberal. And yes he is a moderate by his policies. Have you ever even looked at them? Oh and according to your own citation it says he was 16th and then 10th. Is that the new number one? Are you recreating math? Even if he was number ten the last time I checked that's NOT number one.

Actually yes. A lot of countries in Latin America are turning socialist and doing pretty well for themselves. They're standing up to the rightwing conservative death squads like in Colombia and are asking for a better life. Prove your claims that most people come from Latin America. No you don't know why my username hon. You haven't asked me. It's because I'm short. Little for short as well as Pinky as in your pinky finger. It would help if you'd ask before you make yourself look like a fool. Not everything in life is about politics hon. Oh and also I wanted to add you're racist if you think every "illegal" immigrant who comes here is from Latin America. Plus that's a moron thing to say.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by LittlePinky82]

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
ALL THESE DEMOCRATIC REPLIES MEAN,is that education does not help in making sound decisions. the people who are stating their negative opinions about barak,SIMPLY DON'T LIKE OR TRUST HIM. SO AS SOUTHERN GUARDIAN SAID,"GET USED TO IT." and he did prey on the vote from the poor and uneducated. he lied at every oppurtunity. please don't try to refute that ,it really makes you look uninformed.

Thought #1- Why do the majority of Conservatives who think that they know everything use poor grammar. I think that this means you are the uneducated ones. You should also learn to spell Barack and opportunity correctly... I mean, even my laptop has an automatic spell check.

Thought #2- Well, I do also consider myself a Communist. However, I don't support what Castro is doing, or what happened with Russia, or what happens with 100% of Communist countries. I believe in the Communist ideology but I have come to terms with the fact that in reality it can't work because people are too greedy and some people are too lazy. However, in the fantasy world that I would like to believe is true in my head, a country would be perfect if everybody had an opportunity, every mouth was fed, nobody was homeless, and we worked with and for one another.

But then again, people suck, and it can never happen. I don't go around waving Communist flags and I'm not an official member of the Young Communist Associations because they ask for money (ironic... but the money doesn't actually go to help anyone other then themselves) and I don't sing Russian songs and whatnot.

I think, however, that most Communists did vote for Obama because he wanted to give more to the people and take less from the big guys that have their oh-so-important jobs that pay for the private jets or the trailers or the guys who want their rifles by their side and the Christians that think it's okay to press their beliefs about marriage, sex, etc (homosexuality, abortion, abstinence only education) onto others.

I really hate you guys who are like that. I really do. You are so closed minded and horrible and I wish you would realize the key- you're not helping anybody but yourself.

Originally posted by fleabit
I'm fairly certain if you were to ask the same set of questions to 100,000 Obama and McCain supporters, you'd have near-identical %'s of folks who do know what they are talking about, that have some idea but are not 100% sure, and that are utterly clueless.

I don't even know the point of this drill. Since it was one-sided, I can only guess it's sour-grapes by those who made it.

Right. Most people wouldn't have a clue who Barney Frank is. I've seen video's where people don't know when 9/11 happened! Some Canadian show came here and asked people different question's. On 9/11 I mean the actual day. Some said like February or something. Oh brother! Now THAT would be messed up but not knowing Barney Frank and similar question's isn't.

reply to post by LittlePinky82


Here's a thought- IF the majority of people who voted for Obama were uneducated, is that because they're dumb? These dumb high school drop outs who couldn't understand how to capitalize and complete equations, clearly, they shouldn't be able to vote because they don't know anything?

Oh, wait. MAYBE...
These people grew up in an underprivileged society and were not given the same chance as you and I. People who just can't climb the social ladder for whatever reason. People who can't go to school because they need to feed their families and pay rent. Maybe they didn't vote for him because they were uneducated and didn't know better...
Maybe they realized that in their own personal situations, Obama would be the one to help them get that food on the table and their rent paid.

I think that's the case and I think that is a very very very valid reason to vote for a candidate.

Originally posted by schiass
People still believe that we really have a choice? This all predetermined to give the idea of freedom. I found it odd that the republicans gave us 2 terrible representatives from their party. I almost think it was handicapped from the start.

If anyone believes we still have a choice after back to back Bush wins is blind. They are playing the public like a fiddle. One day we are going to just accept anything because we have become jellyfish.

You do have a choice however. It's not much of one because other people aren't given hardly the chance but it's there. You can also choose to vote third party if you want. Nobody is forcing you to vote one way or the other or even at all.

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...How can people not know when 9/11 was?
I don't... understand... I knew how to figure out months and days from numbers when I was, oh, 3?

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
OMG this poll is so stupid. They only surveyed 512 Obama supporters nation wide. When I took American government a term ago my professor mentioned how you have to have at least 1,000 people in a nation poll like this for it to be even close to accurate. The fact this survey only has 512 people shows nothing except with these 512 people.

The poll is NOT stupid.

Obama's 8 million vote majority margin is where this poll comes into play.

Among the millions of Obama voters, I can readily agree that if not for the morons who certainly comprise that 8 million figure....McCain would be taking the oath on January 20th, and not Barack Obama.

And if you don't think the TYPICAL Obama voter is uneducated and not politically savvy, then somebody may have to include more into that 8 million voter group.

Originally posted by DCPatriot

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
OMG this poll is so stupid. They only surveyed 512 Obama supporters nation wide. When I took American government a term ago my professor mentioned how you have to have at least 1,000 people in a nation poll like this for it to be even close to accurate. The fact this survey only has 512 people shows nothing except with these 512 people.

The poll is NOT stupid.

Obama's 8 million vote majority margin is where this poll comes into play.

Among the millions of Obama voters, I can readily agree that if not for the morons who certainly comprise that 8 million figure....McCain would be taking the oath on January 20th, and not Barack Obama.

And if you don't think the TYPICAL Obama voter is uneducated and not politically savvy, then somebody may have to include more into that 8 million voter group.

You know, my boyfriend lives in Maryland, and he's not like you...
I think you're a moron. So moron is a very flexible term and can be used to tag anyone. Maybe all the McCain supporters were morons.
Just because your candidate lost does not mean that everybody who voted for him is a moron. So are you calling me a moron?
I think education has NOTHING to do with it because, you know what, both my parents voted for Obama and my father has a PhD from Princeton and my mother has a Masters from Colombia and it doesn't even matter. Because what does matter is not being educated, it means being able to feed your family and survive.

You can't be politically savvy if you don't have access to the internet or television or a newspaper subscription because you need to spend that money on FOOD.

If you think that out of the 8 million, most of them are just ignorant and stupid and don't have to struggle just to live and pay for food and housing, then you're completely nuts.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
ALL THESE DEMOCRATIC REPLIES MEAN,is that education does not help in making sound decisions. the people who are stating their negative opinions about barak,SIMPLY DON'T LIKE OR TRUST HIM. SO AS SOUTHERN GUARDIAN SAID,"GET USED TO IT." and he did prey on the vote from the poor and uneducated. he lied at every oppurtunity. please don't try to refute that ,it really makes you look uninformed.

Thought #1- Why do the majority of Conservatives who think that they know everything use poor grammar. I think that this means you are the uneducated ones. You should also learn to spell Barack and opportunity correctly... I mean, even my laptop has an automatic spell check.

Thought #2- Well, I do also consider myself a Communist. However, I don't support what Castro is doing, or what happened with Russia, or what happens with 100% of Communist countries. I believe in the Communist ideology but I have come to terms with the fact that in reality it can't work because people are too greedy and some people are too lazy. However, in the fantasy world that I would like to believe is true in my head, a country would be perfect if everybody had an opportunity, every mouth was fed, nobody was homeless, and we worked with and for one another.

But then again, people suck, and it can never happen. I don't go around waving Communist flags and I'm not an official member of the Young Communist Associations because they ask for money (ironic... but the money doesn't actually go to help anyone other then themselves) and I don't sing Russian songs and whatnot.

I think, however, that most Communists did vote for Obama because he wanted to give more to the people and take less from the big guys that have their oh-so-important jobs that pay for the private jets or the trailers or the guys who want their rifles by their side and the Christians that think it's okay to press their beliefs about marriage, sex, etc (homosexuality, abortion, abstinence only education) onto others.

I really hate you guys who are like that. I really do. You are so closed minded and horrible and I wish you would realize the key- you're not helping anybody but yourself.

Wow you're a communist too? Nice to see I'm not a lone here. Yes some things Fidel does aren't so great like not having the opportunity for average people to have computers and phones. That's kinda silly. Even though I can understand it I wouldn't go that route. I think Raul is going to do a better job. One of the first things he did as new president (he was Fidel's VP) was to over turn that law.

And yes one of my pet peeves is whenever people find out you're communist they always ask why do you like Stalin and things like that. Stalin also tortured fellow comrades who challenged him and said when he was wrong in doing something. They were the first he imprisoned and tortured. Even in Cuba communist's challenge each other all the time in elections and whatnot. Some of Castro's harshest critics are people in Cuba who are supportive of him. And yes I voted for Obama because he was the least insane and he would do a better job. There's so many issues to vote on this election whether with the Constitution, jobs and economy, education, foreign issues. One issue voters are annoying to me no matter what side of the isle you're on.

Yea what about all the racists , redneck uneducated can't get passed 10th grade hillbilly republican McCain supporters. I'm sure they are geniuses.

Originally posted by LittlePinky82

Wow you're a communist too? Nice to see I'm not a lone here.

Yes some things Fidel does aren't so great like not having the opportunity for average people to have computers and phones. That's kinda silly. Even though I can understand it I wouldn't go that route. I think Raul is going to do a better job. One of the first things he did as new president (he was Fidel's VP) was to over turn that law.

And yes one of my pet peeves is whenever people find out you're communist they always ask why do you like Stalin and things like that. Stalin also tortured fellow comrades who challenged him and said when he was wrong in doing something. They were the first he imprisoned and tortured. Even in Cuba communist's challenge each other all the time in elections and whatnot. Some of Castro's harshest critics are people in Cuba who are supportive of him. And yes I voted for Obama because he was the least insane and he would do a better job. There's so many issues to vote on this election whether with the Constitution, jobs and economy, education, foreign issues. One issue voters are annoying to me no matter what side of the isle you're on.

Haha, um. Yes, I'm a Communist. Not a Castroist or Stalinist. Because my idea of Communism has never actually worked or been put into action because it's impossible. It's really just a philosophy. I'm aware that it can never work in real life, and being a Communist is more like a religion than anything else. Obama could do the most for the majority of the population, and that's what matters. That's as close as we can get. The right way to Communism is to approach it from a different direction than having a dictator and whatnot. It's never going to happen though, I don't get my hopes up. I take it a day at a time and if there's something that can be done to make the country more even in terms of opportunity, then awesome.