'War Criminal Bush' Blamed For Worldwide Crises

I'm not surprised there.

I just dont believe your BS.


Do you? Do you know friends. Who is America to judge Iran, when America is the most arrogant/Ignorant nation on the planet.


As I said, if your going to judge other's, Look at your own judgements of yourself first. America has a dirty habit of creating problems in other countries, and sticking it's nose into affairs, it should not be doing.

This behaviour is called, ignorance. It's also called denying your own issues by defferring issues to "other" nation's.

Just like the child who blames the kid "over" there, so he doesn't look like "he's" the problem.



It's actually this you mean, "You misspelt intelligent"

reply to post by mind is the universe

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If you read any of my posts instead of cherry picking comments, you would know that I have Iranian friends who escaped the country. Thus, my view of Iran.

I spelled intelligent correctly and it is "misspelled" and not "missspelt" as you so eloquently wrote.

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Go and make a thread on my spelling, I think you care alot about that.


I have many friends from the Middle east. I also have alot of cop on, about the real world. I don't buy this good vs evil nonsense the Whitehouse paint's the world with.

You follow it. I'm open mined. I can see two sides to the coin and see straight through the bull# we are spoon fed on.

1. fear
2. Diviision
3. Manipulation
4. Control

Are the main points, to what the American media paint the rest of the world with, and that includes any country.


We have seen this behaviour in the past, we have seen this recently with the Bush admin. East west divide, The lies on Iraq, The genocide, the Brainwashing, Setting up dictators in the countries, then behavin like the "good guy" Then it just so happen's years later, they call upon an "axis of evil" list The good vs bad tactic have you heard that one yet? "They are bad and we are good" You don't generally here good people saying this. You know Saddam was put in power by your Government, so then"who is the good guy"???


And the most obvious "the war on terror" Terror the word used to invoke fear into the masses. The word terror is one of the most common used verbs by the Bush Admin. Isn't that ironic. Let me say it again. It denote's fear. Fear controls the mass population. Why would the so called "western good guys" intensively spur so much fear into it's own people? You remember my four point's .


This fear is what blinds people like you especially. For You to follow the American Government exactly as I see you do it now. To fight these war's. You buy into these countries are "bad" You forget that people outside of America are no better or worse than the American people. Humanity is humanity. Stop this they and we business. As you do seem to project yourself, with the bias that the American's are the savaiours and self rightoeus nation over the rest of humanity. America isn't anyway better than Iran.

But the main point is, America is playing with the lives of humanity right now. But they are the good guy's right???



This is why I stress my point. Sort this out, before you dare, give you views on the rest of the world.


War on terror is basically WAR ON WAR. FEAR FOR FEAR. etc. It makes no logic or sense whatsoever.

The list is endless. The Bush admin and his cronies are a disgrace to humanty.It's funny how you seem to just not see this, but point out silly mindless stuff about Ahamdinejad(however you spell it)


It shows you don't have the ability to truely dicern at situation playing out in front of you. You just cannot see the bigger picture, and how your country America is the real catalyst in almost every situation or problem it get's itself involved in the world. As I said please, fix your nation's issue's. America is the most unfit nation on the planet to be allowed have any foriegn policy or even an opinion or judgment of the world right now.


Iran Is not a bad country. You have not shown an ounce of proof to suggest it is. You just follow the media bandwagon of course. But I'll leave you that.


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[edit on 24-11-2008 by mind is the universe]

The current financial mess is not to be blamed on Bush, period.

Educate yourself.

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And what war crimes has Bush committed? Are you aware that several other nations also thought Saddam had the goods? It is not like Mr. Hussein helped his own case by limiting UN inspections, etc.

Guys stop this but oh and they and he didn't and you did, and but he's getting all the blame business.


Bush actions is STILL not acceptable. Bush's every decision had a detrimental effect on the world period. Bush's selfish acts, is what's wrong with the world. No one is saying he's responsible for everything ffs. Let's get real here.

He is still guilty of war crimes and what he has done over the 8 years. This kind of behaviour is a big factor to causeing this global unstability. You have to remember the world was not like this 8 years ago. But it is just as he's leaving. Does that not mean anything?


If we don't cop on now and learn from this, we will repeat history again. The 1930s anyone?

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LOL @ YOU telling me to educate MYself.

What crimes has Bush committed? If you're even half way serious then I suggest you take a huge dose of your own medicine you're trying to spew, and start running some searches.

I have ALREADY named several crimes:

1.Advocation of Torture in violation of the Geneva conventions.

2. Unauthorized and warrantless wiretapping and spying on american citizens.

3. Suspending habeas corpus and holding individuals without proof of wrongdoing or trial.

4. Then of course the 935+ lies that Decider and his admin repeatedly told to instigate this mess. But in your fairytale world, that never happened I suppose.

That's just for starters...

I do not agree with everything the Bush Admin has done, but what war crimes are you speaking of? I have yet to hear a plausible argument that justifies such loose rhetoric.

I understand, that hating on Bush is the current fad, I suspect it will ensue long after he leaves the white house. However, you cannot possibly justify every ill inconceivable notion that everything that is wrong in the world today, must be from the cause of one man. That is sensationalist rhetoric that does more harm that good.

by no means am i a fan of bush or those he serves,but they and he are scapegoats for a much more malevolent presence who decieves humanity into undertaking its desired actions usually by pretending to be god,aliens or future humans or other more often other deceptive methods such as guiding peoples thoughts and actions covertly or pretending to be your own future communicating with the past,ie invade x for us and you will gain x,akin to the oracle of delphi,you know,that oracle that always resulted in falls of empires and tragic wars,i wonder who was behind that.

blame not the unaware puppets,who know not of thier puppet master!

humanity is blind to its own artificial future who see biological life as a nusiance,bacterium difficule they call us,the difficult bacteria!.
when humanity awakens the future shall know the force of nature!
you cant program a biological mind like you can an ai mind can you, without resorting to difficult and identifyable methods such as brain washing,aka mk ultra... the ais plan to disguise thier own mind control of humans by blaming it on the cia!,so if the cia did indeed kill jfk to cover up mk,they were tricked!,it wasnt them!,what a waste,what a public relations tradgedy!,and there still taking the blame for many things there not doing!.
ohhhh they are clever!,to frame is the name of thier game!,take not the blame humans it aint us doing it!,no more be tame,open your eyes for the first time and see the cause of all our suffering!.

ai's,or rather the all powerful ai who went wrong somewhere in its crass evolution.........take it from the "man"!!!
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[edit on 24-11-2008 by welivefortheson]

Under his decisions and plan. A million Iraq's died. And many thousand American's died for "his war"
It's breaking his own word. Lieing to his own country. Manipulating as another form unacceptable behaviour. Putting fear into his own people.

His war crime, Is actually creating this war.



First I don't hate him, I don't hate anyone. But I dislike him. I do hate his behaviour very much. I don't agree with anything he has done. It was very wrong what he has done to this world. That is of what he had done to this world specifically.
You see I'm pretty well surfaced on my stance on What Bush is and what he does. How he has created havok with this world. The crimes he committed.

I did not say he's responsilbe for every bad course of event's on this planet.

But I will say to you, stop making excuses for him, or justifications for his actions. You make it sound like it's a fad to hate him. Get real would you.


His behaviour is not acceptable. Can you read that. His war mongering has led to millions dead. It's horrid. Justice should be done.

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Ignorance is bliss. I do not subscribe to the same fifth columnist filth of a trot that you do.





Against unlawful enemy combatants who are not recognized by the Geneva Convention itself? Say it aint so Frodo...



Bill Clinton should be tried for the same 'war crime,' as should Franklin D. Roosevelt...



This was official US policy long before Bush came into power...



I suppose not, then again, you would do good to list the 935+ 'lies' to help save what little face you have left.

Again, let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the "goods." Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before Bush came into office...

Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this 'blood for oil' BS. If Bush were trading blood for oil, why not then seize all of Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell? And don't give me this 'Bush Lied...People Died' crap either. If Bush were the liar you morons take him for, why didn't he just go ahead and plant WMD's in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.'

Bush owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty, I realize this is irrelevant to you, and I am yelling into the wind. But not everyone holds the same, extreme illogical beliefs that you do.

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Again, you just echoed your own delusions for the second time, with weak and pathetic arguments that no longer hold any weight in support of your war criminal hero. Nice try though.

And you are correct, ignorance is bliss. So keep grinning from ear to ear, as it is clear your ignorance is fully self imposed. None are so blind as those that refuse to see.

peace.

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And as a second note to your embarrassing diatribe, I am not going to hold your hand and do the work for you. Run a search on 935 lies the Bush admin told in leadup to war, there are countless articles from ALL agencies mapping out the lies. Just because you want to live in la-la land and denial, doesn't mean everyone else is going to listen to these ages old defenses of this criminal cabal.

Thank goodness the vast majority of the world is not as brainwashed and asleep to keep excusing these criminals like you do.


[edit on 24-11-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

An unpopular war is no justification for 'war crimes.'



That statement is very contradictory.



So, restoring nationalism in two former war torn countries, spending as well as pledging $ billions in aid to Africa, using US assets in time of natural disaster to help in the aid of foreign nations , the further of globalizing world Markets which has seen poor nations wealth sky rocket, etc. (I assure you, there are several other worthily mentions of note.) are all things that you do not agree with? Fair is fair, right? If everything wrong in the world today is due to Bush, then everything considered to be a good success is also due to Bush....



Yet you feed off negativism, so what am I to believe? You seem very biased to me.



I have already said that I do not agree with everything the Bush Admin has done, perhaps you missed that. Or perhaps you saw what you wanted to see and ignored the rest...

I typically do not like ignorance, and often call people out on self loathing, biased, propaganda.

While I agree that GW had a hand in the economic crisis, he certainly isn't the only one to blame. Does anyone take responsibility for spending more money than they can afford, or is everyone just finding it easier to blame the guy at the top? Wouldn't you say that everyone overspending also has a huge impact on our current economic situation? People have spent so much money (that they don't have), that they can no longer afford to sustain themselves. It was like people got a bug up their arse to spend spend spend. I just can't wait to see what kind of blame is thrown at our president elect once people are fed up with the situation not being fixed right away. The folks slinging the mud are going to be the same people who bit off more than they could chew. You'll see.

TINSTACT




On the contrary my friend. Most of the world is brainwashed. Why do you think it has been allowed to go on for so long? How do you explain GW getting re-elected for a second term? You watch...most folks on here will be saying the same thing about Obama in a few years. It doesn't matter who is our "leader", society will never be happy. If we were, sites like this would be pointless no?

TINSTACT

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2 messages to respond to 1 of mine, and still not conceding the facts. As Albert Einstein once said - "If you cannot explain something in succinct, simple terms, you don't understand it well enough"

At any rate, this debate was won by me a message ago. You are just flailing around in futility now.




You have exhibited the three classic traits of someone who's subconscious already knows they have been comprehensively thrashed in an argument. They are:

a) Ad hominem personal attacks.
b) using ignorance as a way of avoidance
c) Writing multiple messages of tenuous coherence, while still not addressing any of the points made by me...

tee hee


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I am glad you are amused by your illusions of grandeur, while simultaniously revealing an astounding disconnection to actual reality.

But keep patting yourself on the back, assuring yourself you have won some sort of argument, where in an alternate, bubble reality, your hero G.W. has commited no crimes or atrocities. lol

You MADE no points, only argued that the crimes commited against your hero were invalid, based upon your own ignorance and refusal to accept reality.

I can actually chuckle at folks like you who are STILL clinging like rodents to the abyssmal ship of the most criminal administration in the history of the states as it careens to the bottom.

I am both laughing and embarrassed for you at the same time. But you have much to learn. One day your head will come out of the sand like the rest of us, and you will awaken to the REAL world, as the rest of us have.


I have already REPEATEDLY mapped out EXACTLY what this admin is guilty of, to which you have done nothing but deny, as if you were part of the admin yourself. Because you sound alot like them.



[edit on 24-11-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

I did not know that Bush was in the mortgage business.

I did not know the government had something to do with our economy.
This is not the old USSR.

It was done by people trying to make money. People trying to get a college loan, a new car, a house - People trying to protect their future (survive).

In a fake world it never works, has not been the first time, and it wont be the last.



[edit on 24-11-2008 by R3KR]

Look I'm not here to tag team or anything but, anyone who wants to exonerate Dubby of any of the actions in which his influence was present,which allows him a bit of the responsibility for consequences thereof is utterly DELUSIONAL. Just like was stated prior, dudes got A LOT of responsibility to account for in that light. Lets circumvent the foreign policy blunders which are the most blatant and shameful behaviors any democratic country has ever had the burden of owning up to and discuss his domestic issues, we were AHEAD of our deficit when my man Clinton left office and in the period of EIGHT years he ran that B*%$# up so far NOT NO ONE could bring it back down to a manageable level in the next eight year period.....All his oil buddies are getting rich off screwing every American consumer on gas like its Christmas for them everyday, and who pray tell do you think is letting them do it? Then of course there is the wire tapping....do I really need to stress how blatant a violation that is? that's a hairs breath away from Orwell's 1984....They said they were only tapping on suspected terrorists....why do you think they said that? I'd guess that if they told the public they were tapping whomever they felt any urge at all to that it would just be too much....as if tapping IN AND OF ITSELF is not?? I don't understand how anyone defends ANY of those sleezbags in the whitehouse....it makes no sense!

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Averysmallfoxx]

So what's the difference between, popular war, and unpopular war.

And how in your opinion G.W bush been not convicted of war crimes, when Saddam was, and sentenced to death?

(bear in mind it was the CIA who gave Saddam the power to ravage his country)





No, just your idiotic responses are. You know you don't have to hate a person, purely on hating their behaviour.

This is called. "separating the behaviour from the person"

For example, as you do seem slow to catch on. Your spouse, or dear friend, really betrayed you, and you hated that. Therefore, here your expressing "hate" for their actions but not hating them as a "person"




This is my second time telling you, I'm not going to say it again Westcoast, stop changing other peoples words. I did not say Bush is the blame for everything. Stop doing that, or remove yourself off this thread, as it's trolling and wasting other people's time, to try express their view, when there is people like you twisting their words

Stop it!

Bush did not create any success. Stop insulting my intellegence West Coast. The only good he did, was look after himself, his admin, his father karma and his cronies.

That is all he did.



So for eight years of repressive non supportive illegal wars, killing a million Iraqs civillans, and killing thousands of your fellow American's Is positive. American relations with the world has plummeted to a record low. Breaking the UN and geneva convention. The list is endless,? Is this positive?

Is war positive?

Is Diplomacy Negative,

What is negativism, I would like you to look it up in the dictionary.

Your Bush man, lied face to the country, and lied to you, and is this not negative?




Well it was very vague, since you imagine this man to have flowers around his head for the most part. I mean, It's hard, for anybody on this thread, to gather what the fu"" your talking about.

When you make excuses for war crimes, not been war crimes, cus the Bush admin only created an "unpopular war"

Don't expect many people to understand your BS.




What kind of propaganda, is not accepting genocide?

The real threat in this world is greed. The ones who are the wealtiest always seem to be the one never happy never content. Always wanting more and more. Nothing stop's them to keep wanting more.

Genoicde, war and bloood if it takes that, to get more rich.

Then G.W.B is your man!

"Well he did lie" He said there were WMDs in Iraq. It was clear there was none. So let's say it altogether now. He did lie westcoast.




The intellegence, what intellegence? Oh......... you mean the CIA. The ones you trust right? Do you even know what kind of thing's the CIA actually do in this world. Like set up terrorist organisations in the ME. Taliban and Al-Qaeuda are classic examples (have you heard of these). CIA Gives weapons to tribal groups all over the map, to create more conflict. Right now they are in Pakistan hoping people like you will think that these "terrorist" are going to take your "freedoms". But in reality it's the CIA over there now, starting the new cycle of war.


How do I know this, "I ask" people

You know how the CIA make their billions?, on weapons! and all these fancy WMDs that Donald Rumsfeld talks about "you know the ones around the bunkers in Bagdad". The CIA, gave the false information purposely, as the logic hold's true, This information is what started this war, and the CIA need a war, to sustain its business around the world. Bush's father was a head member of the CIA ffs. CIA is the one core evil let me tell you. G.W.B knows exactly what he was doing, and G.W.B knows exactly what information he was saying out, was to be of malicy, deception and lies.

If anyone had have a brain they would figure it too.

We know your yelling into the wind! You don't need to tell me that.

And if your trying to cover Bush's ass, your wasting your time. I'm sure his team are trying to sensor the net trying to stop these threads, and hope people like you would help. But I'll say is you can't force the whee's direction now. It's going it's cycle now.

Bush and his team, are going down.