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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 06:48 PM by rjmelter
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Hey DD thanks for the post! A reminder the warrantless wiretapping program began before 9/11. Just recently it was revealed that Verizon had illegally accessed the cell phone records of Barack Obama!! This secret surveillance is probably the key in pressuring legislators to obey!

From CNN:
Verizon fires workers over Obama cell phone records breach

From NY Times:
Former Phone Chief Says Spy Agency Sought Surveillance Help Before 9/11


Sorry Leo, but you give up your freedom and civil libertys the moment you try to control everyone elses... Intelligence has the right to check the history of a person trying to become president... ignoring all the rant... and even switching sides... what if McCain was a terrorist... would you want him running things? Get over it... Its much needed


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 07:36 PM by questioningall
reply to post by jam321



BUSH is the biggest WAR Criminal in the history of the United States!!

He needs to be tried and convicted as a Horrible monster killing lying War Criminal that he is!!

He killed everyone at the WTC - because he was behind it - he has listened to our phone calls, watch where we go on the internet - he has completely shredded our constitution - thousands even possibly a million people have been killed due to his lies in the middle east!!

He tortures people - to me ..... he is another Hitler - and worst!

I say do to him as was done to Sadam Hussien once he is convicted of everything he has done!

What would be Awesome - is if other countries did trials on him also - the world could convict that horrible war criminal anti christ that is in office now.

I am still holding my breath - because I do not think he will leave office - I still think he has something planned so he will stay in office.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 07:45 PM by jam321
reply to post by questioningall



BUSH is the biggest WAR Criminal in the history of the United States!!

He needs to be tried and convicted as a Horrible monster killing lying War Criminal that he is!!

He killed everyone at the WTC - because he was behind it - he has listened to our phone calls, watch where we go on the internet - he has completely shredded our constitution - thousands even possibly a million people have been killed due to his lies in the middle east!!

He tortures people - to me ..... he is another Hitler - and worst!


Got two words for you.

PROVE IT.

And not to the members of ATS but in a court of law.

Would you like the police to throw you in the slammer without proving in a court of law that you are guilty.

There has got to be a reason we consider people Innocent Until Proven Guilty.



reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 07:57 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by jam321



You know, I like your diplomatic way of showing an alternative viewpoint, but seriously bro---You are aware that our gov is doing exactly the opposite of that, correct? They are holding people for YEARS without any proof of wrongdoing or TRIAL. This was what I was referring to in my original reply to you about suspending habeus corpus. That is precisely what they have been doing.

In fact, a judge just ORDERED the release of 5 detainees who have been held in such a fashion, because they were never granted a trial or convicted of ANYTHING, yet they were imprisoned and held for years despite this.

So despite the illusion that we are running some "just" system, that is all that it is for the most part---an illusion.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:21 PM by jam321
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



First of all, excellent thread.

I like your diplomatic way of showing an alternative viewpoint,


I understand your frustration that our government is or has been doing the exact opposite of what the Constitution, Federal or State laws are saying.However, playing the same game on their level makes us just as guilty as them. The same way Bush views the Guantanamo detainees is basically the same way people view Bush and want him to be punished just as badly. An eye for an eye if you must. My view in all of this is that the group that has the most power, Congress, has failed to do its job with the exception of a few. My belief is that we go through the process that our constitution and federal laws dictate. To do anything outside of this would make us just as non compliant as Bush.

I propose that if one truly believes that Bush has abused his powers or committed a crime then he or she should gather their evidence and submit copies to their representatives requesting an investigation. These are the people one must convince to get the ball running.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:36 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by jam321



See, and this is where my frustration (and much of the rest of us) stems from.

You are ABSOLUTELY correct, that this is the way things are SUPPOSED to be done, and the way that has made our system the envy of literally the rest of the world.

Unfortunately, as we have seen over the past several years, over and over and over again---That system has been entirely compromised. The system of "checks and balances", as it was set up to be, is no longer functioning as it was set out to be. The congressional body is now nearly irrelevant, as they have refused to enforce any type of accountability across the board on a whole host of issues regarding both foreign and domestic policies, many of these being direct CRIMES and violations of the Geneva convention (International law) and Constitution (Domestic law).

The aforementioned invasion on false premises, torture, the passage of the patriot act, warrantless wire-tapping and spying of american citizens under the fallacy of the "war on terror" are all shining examples of laws that have been broken and signed off on by not only Bush and his criminal cabal, but a large portion of the congressional body.

This creates a problem. Now the same body that is supposed to ensure checks and balances and presidential power monoplolies is no longer doing so out of being guilty of signing off on the same criminal enterprises themselves.

This creates quite the conundrum.

How does justice get served when nearly EVERYONE is guilty of the same crimes? How does an entirely corrupt system police itself?

These are the problems facing us, and the whole world at large right now.



reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 10:44 PM by Anonymous ATS




reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 11:36 PM by Leo Strauss
Originally posted by rjmelter
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Hey DD thanks for the post! A reminder the warrantless wiretapping program began before 9/11. Just recently it was revealed that Verizon had illegally accessed the cell phone records of Barack Obama!! This secret surveillance is probably the key in pressuring legislators to obey!

From CNN:
Verizon fires workers over Obama cell phone records breach

From NY Times:
Former Phone Chief Says Spy Agency Sought Surveillance Help Before 9/11


Sorry Leo, but you give up your freedom and civil libertys the moment you try to control everyone elses... Intelligence has the right to check the history of a person trying to become president... ignoring all the rant... and even switching sides... what if McCain was a terrorist... would you want him running things? Get over it... Its much needed


I am really not sure what you are talking about???

At one time in the US it was illegal to wiretap without a warrant????

I simply stated facts. Facts regarding illegal surveillance in our country. Many that justify this surveillance with the attacks on 9/11 are shocked to learn that the Bush administration instituted these policies BEFORE 9/11!
You see they believe that because of the attacks on 9/11 extraordinary measures were instituted in order to protect our country from terrorists!
Yet these were no extraordinary measures these were preemptive measures before 9/11!!!


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 12:47 AM by ablue07
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor


OK then Bush and his cronies or how about the Bush Administration has managed to run our economy into the dirt and get into a war for no good reason whatsoever except to line their own fat wallets. Rumsfeld, Cheney and Colin Powell and the rest of GW's cabinet ought to be ashamed of themselves. I get ill thinking about These folks and the farce they've perpetrated on the American people.

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