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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:48 PM by jam321
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But wait, isn't Bush the Commander in Chief and the self proclaimed "Decider"?
If so then the buck stops with him.
Yes, he is the Commander in Chief. I don't know what he calls himself and don't care. The issue here is that Bush committed war crimes. If this is
true and your average person claims it to be, How is it that our Congress, who have access to classified information, deems it not to be true. With
the exception of a few Congressmen, no one else in Congress has called for the impeachment of Bush based on the claims being made. That means one,
they don't believe a crime was committed or two, they know a crime was committed but have chosen to cover it up. If they are covering it up then the
BUCK doesn't stop at Bush.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:49 PM by dgtempe
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VIVA PERU.
I try to be reasonable and fair, but yes, i agree, between him and Cheney, it is THEM who have managed to mess up the whole world.
The shtf here and quickly made it world wide......I love it when FAUX says the entire world is in a mess, not just here.    REALLY???
So, does this mean that we are not at fault?????
Its all thanks to the Bushman & co. and we shall never forget it and neither will the world.
I wonder how it will go for Bush & friends in Paraguay?????
Hmmmmm......
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:53 PM by DimensionalDetective
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It is very simple to see why---THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF THE SAME CRIMES.
By impeaching / prosecuting, they likely will be implicated as well. They are covering their own behinds by not following through.
This is why it will likely take a foreign country to achieve justice. Our entire gov body (save for a couple) is corrupt and compromised.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:55 PM by Britguy
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The assertion, most definitely, is that many members of congress backed war for reasons known only to themselves, in the full knowledge that the
reasons were false. Maybe their stock portfolios in arms suppliers and other corporations who would make a killing (pun intended) from war helped?
Maybe it was the accepted funds from AIPAC and others, who then called in the markers, that helped them vote in favour of war but whatever the reason
they should be held accountable.
Simply brushing it off as "bad intelligence" is so lame, especially given the fact that they even set up a group within the Pentagon to manufacture
and cherry pick Intel to build the case for war, outside of the usual channels and even the CIA.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:06 PM by anonymousATS
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Originally posted by jam321
I don't agree with the war criminal mess. I respect that you feel that way but I can't see allowing some zealous outsider go after one of our
Presidents just to further humiliate the United States. We have a US Congress that has the power to impeach a sitting President for abuse of powers
and other crimes. For the past eight years, our Congress have found no reason to impeach President Bush. If Bush is a war criminal as you state, then
you should also be calling for the arrest of the US Congress for aiding and abetting or for Dereliction of duty. Furthermore, most of these people
calling Bush a war criminal are basing it off what they hear, not proof.
Jeez, I don't even know where to begin.
Congress has been rubber stamping everything that has come down the pike oover the last 8 years. Perhaps it was due to those concressmen that wanted
to slow down Bush's legislative onslaught in the beginning. You know what I mean -- those congressmen that received anthrax letters.
The democrats started making noises that they would hold public hearings on massive criminal activity (reported by credible whistleblowers) if they
took control of congress in 2006. They took control and then promptly forgot about their promises. Something is clearly wrong.
Later congress is talking about the Wall Street bailout. 99 out of 100 Americans said "no way". Congress, with some members threatened, some
bribed, did it anyway. The result was the largest theft in the history. And the chief genius doling out the money won't even tell us where the
money went. Does that sound kosher to you?
If you don't think there is prima face evidence of Bush's crimes over the last 8 years, you are simply not paying attention. And yes, his policies
are partially responsible for the ecopnomic crash.
This monster deserves a fair trial, followed by a proper hanging in public.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:06 PM by jam321
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Simply brushing it off as "bad intelligence" is so lame,
Lame....
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological
weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate
that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
www.davidstuff.com...
Was Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd part of that secret group cherry picking intel info to build a case for war?
Maybe Hillary was.... (and the conspiracy grows as to who lied) Obama's soon to be Secretary of State.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al
Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
same source as above
Do you believe Obama's soon to be Secretary of State also lied in order to make a case to go to war?
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:12 PM by Britguy
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Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by Britguy
Do you believe Obama's soon to be Secretary of State also lied in order to make a case to go to war?
In a word...... YES!
She is part of the system after all and as corrupt as the rest of them.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:12 PM by jam321
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If you don't think there is prima face evidence of Bush's crimes over the last 8 years, you are simply not paying attention.
I haven't said that. Are you paying attention? I even told the op that he has a good case on the torture issue.
What it boils down to is that you choose to go after one guy when there are others equally responsible if such stated crimes are proven to be true.
Seeing that you and I are not privilege to all the classified information or potential evidence that may be available to prove such a case, I don't
see why you should be judging the guy to be guilty and hung.
Innocent until proven guilty.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:21 PM by CaptGizmo
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This economic debockel has been going on for decades by each and every President and Congress, as well as other countries leaders along with their
system of corrupt legislation. It was not brought about by the US alone. Everyone has had a hand in this. Remember the oil for food joke? All Bush did
was exasperate an already doomed policy of cash and carry leaderships. If you have to blame someone then we should all just look in the mirror,
because there is your culprit.We let them get away with this for too long.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:40 PM by RRconservative
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I'm just posting because I think my signature is relevant to this post.
But I will add this to stay legal.
Labor Unions organizing protests in foreign countries? Go figure!
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:59 PM by Jkd Up
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Wow RRconservative! Not much grey area there huh?  
It is amazing the feellings and tensions brought to light here in the little posts we've had.
Anyone who'se been on ATS over an hour has to admit that the buck certainly doesn't stop with Bush or even Congress. Though Congress has been more
than happy to approve and fool us into thinking all these decisions were good for us.
What is halarious to me: The veil of power has never been so translucent as it is now. With other administrations it was speculation that there was
an unseen government hiding behind it all, now it's almost painfully obvious. I can't believe that a low-ball like W. could even make it into the
White House. Totally comical!
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:34 PM by guliver
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Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
See Bush is just a puppet.
He is used to deflect our anger away from the true evil ones.
The Rockefeller and Rothschild family's.
When you starting prosecuting the puppets, then the puppets masters have to enter the stage.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:01 PM by cognoscente
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Then every public citizen in the country should also be criminally charged for aiding and abetting. Your tax dollars went to fund that war and you did
nothing about it except moan and whine on internet conspiracy forums. Did every single individual in the country go out and march and protest? No.
That would be very nearly statistically impossible. You went on with your lives, passively voicing your opinions.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:24 PM by GROWNER JIM
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The bush family has wanted the NWO for a long time. The only way that will happen in if the US and major countries are broken to their lowest level in
everyway possible so they can take over every part of our lives. Do some searches you find it if you look, Ignorant
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
If you agree with the Peruvians that Bush is the cause of the economic crisis then YOU are ignorant.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:58 PM by A52FWY
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I thought the Peruvian protestors were complaining about not getting a paycheck?
I really look at OPEC and international speculators as starting this economic downturn with the absurd pricing of oil. The mass transfer of wealth to
the middle east created liquidity problems in the rest of the world.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 06:31 PM by Leo Strauss
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 06:45 PM by CaptGizmo
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Originally posted by cognoscente
Then every public citizen in the country should also be criminally charged for aiding and abetting. Your tax dollars went to fund that war and you did
nothing about it except moan and whine on internet conspiracy forums. Did every single individual in the country go out and march and protest? No.
That would be very nearly statistically impossible. You went on with your lives, passively voicing your opinions.
[edit on 22-11-2008 by cognoscente]
Kind of like what you are doing now...NO? Many did voice there discontent..however if you haven't noticed we were outnumbered by the powers that be
and the other brainwashed people. I admit I was one of those brainwashed individuals until I finally woke up about 6 years ago. I do blame myself as
well....but you sound as if everyone else is to be blamed but yourself. Your post sound a little self righteous to me.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 06:46 PM by rjmelter
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For A group of countries that Hate America so bad its so interesting they they rely on the U.S. Even partially... its like biting the hand that feeds
them... people never learn... thats why bush was in power for 8 years instead of 4
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