Bush tearing apart protection for America's wilderness, page 3

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Josbecky I have been saying since the late 70's that if we began pushing alternative energies... wind, solar, tidal, geothermal etc. hard and couple that with a concerted effort to retool industry to take advantage of those alternative sources and retrofitting existing homes and buildings to be more energy efficient... we would not only stretch our available oil reserves, but create an economic boom that could last decades.

We should have started that 30 years ago but we didn't.

Considering just the tooling up to do that would create new businesses and new jobs explain to me how I am anti-business again?

I am not opposed to business I am opposed to giving business a carte blanc to do as they please without regulation and oversight...

we've been down that road before and it wasn't pretty...
can you say Love canal?
How about Boupal?
Remember when the Detroit river caught on fire?
Or mercury in the food supply?

I could go on but I bet that you think those things are inconsequential.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by grover]

reply to post by RRconservative

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RR you never cease to amaze... and trust me that is not a compliment.

A huge part of the fires out west in case you haven't noticed is that the area is bone dry and has been suffering a drought that in some places is entering its second decade. You think lake mead is half empty due to evaporation?

When you couple an already naturally arid region with a long term drought and a large population increase taxing an already depleted aquifer then the area becomes a tender box.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by jsobecky

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Look into it Josbecky... shale oil extraction is the dirtiest oil extraction in the business.

Well, somebody has to be the dirtiest, don't they? That in itself is not a reason to abandon the technology.

I have faith in our engineering and scientific abilities. We can solve any problem.

Intelligent growth does not look at what is now, and make every decision based upon today's technology.

True intelligent technology looks at what can be, and works toward that goal.

[edit on 22-11-2008 by jsobecky]

Just as grover said.. you are really naive
If we are talking about profits.. do you REALLY think that those industries will conduct R&D to minimize the impacts of their activities? It costs them MONEY! Hello?? Anybody there?? You really dont seem to think for yourself do ya?

On the other hand, on your defense, we could argument, on a general tense that environmental laws are very rigid, yada, yada, yada..
Well they could be mid-term.. while allowing them to proceed their activities, they HAD to demonstrate the power and the will to minimize their impacts..

For clean energies debate.. my country (Portugal) is making a big bet on renewables, but not in isolation.. its a mix of with wind, solar, river and sea/ocean... guess what? we are already exporting materials and technology.. this as already generated thousands of jobs! (keep in mind that we are a small country will over 10 million people) and eolics alone power 15% of our energy needs and combined with other renewable sources more than 50%.

reply to post by Picao84

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Your country has less people than LA County. You think you can compare your energy needs to ours?

Pffft!

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionaryYou mean like the "sensible" offshore drilling already occurring in the Gulf of Mexico that has helped to create a dead zone hundreds of miles in diameter in which nothing can survive?

Which dead zone is greater? The one created by oil or the one created by US agriculture?

The dead zone in the gulf of Mexico is 7000 square miles. Nothing lives in it. A condition of hypoxia related to fertilizer run off from American farmers.

USGS

Nutrients, especially nitrogen, discharged to the Gulf of Mexico by the Mississippi River have been identified as the primary cause of the annual development of a zone of hypoxia in the northern part of the Gulf. Hypoxia is characterized by depressed levels of dissolved oxygen in water, which adversely affects marine life. Nitrogen is introduced to streams from diverse point and nonpoint sources, and the influx of nitrogen to stream waters has increased as a result of human activities.

toxics.usgs.gov...

The Guld of Mexico is under attack not only by oil but by the release of fertilizers that run out of our rivers into the gulf creating a massive dead zone.

toxics.usgs.gov...

You cant just look at the oil, we have to look at the whole picture.
This isnt Bush, this is about all of us including every day farmers. Nitrogen based fertilizers that make it to the river and creating an unforseen hazard somewhere else. Stream run off from our fields and yards...

This is about all of us being accountable and taking personal action on an individual basis.

Peace


[edit on 23-11-2008 by HIFIGUY]

reply to post by jsobecky

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Yup i know.. but you have more area and natural resources than us! Gezz.. Think before you answer.. is people like you that give americans a bad image!

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Picao84]

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Picao84]

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