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Topic started on 22-11-2008 @ 02:15 AM by stander
INTEL DEVELOPER FORUM, San Francisco, Aug. 21, 2008 – Intel Corporation's chief technology officer took a fascinating look at how technology will bring man and machine much closer together by 2050.

Justin Rattner, during his keynote today at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco, predicted big changes are ahead in social interactions, robotics and improvements in computer's ability to sense the real world. He said Intel's research labs are already looking at human-machine interfaces and examining future implications to computing with some promising changes coming much sooner than expected.

"The industry has taken much greater strides than anyone ever imagined 40 years ago," Rattner said. "There is speculation that we may be approaching an inflection point where the rate of technology advancements is accelerating at an exponential rate, and machines could even overtake humans in their ability to reason, in the not so distant future."

www.intel.com...

What an insult to the human race! I resent the idea that my wisdom can be electronically replicated as early as 2050.

What a compliment to the human race! I can't believe that we are so smart to replicate our wisdom as early as 2050.

The cost of these intelligent machines would probably depend on the preloaded level of education. That will be very useful progress: You just ask questions and your artificial friend will answer. If you don't still understand, the AF will adjust to your level of understanding and will modify the answer (graphics & verbal) until you understand. Now remember that your AF will not just answer with what was downloaded to its electronic brain; AF will think and be able to come up with solutions that will be original and specially fits your problem.

In exact sciences, ATPU (Artificial Thought Processing Unit) will arrive at a closing proof of a conjecture and stores the knowledge for future use. The human brain won't be able to compete, because of the incredible speed in electronic thought processing.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:38 AM by Evasius
'Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended.' Vernor Vinge, 1993

The result of such progress and innovation will inevitably lead to what is called a 'Technological Singularity.'

The Singularity refers to a point in the future when the exponential progress of computing technology becomes infinite an incomprehensible. Consequently we will no longer be the dominant intelligence on the planet. To survive we will have to merge with the very technology we created.

Experts of the subject believe we are now fast approaching the time when we will be capable of transcending our mortal frailties by becoming less biological and more technological. The possible timeframe to expect this momentous change ranges from 2012 - 2050, however many think it's most likely to occur as early as 2015 to 2029. Here's a quote referring to what exactly this singularity could mean for us:

The Singularity is the technological creation of smarter-than-human intelligence. There are several technologies that are often mentioned as heading in this direction. The most commonly mentioned is probably Artificial Intelligence, but there are others: direct brain-computer interfaces, biological augmentation of the brain, genetic engineering, ultra-high-resolution scans of the brain followed by computer emulation. Some of these technologies seem likely to arrive much earlier than the others, but there are nonetheless several independent technologies all heading in the direction of the Singularity – several different technologies which, if they reached a threshold level of sophistication, would enable the creation of smarter-than-human intelligence.

The Singularity is beyond huge, but it can begin with something small. If one smarter-than-human intelligence exists, that mind will find it easier to create still smarter minds. In this respect the dynamic of the Singularity resembles other cases where small causes can have large effects; toppling the first domino in a chain, starting an avalanche with a pebble, perturbing an upright object balanced on its tip. (Human technological civilization occupies a metastable state in which the Singularity is an attractor; once the system starts to flip over to the new state, the flip accelerates.) All it takes is one technology – Artificial Intelligence, brain-computer interfaces, or perhaps something unforeseen – that advances to the point of creating smarter-than-human minds. That one technological advance is the equivalent of the first self-replicating chemical that gave rise to life on Earth.

~from What is the Singularity?


Likewise, here are a few graphs illustrating the possibility:

Below is a graph that shows the approaching transition we face. We can see how the time between major evolutionary and technological advancements is diminishing as we approach a point in time where growth and change will become infinite.




This graph represents Moore’s Law – the driving force behind the accelerating change in computational processing. It states that the number of transistors placed in integrated circuits has been increasing exponentially and as a result doubles every 18-24 months. Once the downsizing of silicon chips reaches it’s limits (at atomic levels), then a new paradigm will inevitably emerge:




The evolution of supercomputing power has increase steadily over the years, and according to current trends, is scheduled to reach the ‘required level for human brain functional simulation’ by 2013. Perhaps this very graph signals the event that will lead to the prophecies regarding the end of 2012:




This last graph illustrates the stages of evolution from simple biology to advanced technology, and eventually where biology merges with technology – we appear to be on the threshold leaving Epoch 4 and entering Epoch 5. Given he length of each epoch decreases dramatically, Epoch 5 should be fairly brief considering the resulting intelligence will be able to enhance itself as it sees fit. The rate of development will then exceed its previous exponential pace.




Epoch 6 will more than likely occur this century and will be the culmination of the 3.9-4.1 billion year history of life on this planet. Just as the mind forever endeavors to truly become self aware, so does the universe. And I suppose in describing what is exactly happening, one could say that they are not only succeeding, but they may also very soon become intimately aware of each other.

More information on The Singularity:

Technological Singularity - Wiki
Ray Kurweil’s technology news website
The Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
Singularity Overview with numerous links
Encouraging a Positive Transcension (AI Buddha versus AI Big Brother)
Why The Future Doesn’t Need Us
Speculative newspaper front page the morning after ‘The Singularity'

People worth researching (Wiki links):

Ray Kurzweil
Vernor Vinge
Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Hans Moravec
Ben Goertzel
Nick Bostrom
Bill Joy
Aubrey de Grey

Whatever happens when the pace of technological progress reaches this point, it's guaranteed to forever change the ways we view and experience the world. Things are happening so quick, it would be good to proceed with caution because the characteristics that make us human are at stake. If we do indeed have something like a soul, that will be at stake as well. Our thoughts, memories, our ability to forget, our concept of time - these things could all be forever altered because of the singularity we approach.


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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:42 AM by Zepherian
The problem with AI, that I don't really see anyone adressing, is that human intelligence is based on a substrata of emotions, which I don't really see any computer system replicating. Our intelligence is based on a somatic response system that transcends the actual brain.

I read the article, but the impression I get is that all that we will have is machines that play an even better game of chess.

Scientists and tecnologists in general imo grossly overestimate their knowledge of what it is to be human, someting which I atribute to a materialistic viewpoint on reality, which closes their mind to a broader understanding of the possibilities of existance. Until they see human beings in their full spectrum I don't expect them to successfully replicate them technologically, although I do expect some credible fac similes, some pretty close but ultimately scripted imitations, devoid of free will and creativity, because they will be devoid of emotion.

I define intelligence as a mix of IQ, EQ (emotional quoficient) and Intuition (which could be the articulation of the previous two, some form of psychic connection to the information field which is reality, or a mix of both). Good luck programming this into your cybernetic interfaces folks.

I won't go as far as saying it's impossible though. But even if it is possible, if something isn't broken why replace it? Humans need good tools, they don't need to be replaced by man plus (which is nice Frederick Pohl novel btw).



reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:50 AM by Zepherian
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Timewave zero, Terrence Mckenna and the fractal phase shift of the human technological paradigm, linked in with 2012 no less. A very interesting outlook and something I follow with some interest. Love the late great mushroom head.

Yet, for all this advancement I still drive what is essentially late 19th century technology, so I am not sure the zero point will be something everyone will be aware of. Still, 2012, if only for the accumulation of change, will be a very interesting year.

Good post!


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:54 AM by Zepherian
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I even put it beyond the brain, they would have to reverse engineer the interaction between the brain and the rest of the body, the whole somatic interface I alluded too, and possibly even the engineer a link between the body and a consciousness field which is something a lot of people are starting to persistantly talk about.

Of course, if we really are on an exponential of technological, cultural, complexification I guess it's a conceptual possibility...


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 05:03 AM by Evasius
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Thank you, I'm definitely a McKenna fan too. I think these endpoints people have spoken about, prophecized, warned about, etc for the upcoming era we approach were all speaking of the same events, and the same time.

People on either end of the spectrum seem unwilling to acknowledge the other, Singularists, timewave fanatics, Mayanists...they all point to this future moment in human history. One thing seems clear, technology is the driving factor in our timeline and where we're all headed.

If you want to research Novelty Theory further, I've posted a thread on the subject here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyway, I agree with what you're saying - the problem is more difficult than we can ever imagine -- we're just too complicated to recreate perfectly. It seems the entire technological process is on auto-pilot and some external force is pulling it forward faster and faster.



reply posted on 26-11-2008 @ 09:36 AM by Anonymous ATS
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I don't see how it isn't possible. I've heard some people say that life is basically a bunch of biological computers


it is because you believe those people who say such things that you think it is possible. The plain fact is we are much more than a bunch of biological computers and that is why they will never cerate anything to match us. They should start by trying to build a computer with more processing power than a snail before making bold claims.
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