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The UFO and JFK Assassination Link




Topic started on 21-11-2008 @ 11:32 PM by schrodingers dog


Where to put this thread?
UFOs or Conspiracy?

A conspiracy is a secret agreement among a group of people attempting to conceal something. The two biggest conspiracies in our lifetimes, if true, are the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the cover-up of the presence of extraterrestrial beings on earth.


Conspiracy it is.
The story:

On June 21, 1947, an airplane pilot named Kenneth Arnold spotted what he described as "flying saucers" over Mt. Rainier in the State of Washington, launching the modern UFO era. The term "flying saucer" soon became part of the UFO lexicon. There were many UFO sightings later in 1947, including the famous Roswell crash incident.

Four people, including Harold Dahl and his son, witnessed the event from a salvage boat in a nearby bay. They reported seeing six doughnut-shaped craft, approximately 20 feet in diameter, hovering high above. Five of the craft formed a circle surrounding a craft in the middle that was wobbling badly. The seemingly damaged craft suddenly dropped down about 700 feet, then spewed two substances -- one was a paper-like metal that floated in the bay and the other was a hot, steaming, black sludge that rained down, striking Dahl's son and killing his dog.

Dahl reported these events to Fred Crisman, a man he believed to have some connections in the intelligence community.


Fred Crisman did indeed have "intelligence" connections in Mr Clay Shaw.

Classified documents, recently discovered under the freedom of information act, also indicate that Crisman turned additional samples he had held back over to CIA agent Clay Shaw.


11/22/1963

In 1963, former CIA agent Clay Shaw was the director of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans, a CIA front organization. He later went to trial as one of the co-conspirators in JFK's death but was found not guilty by a jury. Key evidence linking Shaw to the assassination was not permitted by the trial judge.

According to many JFK assassination researchers, Fred Crisman was one of the three so-called "hobos" who were picked up in the railroad yard immediately following the JFK shooting, then released shortly thereafter.


So both Crisman and Shaw were connected to the UFO incident AND the JFK assassination.
Coincidence?
Maybe, maybe not.

Just another theory to add to the many existing ones and perhaps just as valid.

I encourage you to read the full article as it touches on many more elements and details on this fascinating "angle."

Source: Villageronline.com



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:49 PM by Someone336


I made a thread about this recently, actually!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its a fascinating angle, I think, and one that merits much consideration. In my opinion, it links to Nazi research through Operation Paperclip, and this is why there are so many Nazi connections to the assassination.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:53 PM by schrodingers dog


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Aaaaaagh. Sorry someone, I did a search too. My apologies.
Edit: I need an adult to close the thread please.




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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:05 AM by Someone336


Its not a problem! I'm glad that somebody else finds this connection as interesting as I do. The only problem is, there is only so much information available, and I kept coming to dead ends as far as the UFO angle is concerned. I did discover, however, that a certain Nazi researcher who developed a floating disk concept spent time outside of Dallas working on some top secret project for the government.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:10 AM by schrodingers dog


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Whilst I was looking up Crisman on Wiki I noticed in the references that he was included in Mr. Marrs book "Alien Agenda." I haven't had a chance to read it, do you happen to know if it shed any light on the subject?



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:21 AM by Someone336


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Haven't had the chance to read it yet, but this synopsis from Amazon makes it look promising:


Jim Marrs is best known for Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy (1989), the book that Oliver Stone's film JFK was partially based on. Now Marrs attacks new mysteries and conspiracies in this extensive review of UFO history and government cover-ups. After describing his own UFO sighting near Jackson, Mississippi, in 1952, Marrs recounts his involvement with other UFO cases as a newspaper reporter and his suspicions that the U.S. government knows much more about aliens than it will admit. As his title indicates, the author has concluded that UFOs are piloted by extraterrestrials of various types and with diverse motives. However, rather than taking that conclusion for granted, Marrs guides his readers through 50 years of UFO history that includes some less-traveled byways, off-ramps, and dead ends. He incorporates an ample amount of information from UFO books of the 1960s and 1970s--strange lights on the moon, the ancient-astronaut theories of Erich von Daniken, cattle mutilations, Nazi saucers at the South Pole, the contactees of the 1950s--and updates it credibly with UFO data from the 1980s and 1990s, providing a reasonable survey of abductions, secret underground UFO bases, the MJ-12 group, crop circles, remote viewing, and channeling. How can something as momentous as contact with aliens be kept secret? In an appendix, Marrs refers to the Bilderbergers and the Council on Foreign Relations as examples of how small groups of powerful individuals can withhold information and manipulate world events. The facts are mostly accurate, and the writing is crisp and journalistic.


Might go pick this and "Rise of the Fourth Reich" up tommorow.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:25 AM by schrodingers dog


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Great. I'll make this my last post on this thread.
We'll catch up over on yours.
I encourage everyone else to to do likewise.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:33 AM by Z.S.P.V.G.


i *wonder* sometimes if the 'UFO/Alien thing' is not THE singularity dictating world events, certainly since after WWII and if not loooong before that. but 'things' changed in a big way when the AtomicAeon began..........



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