The Spirit of Resistance- An American Civil Revolution

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posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by jkm1864
Well good thing about the coming depression is everyone will be in the same boat. When peoples kids are hungry and they can't find food its easy to convince them that the government is the problem. We need a french revolution in this country and We have needed it since after WW2 when they created the empire.


Yeah Eisenhower warned of it, JFK died of it.

Eisenhower's farewell speech




posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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So what did the American people do? they voted in a Socialist as their next President.

That will mean more government control, more government interderence in our lives, more taxation for EVERYONE, and less opportunities for all of us.

Where are these so called revolutionaries? They skulk about in the woods, and do nothing because they know that they can do nothing.

Are they going to fight the Marines or the Army? hell no, because they would be cut down like wheat under a combine.

So, they talk and talk and talk. And the fact that they can buy a rifle, play soldier in the woods, etc. just shows how free they really are in this country.



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 11:26 AM
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Things haven't quite gotten bad enough yet. When the mass protests begin from loss of the entire monetary system along with food shortages you will finally see the line in the sand. The line in the sand is the last step before the people just can't take it anymore. The government is on a crash course heading toward that line. When it is finally crossed, and it will be, the only thing left is revolution.

We're looking at 4 - 6 months before the real collapse of the US dollar, revolution, and the break up of the United States into a North American Union.



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 11:30 AM
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4-6 months sounds about right

time to start stocking up on resources people

make friends with like minded people to survive

the initial collapse will be a completely chaotic time so its best to plan ahead




posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 12:18 PM
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HU RAH!reply to post by ADVISOR
 





posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by libertytoall
 


4-6 months sounds about right

time to start stocking up on resources people

make friends with like minded people to survive

the initial collapse will be a completely chaotic time so its best to plan ahead


This has been my plan all along, may I recommend Survival Blog.

My bugout bags are packed, and a few locations are picked out.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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Thanks for adding this.

For those who won't take the time to listen to the less than 2 minute clip, here is a quoted section that is the key part of his farewell speech.



In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
MSU




Let it be known, those who knew, tried.



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 03:07 PM
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Since the subject of Presidential warnings has been added, I must add this next bit. Member Someone336 indirectly helped me find this piece, and it is only a minute and forty five seconds. Please listen to the few words from Kennedy and what he has to say about "conspiracy", "infiltration instead of invasion", "subversion instead of elections", "intimidation instead of free choice", "I am asking your help, a tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people".

These last patriots warned us of what was to come, and asked that we help each other. There are other historical examples, I could go on with presenting them to be viewed, but I will settle for this last addition. Of course, in another thread I feel it may be essential to post the record of the generations worth of warnings to the people.

A selected paragraph, of which the context is about political parties.


The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Washington's Farewell Address



posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Since the subject of Presidential warnings has been added, I must add this next bit. Member Someone336 indirectly helped me find this piece, and it is only a minute and forty five seconds. Please listen to the few words from Kennedy and what he has to say about "conspiracy", "infiltration instead of invasion", "subversion instead of elections", "intimidation instead of free choice", "I am asking your help, a tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people".

These last patriots warned us of what was to come, and asked that we help each other. There are other historical examples, I could go on with presenting them to be viewed, but I will settle for this last addition. Of course, in another thread I feel it may be essential to post the record of the generations worth of warnings to the people.

A selected paragraph, of which the context is about political parties.


The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Washington's Farewell Address


Yeah kennedy's speech on secret societies.

If he only knew things like the Bohemian Grove were coming,
and the Bilderberg meetings every year in violation of the
Logan Act he might have been more direct in his warning.

Kennedy's speech on secret societies

But like I have said, it is too late now barring some catalyzing
event that rallies the country against them.

But I don't see it happening.



posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Leaderless Resistance ...



posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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One liners are looked down on, but to answer a anonymous post, there is no "Leaderless Resistance".

This next bit could not been found at a better time. It is surpriseing the venue it came from how ever, considering the topic and material of this thread. But it is a good thing to see, and will hopefully show people where the military community in general stands.


The Overburden of America’s Outdated Defenses

Lt. Col. John Sayen (U.S. Marine Corps, ret.)

Most of America’s military problems are not new. The most important problems can briefly be summarized as follows:

• Our military has broken its constitutional controls. Our Founding Fathers wanted no more than a very limited size and role for a federal military. They feared standing armies not only because they might be used against the American public, i.e. to establish military rule, but also for their potential to involve us in costly foreign wars that would drain our treasury, erode our freedoms and involve us in the “entangling alliances” that George Washington warned of in his farewell address.

America’s Defense Meltdown


Here is a larger quote from the source I found this at:


America’s Defense Meltdown: Pentagon Reform for President Obama and the New Congress

The Overburden of America’s Outdated Defenses

Lt. Col. John Sayen (U.S. Marine Corps, ret.)

Most of America’s military problems are not new. The most important problems can briefly be summarized as follows:

• Our military has broken its constitutional controls. Our Founding Fathers wanted no more than a very limited size and role for a federal military. They feared standing armies not only because they might be used against the American public, i.e. to establish military rule, but also for their potential to involve us in costly foreign wars that would drain our treasury, erode our freedoms and involve us in the “entangling alliances” that George Washington warned of in his farewell address. At that time our armies were composed mainly of state militias that the president needed the cooperation of Congress and the state governors in order to use. Today, we have one large all-volunteer federal Army, which for all practical purposes responds only to the president and the executive branch. It has engaged in numerous foreign wars, involved us in many entangling alliances, drained our treasury and eroded our liberties just as our Founding Fathers foresaw. It has enabled the president to take the nation to war on little more than his own authority. The recent repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 allows him to unilaterally use the military not only against foreigners, but against the American people as well.

• Our military is inwardly focused. This is to say that it focuses on itself and its internal concerns, rather than looking outward at the world and reacting to what occurs there. This is partly a consequence of domestic politics, which determine the military budget, and partly due to a climate of intellectual laziness and complacency that prefers the glories of the past over the unpleasant realities of the present and future. This has made it very difficult for us either to produce or implement a realistic grand strategy or to adjust to changing realities, particularly the emergence of Fourth Generation War (4GW).

• Our military is very expensive. The “official” budget will soon hit $600 billion per year. This approximates the military budgets of all other nations of the world combined. Some have argued that this amounts to only a few percent of our gross national product (GNP) and that it should be increased. One might reply, however, that the military budget might instead be determined by the military needs of the nation (the determination of which requires looking outward at potential threats) more than an arbitrarily determined portion of its economy. Also, the real budget is much higher than the official one. The official budget does not include the Department of Homeland Security or Veterans Affairs, both of which are really military expenses. The current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are paid for by offline “supplemental” budgets so they are not included either. If one adds these costs the budget climbs to about a trillion dollars. It absorbs much of the government’s discretionary spending and has contributed significantly to the depreciation of the dollar.

• As our military gets more expensive it gets smaller and less capable. Although the current military budget, even adjusting for inflation, is the highest since World War II it buys us only modest forces. At the height of the Reagan military buildup in the 1980s the U.S. Army had 18 active divisions. Yet today, with a higher budget, it has only 10. At the height of the Vietnam War the U.S. military maintained over 500,000 men in Vietnam besides a substantial force in Germany under NATO. It fought an enemy with more than half a million men under arms that had armor, heavy artillery, and even small naval and air forces. The North Vietnamese were also receiving assistance from both the Soviet Union and Communist China. Today, it is all the U.S. military can do to maintain 140,000 to 150,000 troops in Iraq and 30,000 in Afghanistan, where they fight enemies whose combined strength (after Saddam’s fall) seldom if ever exceeded 30,000. Unlike in Vietnam these enemies have no air or naval forces, no modern heavy weapons, little or no formal military training, and no outside support. This dramatic decrease in U.S. capabilities should be no less astonishing than the simultaneous increases in the budget. Worse, the strength of the forces we have is eroded by the skyrocketing costs of new weapons. It has resulted in a shrinking inventory of aging weapon systems only a fraction of which can be replaced because their replacements are too costly.

• Our military is not professional. That is to say its officers, especially the senior ones, are poorly educated in the military profession. U.S. Army training in mechanical skills such as flying an airplane or repairing a truck compares very well to similar training in foreign militaries. However, true comprehension of why things are done as opposed to how to do them, is usually deficient. This makes it much harder to deal with the unfamiliar and unexpected. This in turn relates to the military’s inward focus already referred to. It is easier to focus inwardly on the familiar than outwardly on the unfamiliar. This follows a long American tradition of commissioning officers at the last-minute (usually when a war is just beginning) based largely on civil education and social status, and then giving them training not unlike that of enlisted recruits. Subsequent promotion depends more on politics, social skills and personal ambition than on military and leadership skills. This has left us with a military that has a leadership that has never really learned to “think” in its own profession. Such leaders find it difficult to devise sound strategy or offer advice to their political superiors that they can clearly explain and justify.

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Related:

jamesfallows.theatlantic.com...



posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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The start is what John Stuart Mill talks about in his marketplace of ideas......Sites like this are a goood start...We must discuss ideas, posibilities.....And we have to understand that all ideas are worth dscussing. Who would have thought 5 yrs. ago Obama would have become President?........Possibilities and solutions come from many a wide and varied background.....one is no more right than wrong.........the idea is what is good.....Talk, Discuss, Argue, Tell, See........this is just the beginning......



posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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I can say though if there was a substantial and i mean substantial! action taken by americans where they marched in the millions to washington and physically dragged every corrupt politican out by the scruff of the neck it would start a chain reaction...i dont think this is just an American phenomena...most of us feel we have no control,i speak for the uk atleast.It sounds very elitist and up your own bum to say things like this while im sitting in a nice comfy house,with internet,food in the fridge and some nice cold beers.When people every day are dying in third world countries because they cant even eat



This is also a result of the society we have created,sad to say this poor child is probably already dead.How can someone even *begin* to justify spending 5 trillion dollars...enough to completely eradicate scenes like this in the world...i dont know what to do anymore,i sit here on my internet,talk to all you folks who see the real picture,step outside into the real world and that all falls like a stack of cards and im reminded of how frankly stupid and simply not interested most of the people are about anything outside their little bubble of ignorance.



posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 07:51 PM
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posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 03:24 AM
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it does in fact matter to many even more then whether or not they can watch tv and drink beer as to their freedoms. most just are unaware that they have the right to fight back it is from the systems dumbing down of the people that no one knows what their options are read the constitution it says we have the right to peacably assemble and redress the government our grevances but if they will not hear us we have the right and responsibility to throw off such unjust government and apoint a new one that will hear and fear the will of the people

number 1 the first of our rights have not been used in this holding the government accountable by peacefull assembly in mass to show force

and 2

the goverment thinks we wont fight them with our bare hands if need be they have to be aware we will, end of story!



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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My last post was censored because the moderator apparently believed that I was recruiting for some goup, even though no group was specifically identified in my post nor in the link that it contained. I was not recruiting anyone for anything. I was pointing out that the link in my post takes about how some people are joining groups, which is exactly what we have been discussing on this and other threads. This is blatant censorship which was not warranted.



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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Know Your Enemy

A somewhat dated Video from the mid 1990's.

An excellent historical perspective on "Fractional Reserve Banking", the fraud method used to enslave the world by secret sociopaths, and despots.

Beware of the intelligence and capabilities of these creatures.

The video is worth watching...


History of Opposition to Free People



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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Benjamin Franklin was never a President of the U.S.A.
However I somewhat agree with your statement.



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 10:49 PM
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There seems to be some confusion, in my original post of this thread. The quoted text, which I state: "Below is a suggestion for better understanding key histories surrounding the most outspoken of our former presidents", please note "Key histories surrounding".

No where do I say Franklin is president, if one would go to the linked page, I believe this would be evident, especially since I am referring to that source.

How ever because some confusion has occurred I went back and clarified such in the initial post.

Perhaps I should have been more clear and precise with my wording. Also, thank you for bringing the fact to my attention, yes I know Franklin was never president.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 12:43 AM
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Brave Americans!

Whether you are a man or a woman if you are brave you will know what to do in the event our gov't tries to take our freedom away form us. There are 350 million people in this country and I am sure a few of you have and know how to use a gun. Point and shoot. It is that simple.

This is your country and your tax money, defend it or lose it!

It is that simple!!!!!!

Eye of Eagle





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