Originally posted by asmeone2
Pfff, I already know from local experience that it's going to be very hard to get people to rally together.

Even if you "wake people up" it is SO hard to get people to let go of those divisive issues.

We have got to, as a country, be willing to give some leeways on issues like abortion, gun control, gay marraige, public school sex ed, ect. BEFORE we come together.

I worked on the Ron Paul a little bit here, and one of the frustrating things I saw was a handful of people who were otherwise gung ho about him, and would hav voted for him, but would not because he stated that he wanted to leavea bortion bans up to the states isntead of enact another ban.

Even if we all manage to come together and sing kumbaya, then grab our pitchforks, we have got to let go ofstupid holdups like that, or nothing will ever get done.



Edit: Not to imply that pro-lifers are stupid, at all, I just think it is a very foolish thing to vote or not vote for a candidated based on one issue.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by asmeone2]

Originally posted by Solomons
although i commend the statement,and im not even american but similiar things need to be done here in the uk.You are punching a brick wall,its easy to get lost and think people are really understanding how the world operates when on ATS...step into the real world and people really dont care as long as they can fill their cars with petrol,watch tv and eat food...Give the populace bread and circus and they care not what government does...

Originally posted by Kords21
I couldn't have said it better myself advisor. As long as the masses can have their beer and watch thier sports, it doesn't matter if they get raped by the IRS and the income tax, it doesn't matter if they squeezed even more due to inflation, it doesn't matter if they have to give up rights to be "safe". All that matters are their creature comforts.

Not a knock on beer or sports, but it amazes me how people can recite stats at the drop of a hat, but know next to nothing about where "their candidate" stands on the issues. As more and more things happen and are going to happen, more and more people are going to get even angrier.

I honestly don't see how this country, if not world, can go on much further in the current system. We fought off tyranny once and I can only hope that we have the fortitude to do it again. The first revolution wasn't won in a day and this one wont' be either.

I'm going to love this end the fed rally tomorrow, it's like firing a shot across the bow. Our voices will be heard.

Originally posted by TheBorg
Advisor,

While I can see what you are saying, and admit to the fact that my frustrations have been illustrated here on numerous occasions, I still see a hope for a resolution, not a revolution.

What I'm seeing isn't so much a loss of rights and liberties, but a loss of the illusion of that which we thought we had to begin with. To get angry at the situation we find ourselves in is quite natural, and even warranted, but before action can be taken, an enemy has to be identified. An effort needs to be made to identify individuals responsible for the actions perpetrated against us, and then WE The People would need to see to it that action is taken upon those responsible. But that's not what I think is going on..

What I see is that we're being brought to a level equal with that of the rest of the planet, in every possible way, so that uniformity can be brought to the forefront. We all preach about being one being, of one mind, and one purpose, peace. Yet, at the very same time, we continue to hold onto these antiquated ideals of individual identity and national pride, when we should be focused on the "no one left behind" ideology. We need to pull from the back of the proverbial class, and bring them all to the front, making them the focus of our attention; which I think is exactly what is happening.

I want it stated here that while I feel VERY adamant about my freedoms, and feel as though they are being slowly degraded, I must admit that, if giving a few away initially to garner the rest of the world into the same understanding that we all have, then I'm willing to make that temporary sacrifice.

Should we not get them back, along with those that we help inheriting them, THEN I think is the time to take action, regardless of what it entails, to bring about justice.

As a patriot, I feel it also necessary to state here that while what I've said thusfar seems completely anti-american, it's actually what helped to make us what we are. We are, after all, a "melting pot" of all of the world's peoples. Why wouldn't we want the whole world to join us in understanding.

All that I'm saying here is, that there is perhaps a method to the apparent madness that we see on the news everyday.

I stand beside you brother, regardless of my seeming juxtaposed views.

TheBorg

Edited for clarity.

[edit on 22-11-2008 by TheBorg]

Originally posted by whitewave

Originally posted by DarkspARCS
That's why I suggested a 100 million man march - one third of our country's population.

Startling or frightening the people who have the means, ability and will to blow you to kingdom come is never a good idea.

If there's 100 million people in this country willing to risk their very lives when they don't have to, I'd like to meet 5 of them. (soldiers are excluded since they knew there was risk when they signed up plus most of ours are out of country ATM)

This generation is not the same as the people who went through the depression of '29 or WWII. Our generation was raised with it's feet propped up in front of the TV; drinking swill and eating pretzels. Getting people to voluntarily go hungry, be cold, sleep on the hard ground for extended periods of time, etc. is next to impossible. I have a hard enough time trying to find people willing to go camping for a weekend.

I intend to not let Washington know I exist except as another cog in the wheel. I certainly am not going to march up to their front door and wait to see how itchy their trigger finger is.