yep.
nothing is as it seems, america and the rest of the world.

you are being lied to.

Apparently a false flag operation was necessary to scare the militias of the country into disbanding or being discredited and harassed. Worked pretty well, too.

I think McVeigh did what he was paid to do. He had always been a good soldier and an expert sniper who loved his country. Why would that change? Disgruntled by Waco events? Who wasn't? I don't think it was enough to turn him into an assasin of random targets.

McVeigh's lawyer wrote a fairly interesting book in which he flat out says that he can't tell the public too much and, in fact, much of the evidence and testimony was suppressed in the trial but that we are being lied to.

What inflames me about the OKC bombing is that my daughter was scheduled to go on a field trip downtown that day but that the bus had a flat tire before they got there. She would have been less than 1 block away at the time the bomb went off!

The people in charge don't care who they kill but what gives me hope is the fact that they lie so often can only mean that the truth scares them to death. If TPTB were completely in charge, there'd be no need to lie.

Read the book by Stephan Jones, Others Unknown: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing. Then read some reliable news sources of the time. Not revisionist history from today's internet. Then you can have some good conclusions of your own.

I was working at Fort Riley when the bombing occurred. I heard tons of scuttlebutt at Fort Riley of which some was later confirmed but not acted on.

All in all, this is an interesting case. But it is now history and life goes on.

So, what's the point?

If you all knew that the OK city bombing was an inside job WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE SOMETHING!!!!

When you folks saw the coup 63 happened you argued over how it happened instead of doing something about it!

You know the truth of 911 and instead of moving forward you move your VCR over to make room for the DVD player.

EGADS people stop spreading truth and start spreading Anger! Start spreading Resentment and Malevolence! Get mad!

Get Passionate.

Get up and get going and get to doing something REAL about it.

A.R.M. yo self

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Ed Brown, Kent state, warrentless search and seizure, state controled media

Jeeze lousie folks, I donk mean to get so far off on a rant.... but if your gonna bring up this OLDER subject then your gonna bring up my hurt and frustration that nothing has changed yet.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by titorite]

Anyone else notice the History channel is flloding it's station with Conspiracy theory shows?

One ran all day long called "Conspiracy Test" I think.

Where they have proponents for both sides, then they build full scale mock-ups,and try to see if it was possible for say Hinckly to shoot MLK, Oswald to shoot JFK, the OK City Bombing ect.

Guess what try that they may, they usually have to do things a bit differently , but they always prove that the governments story was correct.

When I say differently, to get the Truck to blow out those colums ect, they actually had to do it two times, they could only duplicate the "official" damage by removing the cover of the back of the truck, and also placing the barrels in a different configuration than McVeigh said. He said he laid them out in a "T" shape. Now why would he lie about that after he knew he was gonna fry.

Also these same stations have been flooding my TV with "Is it real shows" mostly dealing with UFO's.

Has anyone noticed a ramp up in this type of stuff on A&E, History, National Geographic, Science Channels ect?

Also whats the deal with the OP throwing Columbine in there? is there a conspiracy behind that? I thought that one was fairly cut and dry.

A lot of people believe that the Patriot Act was written up during the Bush administration after 9/11. Actually it was written up after the OKC bombing and went by a different name. Clinton tried to get it passed but it failed. Bush and co. merely updated it, renamed it and boom... it passed. I believe the name had eagle in it. will try to look up the name.

Terrance Yeakey tried to do something, look what happened to him. It's not easy to know what to do, much less carry it out. Thank god for sites like this and the truth/patriot movement.

That's not true at all. Timothy McVeigh acted on his own feelings to attack the government after he was wrongfully abused in the military. Open a book rather than a web page sometime. It'll do you some good.

Originally posted by Nola213
Also whats the deal with the OP throwing Columbine in there? is there a conspiracy behind that? I thought that one was fairly cut and dry.

Look into Columbine a little more and there's all kinds of weird things that happened that day:

1.) A NATO truck was parked in the schools parking lot that day. This was seen on the live news footage and now it's nowhere to be found. I remember seeing it and looking at my girlfriend saying "What the hell is NATO doing at a high school shooting?". Students also reported seeing it that day.

2.) Many students reported more than 2 shooters. Some also mentioned it on the live coverage. A lot of them were saying that while Eric and Dylan were inside in the cafeteria, there were others outside throwing pipe bombs into the school and onto the roof of the school.

3.) Students reported a very tall older man with white spiked hair, running through the school shooting and shouting in German. Audio tapes were found in Eric Harris' home. On one of the tapes there's Eric, Dylan and two unknowns. One speaking in Chinese and the other in German.

4.) Some students reported baseballs shattering windows. Baseballs were found outside on the ground below these windows. A potato launcher was found in a trunk of a car near the field where a group of teens in camo clothing were found hiding. This field was in direct site of those windows and a potato launcher can fire a baseball.

5.) If you look at all the suspects that were looked at but later cleared, most of them were wearing dark clothing that day with camo pants.

6.) Snipers were setup on the roofs of some houses nearby. In the police report it's said that these snipers never fired any shots. Later on a man checked his roof to find shell casings.

7.) Dylan Klebold is said to have shot himself. His Tec-9 was found in his right hand with the strap wrapped around his right wrist, bullet entered his left temple. Klebold was left handed and is seen carrying that tec-9 in the videos in his left hand with the strap around his left wrist before entering the library.

8.) Klebold's full autopsy report was never released. The reason: "It would disturb the community"

9.) Students reported that ATF agents were running through the school and shooting into random classrooms and that the hallways were "filled with bodies". The official death count is 15 including Eric and Dylan. Most of those in the library. What were these bodies covering the hallways?

10.) Emergency crews at the school and at the nearby hospitals also reported a lot more bodies. People who worked at one of the hospitals reported men in suits showing up before the shootings even started. When victims started coming in, these men in suits were telling people to keep quiet about what's going on and threatening them.

11.) Eric's father, Wayne Harris, was involved in mind-control type stuff in the military (mk-ultra). All the computer files that Eric Harris wrote (plans, journal entries) were done on his fathers computer. A little strange seeing how he had his own computer.

12.) There was a report made by someone of loud noises (shattered glass) coming from the Harris' garage one night. Eric and Dylan were breaking glass to use in their pipe bombs for shrapnel, Eric's father was in the garage with them. He also showed Eric how to make mortars. The father says he saw no signs of anything before the shootings. No, he was just showing his son how to make shrapnel and mortars for the hell of it

13.) A couple people who have seen the full version of the basement video tapes say they're being kept from the public, not because they're scared of it creating copycats like has been said officially, but because it contains hints that others were involved.

14.) Gun fire and explosions were heard going off for hours after Eric and Dylan apparently committed suicide.

I researched Columbine for a couple years. Got to the point where I just couldn't take it anymore. I was getting sick of it. There's a lot more to that day than what people were told.

Originally posted by blowfishdl
That's not true at all. Timothy McVeigh acted on his own feelings to attack the government after he was wrongfully abused in the military. Open a book rather than a web page sometime. It'll do you some good.

Yeah, dismiss everything I've said without presenting ANY evidence and tell me to go read a book.

No. The Oklahoma City Bombing was a carefully planned black-op carried out by covert sections of the US Military-Intelligence community. There is no debate. It is a proven 'inside job'. The existence of explosives inside the building has been well established, through scientific/seismic/testimonial evidence and initial news reports confirming that bombs were removed from the building and diffused. Only insiders could have the access necessary to plant the explosives within the building.

The bombs inside the building is only the start of the endless fountain of smoking guns. To suggest that the official version is true falls on it's illogical face.

EXCELLENT POST, nightmare_david!!!

At this point we have a lot of contention going on at all levals.

You can be sure that if this was planned then they may have other projects in mind.

If you try and put together the events without the aid of lets say the MSM what would a person conclude.

They would conclude about the same way scoobie doo conlcudes...RO ROH...and find themselves a scooby snack and watch TV. lol

We have a period of time that began to come to fruitition around November 22 1963. I think many were surprised by how good they really were.

Then they just mowed down any witnesses. And carried on with the plan, Stan.

You have the same thing going in other events.

Human nature is not new and not really very evolved....if you want to think in those terms...and I believe we simply have the roots , trunk, branches and fruit of a greedy man made system trying to thwart the power of people.

Hell...just read a little about good ole Thoma Jefferson and you will understand that what we are up against is really not new at all.

Originally posted by hinky
Read the book by Stephan Jones, Others Unknown: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing. Then read some reliable news sources of the time. Not revisionist history from today's internet. Then you can have some good conclusions of your own.

I was working at Fort Riley when the bombing occurred. I heard tons of scuttlebutt at Fort Riley of which some was later confirmed but not acted on.

All in all, this is an interesting case. But it is now history and life goes on.

So, what's the point?

whats the point?!?!?!?