If Obama was found not to be born in American what will happen?, page 1
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 04:20 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by computerwiz32


I thin it would go to Pelosi and Biden

Would be catastophic


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 04:37 PM by computerwiz32
reply to post by Zenagain


Why would Biden be president??? He so far haven't started his term.

I mean like if obama was found to illegaly run for prsidency then wouldn't Biden not be a vp since the election was a fraud if obama was found guilty of anything.

I am just asking a general genearl question. I thought that if Obama has to step down then how would his vp be able to take his place???

I would think Hillary or john would step up.

I am just saying that the term hasn't started. I thought vp can only take over when obama has started his term.


I don't know the laws and how the system will work but thought of this question.

I know the vp purpose is to take over if anything happened with the president. I was told that the vp can only do that when the new president started his term.

So it would be jan 20th so anything before that the vp can't take over.

This is what I was told.

So I thought why not ask it here on ATS.

Thought it was a good question to ask.





reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 04:40 PM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



It would be Biden.

If anything happens to the President there is a list of succession, as shown here with the current people in place;

Order of Presidential Succession

The interesting thing is, that if Obama is removed, the Dems would still have won the election and Biden would hold office. Bearing that in mind, the campaign against Obama taking office takes on a new light, because its not about the politics and its all about the person, and with that particular person you then have to ask why, and that brings about all kinds of unsavoury undertones for motives, with race being very close to the top.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 05:04 PM by Jenna
reply to post by neformore


Technically, Obama is not the president yet. He's actually not technically the president-elect yet either until the electors do their voting. So I'm not sure that the typical rules of succession would apply here.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 05:05 PM by Ian McLean
reply to post by Zenagain


No one has voted for Biden or Obama yet. Obama is expected to officially become president elect on December 15th, when the electoral collage votes.

If a candidate dies or is declared Constitutionally ineligible before the electoral college vote, it's up to the electors to decide who to vote for. If there's no majority decision, the vote goes to the House.

In the election of 1872, Democratic candidate Horace Greeley passed away before the meeting of the Electoral College; the electors who were to have voted for Greeley, finding themselves in a state of disarray, split their votes across several candidates, including three votes cast for the deceased Greeley.
en.wikipedia.org...




reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 05:48 PM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to post by Zenagain


If a candidate dies or is declared Constitutionally ineligible before the electoral college vote, it's up to the electors to decide who to vote for. If there's no majority decision, the vote goes to the House.



As I understand it they would be tied to the popular vote in their state - so they would still be allocating votes to the Obama/Biden ticket wouldn't they?

Anything else would likely cause massive political and social unrest on a likely unprecedented scale.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 05:55 PM by tlshark
Originally posted by neformore


Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to post by Zenagain


If a candidate dies or is declared Constitutionally ineligible before the electoral college vote, it's up to the electors to decide who to vote for. If there's no majority decision, the vote goes to the House.



As I understand it they would be tied to the popular vote in their state - so they would still be allocating votes to the Obama/Biden ticket wouldn't they?

Anything else would likely cause massive political and social unrest on a likely unprecedented scale.



Actually there are several states that due to their states constitution have to vote the way their respective states voted. And then there are also states whose electors have the ability to vote their conscious.

I have been working closely with several different groups sending letters and such to the electors.

Things aren't over in this regard. And it will be very interesting the next couple weeks.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 04:01 PM by computerwiz32
reply to post by Zenagain


I am not fighting or anything. Just want to find out why binden. I know he is the vice president.

If lets say obama was found guilty not being valid how can binden take place ??? when obama was the one who pick them???

I thought the VP can only take place of a president when there term starts.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 04:22 PM by computerwiz32
well, obama is elected president. The problem it's not offical yet.

he has to do paper work and pick people for his admin.

on Jan 20th it will be offical when obama goes into office.

I am just asking if obama or any future person that was eletect president but lets say in between the nov and jan 20th we find out he can't be president because he wasn't born in america.

Now that president was found guilty. Why would his VP that he picked be president?

I know the VP job is to take place of the president but that is only when there term starts.

Obama terms starts on Jan 20th. So if anything happens before that like he was found guilty of something and had to step down as president. I wouldn't think binden would be president since the term didn't start.

I would think hiliary clinton would since the democrats won the election.


I am not arguing with anyone. Just had this question and thought it was a good question to ask.

I am no expert in politics. I do know that obama is not offically president until Jan 20th.

and if anything happens legally that forces obama to step down then binden can't be president.

however if obama was shot then binden can be the president even before the term.

I just think that if obama was found guilty of something that forced him to step down and he didn't start his term yet then binden can't be the president he could only be the presiden if that legal thing happends when they started their term.

but I am still interested in finding out what would really happen.

I know for sure Obama will be our president.

it's just I was courious about the transition and on future presidents what if this happens where the presedent is forced to step down before his term. Would the VP take the P place???

I thought the VP can't take over only in a case where the president was found guilty that had to force him to step down before his term starts since he wasn't legally president and the VP wasn't legally a VP therefor the VP can't take the P place unless there term starts.


it's like if a a guy a ceo is starting a company and he eleced you to be a vp that if he dies you will be the next ceo etc.

well the company dose not exist so while the ceo is incorporating a company he has a heart attack.

Well if the legal documents are not filled then how can you take over a company that dosen't exist yet.

that is a anology on what I am say.. this goes for presidency. from the time you wont the election to the time between from nov to jan20th you are doing nothing but legal papers to make your presidentcy offical.

now if something happens in that process what are the rules/laws that come into effect.

we know the VP has to take over that is the point to why we have a VP. But if the VP and the president wasn't ofiical by law then how can he take the new presidents place?


this is my question.


reply posted on 7-12-2008 @ 04:03 PM by computerwiz32
reply to post by its bologna


I am talking about the transition. Obama is not legally president. He won the election but he has to go through the legal process. The legal papers ect.

The reason I thought Hillary because democrats won the election. The democrats choosed obama after the primary election which made democrats pick obama to run.

If is something happens to obama before jan 20th the VP can't take over because legally he didn't start him term therefore he is not a offical VP according to the law. So since they are not officle or obama was caught illegally breaking any laws or found out he dosen't quaifiy to be president for what ever reason then the VP can't take over.

it's like if Bush was caught rigging the election and they found out before he started his term would it make any sense to say well bush you must step down and allow your VP to be president.

I mean a crook picks a vp that is a cook it's like no difference. I was told by the law obama has to pick people of his admin and had to sign documents ect so does the VP and then bush has to sign off once it is signed off by bush it is offical by the law that Obama Is president.

Now anything happens inbetween any legal matter like obama done a crime or dosen't qualify then the VP can't take over he can only take over if Obama got shot or aliens took him etc... even during the process. The only thing is if obama had to step down due to some legal matter..

So I thought if dem win and obama had to step down before his term then I would think hiliary clinton would take over since she was second on the primary election.

It was pure opinion. I don't know the legal aspect on the stuff. I hear alot on ATS and other places talking about obama might have to step down due to birth certificate.

So I thought why not post a thread on a question to try and figure out who legally should be president if obama had to step down for any legal reason.

I thought this thread question was a good one and I saw less worrying about who will take obama place. I know VP is supposed to. I even thought VP would but then finding out that obama is not offically nor legally a president then why would the VP step in if he is not offically a VP???

It's kinda like I am applying for a job as a CEO of a company yet I know I will get hired in I mean the person interviewing me would tell well seems you will get the job. They call you that you got the job and come by the office to fill out payment and all other legal forms.

So I am happy... now I know I got the job but I can't show up at the JOB and start bossing people around because it's not offical. I mean the peole could tell me when I show up that oh we heard that you call someone a name on the way in and decided to not hire you.

I mean anything could happen between my trip from my house to the office to get the legal papers in order.

So I am just sayinig obama is not offical and wanted to know what would happen during this process if obama has some legal issue that dosen't allow him to permit to be a president would the VP be the one to step in or would the law view the VP as faulty and have the democrats pick someone and if the democrats pick someone it would be hiliary andif not can't hillary wine about is saying hey I was secondary in the primary that she should be the one to step in.

Hope you understand my reasoning on asking. I personaly don't know the laws that is why I ask.

If I question your statement I am not aruging iwth you. I am just plain out trying to undertand your reasoning and trying to find out if it's your opinion or you have come background that your statment would be more creditable then mine.

I know for sure we all won't know the 100% answer... If we do we would or should be working in the job market in politics.

Just want a discussion to help educate us to some extent. I am open minded. I see here someone posted that obama didn't really won yet but is expected he offically wins in dec 15th.

That I never heard before but you didn't see me going attacking him saying oh your bsing me.

I look at it as hmmm why is that... he gave sources showing that hey he is not saying out of just opinion he has something to back his statement out.

I am just saying if I ask this question to a engineer or a clerk at a store I will get 2 different reasons and view points. If I ask a congressmen and a economist I would get 2 different responses... Most likely the congressmen would be right however I don't take his work for it unless he can refer me to why he thinks that way. So any laws I can look up and see that would make me say ok the law is there and the congressman is right.


This question was open to anyone.. you can sate your opinion here... But the purpose of this was to see everyone viewpoint on this and try to answer the question to the best that we can.

If I wanted a legit answer I would of ask a congressmen or a professor that teaches political subjects.

Most likely I would ask directly to the people that will be involved if such a event does happen in the future.

Those are my reasons I thought Hillary would be president.
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