If Obama was found not to be born in American what will happen?

HI, I want to ask eveyone here on ATS,about what if obama was found to not be born in america what would happen?


Well, I notice alot here on ATS has posts about obama being born in kenya and many other things which could cost his presidency.

If for instants this was true and he had to step down, who would be the president???

would it be john ???? would it be hillary clinton? or would it be obamas VP(vice president)?

I would just ask what you would think and also if you know the laws that would answer my question.

I think it would be hillary clinton since she was second in the pre-election.

So I just thought of this thinking if obama loses his presidency what would happen and who would step up?

I would also feel a riot may occure if obama has to step down. Since everyone is happy we got our first black president and if we lose that it would send a wrong message.

So I am curious on who would have to step up and take obamas place if he is found to not be natural born or any circumstances that will make him lose this position.

reply to post by computerwiz32

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I thin it would go to Pelosi and Biden

Would be catastophic

Well, he most certainly WAS born in the United States, have no doubt that long before he was elected, everyone NOT living in bizzaro world understood this. But in bizzaro world? Biden would be President.

reply to post by Zenagain

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Why would Biden be president??? He so far haven't started his term.

I mean like if obama was found to illegaly run for prsidency then wouldn't Biden not be a vp since the election was a fraud if obama was found guilty of anything.

I am just asking a general genearl question. I thought that if Obama has to step down then how would his vp be able to take his place???

I would think Hillary or john would step up.

I am just saying that the term hasn't started. I thought vp can only take over when obama has started his term.


I don't know the laws and how the system will work but thought of this question.

I know the vp purpose is to take over if anything happened with the president. I was told that the vp can only do that when the new president started his term.

So it would be jan 20th so anything before that the vp can't take over.

This is what I was told.

So I thought why not ask it here on ATS.

Thought it was a good question to ask.

So let me get this straight, you ask a question, get an answer, then argue with the answer? Why bother asking? Biden has been elected ALONG WITH Obama and just like if Obama was assassinated, had a heart attack, was abducted by aliens, Joe Biden would become president elect. You don't have to be happy with it for it to be true.

reply to post by neformore

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Technically, Obama is not the president yet. He's actually not technically the president-elect yet either until the electors do their voting. So I'm not sure that the typical rules of succession would apply here.

reply to post by Zenagain

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No one has voted for Biden or Obama yet. Obama is expected to officially become president elect on December 15th, when the electoral collage votes.

If a candidate dies or is declared Constitutionally ineligible before the electoral college vote, it's up to the electors to decide who to vote for. If there's no majority decision, the vote goes to the House.

At this point I guess it wouldn't be too bad.. if they solved it in the next couple weeks. Technically he hasn't been elected. Don't the electorates need to cast votes before its official?

Where you there? Are you related to Obama?

Heck the kids here playing for the State Championship in pop warner football have to show an actual birth certificate, and the "chosen one" has yet to show his actual certificate.

I am glad you are so certain, there are several million of us who are not so sure.

Actually there are several states that due to their states constitution have to vote the way their respective states voted. And then there are also states whose electors have the ability to vote their conscious.

I have been working closely with several different groups sending letters and such to the electors.

Things aren't over in this regard. And it will be very interesting the next couple weeks.

Very simply, he could not be the President of the United States of America.

But, since he actually was born in Hawaii (contrary to the paranoid ideas of the nutcases), this will not be a problem at all.

I'm not an expert on U.S. politics, but there have been many loopholes used by people in the USGov in the past in order to get what they wanted.

They'll just find another way here to skip past this one.

I mean, the majority of the population would turn a blind eye to this one because the love/worship him so much.

For you online gamblers in the US out there, you'll remember a few years ago the USGov passed the UIGEA - the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA), which was snuck in by a 'loophole' onto the SAFEPort act. This forced many global sportsbook to miss out of the American pie, and in vice versa, stopped many hard-working, honest Americans from doing something that millions of others in the world could do hassle-free. Play a bit of online poker, slots or bet on your fave team. Harmless, but the US Gov was missing out on the pie because they hadn't regulated it like the UK did. What do the U.S. ports and online poker, casinos, sportsbooks have to do with each other?

So, my feeling is, no worries... whether he was born in Kenya or not... he won't have to give up his seat. Obama is there for a reason, why else would they have put him up against dumb and dumber?

If the candidate dies, or is disqualified BEFORE the electors meet, then they are free to vote for any candidate of their choice. It need not be anyone that ran for office. Some states would however require that their electors vote for the vice presidential candidate that carried their state.

No state requires an elector to vote for the 2nd person on the ticket, if the President elect can not serve for any reason.

If the candidate dies, or is disqualified or becomes disabled after the electors vote, then the Vice President elect becomes the President.

You people really should research these things.

reply to post by Zenagain

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I am not fighting or anything. Just want to find out why binden. I know he is the vice president.

If lets say obama was found guilty not being valid how can binden take place ??? when obama was the one who pick them???

I thought the VP can only take place of a president when there term starts.

well, obama is elected president. The problem it's not offical yet.

he has to do paper work and pick people for his admin.

on Jan 20th it will be offical when obama goes into office.

I am just asking if obama or any future person that was eletect president but lets say in between the nov and jan 20th we find out he can't be president because he wasn't born in america.

Now that president was found guilty. Why would his VP that he picked be president?

I know the VP job is to take place of the president but that is only when there term starts.

Obama terms starts on Jan 20th. So if anything happens before that like he was found guilty of something and had to step down as president. I wouldn't think binden would be president since the term didn't start.

I would think hiliary clinton would since the democrats won the election.


I am not arguing with anyone. Just had this question and thought it was a good question to ask.

I am no expert in politics. I do know that obama is not offically president until Jan 20th.

and if anything happens legally that forces obama to step down then binden can't be president.

however if obama was shot then binden can be the president even before the term.

I just think that if obama was found guilty of something that forced him to step down and he didn't start his term yet then binden can't be the president he could only be the presiden if that legal thing happends when they started their term.

but I am still interested in finding out what would really happen.

I know for sure Obama will be our president.

it's just I was courious about the transition and on future presidents what if this happens where the presedent is forced to step down before his term. Would the VP take the P place???

I thought the VP can't take over only in a case where the president was found guilty that had to force him to step down before his term starts since he wasn't legally president and the VP wasn't legally a VP therefor the VP can't take the P place unless there term starts.


it's like if a a guy a ceo is starting a company and he eleced you to be a vp that if he dies you will be the next ceo etc.

well the company dose not exist so while the ceo is incorporating a company he has a heart attack.

Well if the legal documents are not filled then how can you take over a company that dosen't exist yet.

that is a anology on what I am say.. this goes for presidency. from the time you wont the election to the time between from nov to jan20th you are doing nothing but legal papers to make your presidentcy offical.

now if something happens in that process what are the rules/laws that come into effect.

we know the VP has to take over that is the point to why we have a VP. But if the VP and the president wasn't ofiical by law then how can he take the new presidents place?


this is my question.

After the Electoral College votes for Obama, as per the 20th Amendement of the constitution, if something should happen to the president elect or if the president elect fails to qualify, the Vice President elect would then be named the President..unless the Vice President elect also failed to qualify or died. Then it would be left up to Congress.

I don't understand how you would think that Hillary would become president only because the Democrats won.

reply to post by its bologna

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I am talking about the transition. Obama is not legally president. He won the election but he has to go through the legal process. The legal papers ect.

The reason I thought Hillary because democrats won the election. The democrats choosed obama after the primary election which made democrats pick obama to run.

If is something happens to obama before jan 20th the VP can't take over because legally he didn't start him term therefore he is not a offical VP according to the law. So since they are not officle or obama was caught illegally breaking any laws or found out he dosen't quaifiy to be president for what ever reason then the VP can't take over.

it's like if Bush was caught rigging the election and they found out before he started his term would it make any sense to say well bush you must step down and allow your VP to be president.

I mean a crook picks a vp that is a cook it's like no difference. I was told by the law obama has to pick people of his admin and had to sign documents ect so does the VP and then bush has to sign off once it is signed off by bush it is offical by the law that Obama Is president.

Now anything happens inbetween any legal matter like obama done a crime or dosen't qualify then the VP can't take over he can only take over if Obama got shot or aliens took him etc... even during the process. The only thing is if obama had to step down due to some legal matter..

So I thought if dem win and obama had to step down before his term then I would think hiliary clinton would take over since she was second on the primary election.

It was pure opinion. I don't know the legal aspect on the stuff. I hear alot on ATS and other places talking about obama might have to step down due to birth certificate.

So I thought why not post a thread on a question to try and figure out who legally should be president if obama had to step down for any legal reason.

I thought this thread question was a good one and I saw less worrying about who will take obama place. I know VP is supposed to. I even thought VP would but then finding out that obama is not offically nor legally a president then why would the VP step in if he is not offically a VP???

It's kinda like I am applying for a job as a CEO of a company yet I know I will get hired in I mean the person interviewing me would tell well seems you will get the job. They call you that you got the job and come by the office to fill out payment and all other legal forms.

So I am happy... now I know I got the job but I can't show up at the JOB and start bossing people around because it's not offical. I mean the peole could tell me when I show up that oh we heard that you call someone a name on the way in and decided to not hire you.

I mean anything could happen between my trip from my house to the office to get the legal papers in order.

So I am just sayinig obama is not offical and wanted to know what would happen during this process if obama has some legal issue that dosen't allow him to permit to be a president would the VP be the one to step in or would the law view the VP as faulty and have the democrats pick someone and if the democrats pick someone it would be hiliary andif not can't hillary wine about is saying hey I was secondary in the primary that she should be the one to step in.

Hope you understand my reasoning on asking. I personaly don't know the laws that is why I ask.

If I question your statement I am not aruging iwth you. I am just plain out trying to undertand your reasoning and trying to find out if it's your opinion or you have come background that your statment would be more creditable then mine.

I know for sure we all won't know the 100% answer... If we do we would or should be working in the job market in politics.

Just want a discussion to help educate us to some extent. I am open minded. I see here someone posted that obama didn't really won yet but is expected he offically wins in dec 15th.

That I never heard before but you didn't see me going attacking him saying oh your bsing me.

I look at it as hmmm why is that... he gave sources showing that hey he is not saying out of just opinion he has something to back his statement out.

I am just saying if I ask this question to a engineer or a clerk at a store I will get 2 different reasons and view points. If I ask a congressmen and a economist I would get 2 different responses... Most likely the congressmen would be right however I don't take his work for it unless he can refer me to why he thinks that way. So any laws I can look up and see that would make me say ok the law is there and the congressman is right.


This question was open to anyone.. you can sate your opinion here... But the purpose of this was to see everyone viewpoint on this and try to answer the question to the best that we can.

If I wanted a legit answer I would of ask a congressmen or a professor that teaches political subjects.

Most likely I would ask directly to the people that will be involved if such a event does happen in the future.

Those are my reasons I thought Hillary would be president.

On a tangent, It's interesting to note the lack of a paper trail throughout Obama's life, including birth certificate.