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Obese have right to 2 airline seats: Canada court


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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:11 PM by VelmaLu


Originally posted by Unit541
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Are you serious? You really don't understand that since someone with 35% body fat (also referred to as BMI or "Body Mass Index") is considered OBESE, and that an OBESE person is statistically at 2x to3x the chance of dying prematurely, than the person with 7% body fat (who is NOT obese)?

See, you're airline seat argument evaporated, and you've now turned this into a thread about whether or not it's healthy to be obese. There are some pretty far out topics on ATS, I think this is the first of it's kind however.

Of all the outlandish claims made on this website, I never thought I'd see someone claim an obesity poses no health risks.


Yes, I've actually read the research and written extensively on it.

You can have a body fat percentage of 35% be physically fit and very healthy. You can have a body fat percentage of 7% and smoke, have cancer, AIDS and drink excessively.

Body fat percentage IN AND OF ITSELF is no predictor of health.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:13 PM by mattifikation


Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
To the rational members:

Please stop trying to prove a point. You won't do it.

Dedicate your debate powers to a thread where your opposition is rational.

Thank you.



Quoting these incredibly wise words, so that they may be found easily at the top of this new page.

I agree entirely.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:13 PM by HERACAT


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Not trying to start something but arent boby fat % and BMI two different things? As I understand it your BF% and BMI would probaly be two different numbers even though they might indicate the same condition.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:19 PM by ZombieOctopus


I saw this too, it's ridiculous. It doesn't take much intelligence to realize why this isn't right, it's quite simple. It's a plane! A plane has weight restrictions which are enforced through *gasp* assigning units of seating. If someone's immense ass is overflowing the sides of the seat, he's over the limit, take a bus.

Besides potentially being a safety issue if there's enough obese people on a single flight, it's extremely unpleasant for everyone in their vicinity. I don't want half of someones ass on my seat nor do I want their arm flab slapping me in the face during turbulence.

The solution will be equally as simple, change the language of the ticket sales from "per person" to "per seating unit". I bet it doesn't take a year to happen.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:24 PM by deadline527


Since some people seem to not get it.. This is what many of us are saying. No matter if you are obese, tall, muscular, or whatever - if you take up two seats, you should by two tickets.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:30 PM by mattifikation


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I fail to see how childish insults can further our argument. Comparing large people to hippos? Really? Shame. :-(



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:30 PM by MakeSoap


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Do you think that a government file on this case would be classified "above top secret?" No way. Go post in a "news no one cares about" forum. This site is for conspiracies. I hate looking at the top stories and seeing crap like this taking up space.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:37 PM by bknapple32


Originally posted by MakeSoap
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Do you think that a government file on this case would be classified "above top secret?" No way. Go post in a "news no one cares about" forum. This site is for conspiracies. I hate looking at the top stories and seeing crap like this taking up space.


i love when people who have been on this site for 4 days can tell us what ATS is all about.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:38 PM by deadline527


Originally posted by mattifikation
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I fail to see how childish insults can further our argument. Comparing large people to hippos? Really? Shame. :-(


Actually thats no where near what was intended. I just picked a image of something that obviously would not fit in a single seat.

So I guess I'm comparing tall people and muscular people to hippos as well?

I could have put a ride-on lawnmower there for all it matters, but then you'd probably complain that im comparing obese people to a john deer tractor.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:04 AM by mattifikation


...
Dear God, you honestly don't see how grouping people with hippos - regardless of your intended meaning behind the image - could possibly be offensive?

No wonder it's impossible to have a rational debate about this sort of thing. You can't bring it up in public without people coming along who just won't think before they speak.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:10 AM by SINNER901


Just last month I boarded a plane for a flight from Tokyo To Bangkok.
I was supposed to have the isle seat (of 3).
I assume they were Sumo wrestlers.
The isle seat no longer existed!
The plane was fully booked.
I had to catch the next available flight.
I waited 9 hours.
But they were happy, jovial people.
And they probably didn't miss their connecting flight.

VelmaLu...................were we married once?



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:20 AM by C0bzz


Why is a court, deciding how fully privatised corporations should charge their customers? That's what I want to know. Maybe an overweight person should go to court demanding two pizzas for the price of one, after all, 'one-person-one-charge'. If these idiots do not like it, they should go start their own airline.

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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:30 AM by MakeSoap


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I created a membership 4 days ago. I've been reading and posting annon. for almost a year. Don't jump to conclusions buddy.

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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:31 AM by GodshipForAll


Originally posted by bknapple32
Originally posted by MakeSoap
reply to post by LostNemesis



Do you think that a government file on this case would be classified "above top secret?" No way. Go post in a "news no one cares about" forum. This site is for conspiracies. I hate looking at the top stories and seeing crap like this taking up space.


i love when people who have been on this site for 4 days can tell us what ATS is all about.


Well I've been browsing ATS for years and only recently became a member this summer, And it is annoying to see this on a conspiracy site a little.....I guess its alternative topics but this is just another story from problems from a disfunctional society lol


But anyways,
There needs to be a correction to adjust to the ailments of our rise in obesity. Set new standards on foods we let out on market. Un-nutritious foods flood the market, look at a convienant store, It's my estimation that 80 percent of the products sold there are junk, and only help compound the problem with obesity.

However, they're should be a disabled section of the plan to allow for occurences of such problems untill we can solve the epidemic. We are here to help eachother and to support one another, not to lay blame or deny ignorance. We can all do are part by not supporting unhealthy foods even being allowed onto the market and by taking an obese friend exercising.

Peace



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:33 AM by caterpillage


Must chime in in support of, If you require two seats, you must pay for two seats. I don't really care who or what you are, you need to pay for two. Or stay home. And I'm not a "fat basher" as I'm 40 LBS overweight myself.

Of course someone with a medical reason, I can't argue against them. Airlines should have to have a few larger seats for the medically obese, but if you have no medical reason,,, PAY BABY PAY!



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:33 AM by bknapple32


Originally posted by MakeSoap
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I created a membership 4 days ago. I've been reading and posting annon. for almost a year. Don't jump to conclusions buddy.


MMMk buddy. Well , if you want conspiracy, I suggest going to one of the many numerous sections of this site. this particular section of ATs happens to be devoted to alt. news.. and this thread , devoted to fat obese people taking up two seats and only paying for one


but you knew that being a long time lurker and all



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:39 AM by deadline527


Originally posted by C0bzz
Why is a court, deciding how fully privatised corporations should charge their customers? That's what I want to know. Maybe an overweight person should go to court demanding two pizzas for the price of one, after all, 'one-person-one-charge'. If these idiots do not like it, they should go start their own airline.

[edit on 22/11/2008 by C0bzz]


Reminds me of the gays complaining that eHarmony only matches men with women, so they complained and had a court ORDER a PRIVATE company to change their business model. If somewhere doesn't offer something you want, go somewhere else.

Now, I do believe there should be specific seats for morbidly obese people. Nothing is worse then having a fat body invading your comfort zone, be it on a plane, train, or bus. But, how do they know how many obese people will be getting on the plane? Simplest solution obviously would be make them pay for however many seats they take up, but people dont understand that.

Also, couldn't it be considered a safety hazard having someone so fat that they do not fit in the seat correctly? What if there was a situation where the plane was experiencing turbulence, and an obese body caused injury to the person they are "sharing" a seat with? Thats a lot of weight to be throwing around, and it would be even more dangerous if it happened to be a child sitting next to someone like that.

archives.cnn.com...


Barbara Hewson, 63, was offered damages by Virgin Atlantic after suffering a blood clot, torn leg muscles and sciatica following a flight to Los Angeles in January 2001, the UK's Press Association reported.

She said the woman passenger was so large she had to sit with the arm rests up, but when she complained, the crew said there was nothing they could do as the plane was full.



What a horrible situation for that poor lady..

Or, they could just create larger seats due to the increasing girth of the worlds populations.. but that would require money, and the loss of available seating room - which means even more loss of money, so I doubt that would ever happen.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:43 AM by 1rked44


I think this is just another part of an overall massive conspiracy. At some point, actions like this will have a backlash effect, such as I see in some of the comments on this thread. More of the ol' "divide and conquer" method of controlling the populace, and keep us focused on petty issues while the planet slowly suffers. Call me paranoid; I just see this as one more step in a gigantic 'plan'.



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:44 AM by woogleuk


OK, i have only read the first few posts on this thread, so i may be out of context, and in some peoples minds, out of order.

But.....I have a friend who WAS 42 stone in weight, and I used to do all his housework for him, we all did stuff for him, go to the shop, post his mail, make his dinner! One day a few of us got together and i was told not to do it, make him do it himself, etc etc.............
It was out of concern, concern for his weight, if he started doing it for himself he may learn valuable lesson, lose weight, and he did.

Because we refused to help him, because we shamed him, he went and got a ballon in his stomach, then a gastrict band, extreme i know, but it was an eating disorder. Now, 16 stone lighter, he is doing everything for himself, and we are proud of him.

The moral of the story is, if someone is so obese it is dangerous for them, be unkind, dont help them, charge them two seats instead of one, dont do stuff for them, shame them, make them realise being big isn't good ( i know this thread is more about the money maker cashing in, im just trying to make a point) because anything that helps them to realise they need to lose weight is a good thing, i thank god that my friend, my best friend, is now losing the weight that in the end, was gonna kill him.

Maybe the companys charing extra for seats is about money, but it still drives a message home.


Peace.

[edit on 22/11/08 by woogleuk]



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