Originally posted by mpeake
Once again, a very thorough and concise reply and I appreciate it Liblam! Thinking for ones self is (or the lack therof) is the most important thing
an individual can ever do in life. The life we have is so saturated with the material things that people are not require to think for themselves,
thus they lose thier identity. For example, "I think, therefore I am" is so true, so one can conclude that if you don't think for yourself then
you have no "self". But that's sorta off topic here huh?
I'm not into topics, so go as "off topic" as your heart desires! I don't like restrictions, because very often what people consider "off topic"
is directly or indirectly related to the "topic", even if they don't see the connection. And what you just said is very much related to the topic,
maybe more than you realise as of now? Vast majority of people don't have much of a self, as most of their "decisions" and "choices" are forced,
conditioned, programmed, and done without much thought. Even when they think they're applying "thought", usually it is guided and restricted
severely, and therefore is not much thought at all, it is controlled within the "box" that is created for them.
Your interaction with "God" depends on how much faith you have in terms of your potential and the potential of creation itself. If you choose
entropy, where you create a world of illusion and you fail to progress and learn, you are truly of little faith and you "reap what you sew". And
I'm not talking about "faith" as in "belief", but I'm talking about faith where you realise the infinite potential of yourself and all that
exists, and you embrace it by learning all you can about creation, and therefore raising your awareness level and progressing towards "God", as you
follow the "creative principle". I know I used some unfamiliar terms to you, but I'm having issues with restraining myself here, because there is
MUCH I'd like to share, but cannot, until asked, as I respect your free will (or try anyway, tho sometimes it's difficult when I'm so anxious to go
I gotta be honest with you and mOjOm. You 2 are both way out of my league when it comes to this topic. I am not ashamed to admit. Rather envyous of
your knowledge, but hopefully as I go thru life that envy will change as I have grown in the field of "truth".
Let me fill you in on a little secret. You only know as much as you choose to know. If you instead choose to believe and assume, and practice
"wishful thinking", then you are choosing not to know, and this is plain and simple to see and understand, isn't it? People have a fear of
admitting to themselves and others a very simple thing: "I don't KNOW!". People choose to believe instead, to create the illusion of knowledge for
themselves, as it is extremely insecure to "not know" and admit it to yourself. But until you are honest with your self, you will continue to live
in an illusion! Why do you think even JESUS said over and over again, "KNOW THYSELF". Throughout the ages, this phrase has been reiterated by all
the so-called "masters" and "gurus" of philosophy and greater knowledge, even if afterwards religions were created in their names, and their
teachings corrupted and twisted for the benefit of the elite.
So what does "know thyself" mean to you? If you truly seek "higher knowledge" or "supreme knowledge" or let's cut out the adjectives and just
say "knowledge", then knowing yourself is the very first step, because your programming and illusions are screening reality for you, preventing you
from seeing what IS. Why do you think religions tell you to not question their doctrines? Upon open minded questioning comes realisation, that all of
religions are controls, designed to inslave your entire being into subservience. God needs no WORSHIPPERS. God needs no rituals, no symbols, no
bowing, no RESPECT, God needs nothing because he's ALL THAT IS. Any form of "obedience" and "worship" is designed by a control system, in order
to prevent you from seeing the truth, and keeps you in "check" as you literally ARE AFRAID of questioning the "doctrines" for fear of some kind of
PUNISHMENT. The mind programming is extremely powerful and hard to overcome, but when you do, you experience enlightenment (again that word,
"Light"), and with that, comes knowledge and new awareness, beyond your wildest dreams at this point.
But the first step, is KNOW THYSELF. This is much more difficult and involved than meets the eye.
Fortunately for me, knowledge is not the same as intelligence. Intellegence is the ability to obtain knowledge, and that, I feel, is not lacking in
myself. I thirst for knowledge. Until my progression gets to the next level I am forced to answer in my own way.
You see, your progression depends on your knowledge! It's not the other way around. The more effort you put in to understand and KNOW, the higher
your awareness becomes, and when you know ENOUGH, you go to the next level of awareness, as your current form of existance will no longer suit you.
However, the knowledge must be GAINED WITH EFFORT, you cannot sit there and wait for it to drop from the sky on you. If you don't put in the effort,
you never rise to the "next level". You must build your own ladder to the next floor, you cannot sit around waiting to grow wings - it won't
The points that Liblam bring up are meant to get me to challange the general "Christian" views of God and exixtence and I understand that I sound
like I'm chock-full of em. My father was a pastor so it's sorta in my DNA, if you will, to have these views.
Is not! It's your choice to have them!
BUT, I am not a child anymore and do not see eye to eye with my upbringing. So, where does that put me? One could say that I beleive what I do
because I am looking for an easy way out, or need to hold onto something that "feels good". If I saw someone say the things I do, I may have the
same accusations. Let me put it like this, I beleive that all humans are born with the need to "beleive".
No, humans choose to believe. Why? Because we're all born SERVICE TO SELF. Belief comes with the territory! You know what I'd suggest? Get out of
the habit of using the word belief in your lexicon. No longer believe things, try to arrive at your conclusions through RESEARCH and mental exercise
instead. Our "need to believe" is really a DESIRE to believe, and we HAVE this desire because we are SERVICE TO SELF. This is not my belief, it is
what I know from research and experience. You can know it too, and you don't have to "go it alone", there is help available when you ask. But you
need to learn to truly ask first, which is a learning experience in and of itself.
To me, even the athiest need to beleive that they are thier own gods so to speak. If you disagree, I understand, I'm not getting into a
philisophical debate with anyone here for sure!
But, I still feel that the need to beleive is in all of us. Why else would it be in the fabric of every race and creed.
I just told you, because all humans are service to self. Belief is a service to self action, it only serves you to pretend to know that which you do
not! There is much more to this, but this is the "gist" of it.
So then, for me I beleive in a Creator of all things. However you want to put a spin on it feel free. For me it will always come back to the
simple answer. God was, is, and will always be here.
Enjoy my ramblings!
Yes, he is, was, and always will be. But is "He" separate from his creation? If you are satisfied in your belief and want to stop there, that is
your choice. But if ever you wish to open your mind and learn, where you don't "memorize dogma" or "believe teachings", but learn to think and
figure things out through EFFORT, so you can KNOW it without doubt - then by all means don't hesitate, just go for it
You have your own path, as we all do. If you ever need help or want to discuss certain things, feel free to u2u me, as I'm always eager to network
with those who ask. I learn more about you and your understanding, you learn more about mine, and we share knowledge that creates a balancing of
energies. Networking is a SERVICE TO OTHERS principle, and even though all humans are service to self, some made the choice to learn and become
service to others candidates, as they move closer and closer to that way of existance.
[edit on 12-6-2004 by lilblam]