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When Do We Start To Fight Back?

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posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 06:05 PM
when the benefits outweigh the risks and the public is given the opportunity to form a common voice.

posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 01:54 AM
reply to post by Question

Well, lets see who we've seen... Rothchilds, Rockerfeller's, those in the Bilderberg Group, High Freemasons, High Jesuits... Paulson, Bernanke, Cox... let's not forget members in good standing of the Trilateral Commission, members in good standing on the Council of Foreign Relations (yes there's overlap... i know.. i know) have all been seen on various DVD's from such documentarians as Alex Jones, Jason Bermas... that'd be someplace to start.
to all of them. Stop their Endgame.

posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 10:15 AM
Have you talked to John Q Public? This post address less than 1%. Most people have no clue. Untill the SHEEPLE MASSES realize there is a problem nothing will change. Peace

posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 04:50 PM
In learning about all the cospiracies,groups,etc, ive often asked myself the same question. "What would be the best way to fight "them"? ". I have thought about it and thought about it. I truly cannot come up with the correct answer that would be a solution of peace. Because i know "they" will not willingly just give up their "power" or whatever you wanna call it, so the only thing i can say when the time comes, it will be the time to act. Because if it's meant to happen then it will happen and whatever happens will happen. I know that i am a strong advocate of free-will and the constitution, so if ever they come to my door with some none sense about NWO and taking my rights etc, then by that time I would have already started the revolution!!!!!

posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 11:46 AM
Europe has a similar problem,but not as bad as in the states, where i think the line has been crossed already. Civil rights don't exist there anymore.
I work often with people from other nations, and we all agree that a single world government, police force etc IS necessary if we are to go further as a species.(Army, navy etc no longer neccesary)
Only we must do it on our own, in our own time, and NOT their way!
Their way would mean a total dictatorship and the treatment of fellow man as an animal.
I for one would fight (i won't make it easy for them).
Guns are illegal in Europe, and, having seen 2000 years of warfare, they are less motivated to take up arms. Their best weapon would be to strike and bring the whole country to a halt, but it would take a BIG PUSH to get them started. They are too comfortable right now, and the Elite know it.
Our BEST WEAPON is the INTERNET. They have no or little control over it and it scares the crap out of them.
Whatever happens next in America is of great importance, and will probably be repeated in England. One thing's for sure: The 'energy crisis' and 'financial' crisis were carefully planned, as a result of this millions could die-and for that alone i say; Hang em high!
Let's start with the Bilderberg group.

posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 02:02 PM
I have thought about this topic constantly, for several years...

What can WE the PEOPLE do to make changes so that THEY dont use us as slaves in there little games?

The answer: Nothing without violence

Is violence the answer?


So what can we do?


Yet is this true?

Absolutely not.

The truth of the matter is no matter if there is a NWO or not our rights are trampled on a little at a time. So slowly that average people do not care. We cannot elect officials because of the electoral college. We do not see 90% of the laws that are passed which strip our rights even more. I mean something as simple as wearing a seat belt??? Who are you (NWO, Gov whatever) to tell me I have to wear a seat belt? How about taxes? Well what did the government do to earn my money? So how can they arbitrarily take out 45% in taxes every paycheck just to turn around and add 7% in sales taxes, property taxes and every other way so that you wake up one day and now I am paying them for me to work????

Yes yes I know you all know this so here is the answer you all seek...

Peacefully and without confrontation, STOP PLAYING THERE GAMES.

Imagine what would happen if we all stopped paying taxes? They gonna try to take ALL of our homes??? If we stop wearing seatbelts. They gonna give ALL of us tickets. Yeah right try again.

There power is based off of fear. WE are afraid of getting into trouble and loosing our prized possessions. But explain to me how they can take away stuff??

We as citizens should NEVER instigate any violent actions or by course of inaction cause harm to our fellows. Yet do not turn the other cheek either. If the government tries to harm you for living as a free person then by all means defend yourself, or help defend your neighbor.

Certainly do not wait on some fabled "leader" to come about. For I gaurantee that such a leader would inevitably abuse their position and fashion society in a way to benefit him or her.

Wait on second thought... I will be your leader!!!!


posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 04:41 PM
reply to post by spookjr

I feel its right around the corner!!! We should already have plans tentatively laid, someqwhere in rural areas to go and dig in, stockpile of supplies - including but not limited to suvival AND weaponry!!!! This will not turn the tide, nor win the battle as I believe the people fighting back are a small factor, the profound resistance HAS TO COME FROM WITHIN the ranks of the military police, a coup, or we dont stand a chance!!! But we need all those things inplace to try and SURVIVE, our families, until the end. But the desperation of others stuck out in in will be SO rampant that they'll turn to treachery of all sorts; thievery, treson against friends and family and murder. We MUST be on point. SO..........get ready!!! You'll know when!

posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 06:20 PM
reply to post by Bushi

Well said Bushi.

Remember folks... what you resist persists. You give energy to the problem and all you are doing is feeding it.

So does this mean that we should just give up? No.

Should we just let them do what they want to us? It's not about them, it's about us.

How can I change things without taking to the streets or taking my place on the Line? Read on.

Here it is:

It's not so much about what you do, but how you go about doing it.

If you fight against the Beast you will only make it stronger.

If the Beast becomes irrelevant to your existence here in 3rd density, then it weakens. Focus not on the Beast, but upon your own ideal existence. In other words, don't dwell upon what you don't like/want. Dwell upon what you do. It's that simple.

If it comes to pass that the you need a chip or a special ID card to access "credits", then opt out. What did Humanity do before money?

If you think that opting out will decrease your quality of life too much, know this: To remain in the current construct is to deny yourself your awareness of Who You Really Are. There is NO quality of life in that.

It doesn't need to be this way, and for many of us, it won't remain this way.

EDIT: Typo

[edit on 27-11-2008 by traveller]

posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
I mean, I'm looking at this thing (and I have been for quite some time) from a future historical standpoint...

Think about it. How significant is the day that mankind dropped nationality and developed a TRULY global community... COMPLETELY united?

Imagine the utopia. That is EXACTLY what utopia would be. A unified world with a peaceful existance... Now, what does it take to get there? The simple fact of the matter is that people do NOT WANT a global community.

I ask why. Why not?
Hey, if we can agree that a peaceful global community would be our "mythical" utopian society, then surely we can avoid a lot of the pain in getting there.

The NWO and the elite think most of us are useless eaters. These people want control. They want power and wealth. And they have no intention whatsoever of sharing.

Think of the corruption we've seen everyday for the last 100 years from our own "local" politicians (local, state, federal). Now imagine that corruption multipled by a factor of 1000. That is what a NWO government built today would behave like. Is that a future where you'd like to raise your kids?

One day, maybe in another 1000 years, we will have grown enough to get by this greed and power lust. Until that day happens, I'll count myself as cannon fodder for the resistance.

posted on Nov, 27 2008 @ 07:49 PM
I found this very interesting post on
Apparently, some people have already started to band together to 'fight back'. I was particularly intrigued by the description of a rumored assassination attempt on Obama on election night.

posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 11:05 PM

posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 11:43 AM
reply to post by traveller

"What did Humanity do before money?" ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Does living in the Stone Age ring a bell? Money was invented in the bronze age. Without money, we are reduced to bartering. I hope you've got a skill that you can barter with. Ex-auto workers for example won't. Living off the grid is nice in theory and if you're already living in the countryside, it may be a real option but how can hundreds of millions of people who now live in cities realistically live 'off the grid'?

I read posts that say that mass strikes are the answer. First, it's not at all clear to me how mass strikes will overthrow the entrenched NWO powerplayers and secondly, a genuine mass strike would affect distribution of food, fuel and electricity. If it happens, let's hope it happens in the summer so that we all won't be freezing in the dark while we starve.

posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 06:33 PM
I'm sorry to interrupt the little peace fest to those that dismissed violence as an option. I'm sorry but the words of our founding fathers "The tree of freedom must be refreshed with blood every generation" In other words? They KNEW that peaceful means won't work as long as the elite retain power. Yeah, you can try and live off the grid and off the system, but what do you think will happen once they discover this? They'll use bulldozers and chase you out of your own land.

You want the realistic solution? Then you have to get rid of the leaders. No, I don't mean the politicians, everyone in here knows that our politicians are nothing more than puppets who simply do what their elit overlords tell them. What has to be done is find out who these elite at the top are. I'm sure it can't be that hard to find out. Heck if we can find them in the bohemian grove and the bilderberg meetins, it can't be hard to find out who they really are. Remove the heads at the top, and any second in command wanting to take over, and it will send a clear message to them.

If you do this covertly, in secrecy, they won't see it coming and what's even better, is that it will start scaring them so much, that whoever is left will actually start having second thoughts about their whole NWO plan. Nothing scares humans more to the core, than that which they can't see. These elites are no different. "Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot" the saying goes, and that includes even those in organized crime and yes, that's exactly what these elitists are, criminals.

Get rid of the head, quickly and swiftly, and the rest of the body will fall.

Sometimes, some people don't learn until you fight back violently. I know because I've tried being a pacifist (what a crock! by the way), and seen that for some people it just doesn't work. It was only until I started defending myself and they got a swift kick in the A*** that they realized that they can't mess with me and left me alone.

[edit on 6-12-2008 by Question]

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 12:00 AM

Originally posted by psychedeliack
it would be more fun to water board them and force them to confess on camera for the whole world to see. Surely there are some people easily capable of such a mission.

Yeah. This would (imo) probably be the most effective way to thwart these clowns. I don't think any other way would be a success.

[edit on 7-12-2008 by The Scarecrow]

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 12:33 AM

Originally posted by NellahB
If we start shooting people we'll just end up in "camp." Email and phone calls are a great way to voice your opinion. I've emailed Pelosi, Obama and even the White House. Emailed my congressmen. If more people will mail these higher ups and let me know we ARE the bosses here! Come election time we might forget to vote for you! We the people ... we the people need our opinions heard! Get mad and get loud ... don't get violent!

Yep! just like they did with the 7 billion dollar bail out. Our messages really scared them into doing what we wanted!

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 12:42 AM
reply to post by Question

I think you are 100% correct. But I think a lot of the politicians are the people you are talking about.
lol and If I were you I would be very careful about what you say on here. They will arrest all of us on here thinking we are nut jobs and loose cannons.

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:24 PM
the only thing i can think to do is hunker down and try to live ur life the best you can and jump in with ppl fighting,

but if it were me i would stay in my town and launch guerilla attacks on the occuping forces. you cant win but be a pain in the ass for them and dont go willingly

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 10:54 PM
To Studenofhistory...

The money that you say was invented in the Bronze Age was actually based on something wether it be grain holdings, precious metals, whatever.

What is today's money based on? Thin air. Perception, that's what. You are working for debt. (if you are working) You are spending 7-10 hrs per day at least five days per week to earn something that doesn't exist.

Money no longer serves us and indeed it is used to enslave us. If it doesn't work, get rid of it and move to something which does. Does the barter system work? I think it is a partial solution, locally at least. As for the rest of the solution, I do not have a suitable answer. Perhaps I have been brainwashed to the extent that even though I am able to identify money as THE most negative and corrupting influence on our planet at this time, I am unable to come up with a suitable overarching alternative.

To Question...

Welcome to the love fest.

I have studied the problem from your perspective, extensively. Cut the head off the snake? C'mon, these systems which control us are self-sustaining. You could take out all the World's leaders at the United Nations in NY and what would it achieve? Nothing. Replacements will be brought in. All you battlestar galactica fans will remember how far down the line President Roslin was before she was next in line for the presidency. That is quite accurate in the real world. It is part of a thing called Continuity of Government planning. Notice there are no Continuity of Community plans.

They actually want attempts at revolution. They want uprisings and they want rebellion. Not only would this identify their enemies for them, but it would also let them enact legislation that will make the Patriot Act look like the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

You let them stay relevant to your life and you will reap what you have sowed one way or the other.

If you do not agree with the oppressive laws, do not follow them. If the government, illuminati, NWO gets in your way, apologise to them then when their back is turned, go around them while they are not looking.

Make them irrelevant and you win the battle, not only for yourself, but for your children and grandchildren.

As Sun Tsu said, "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

If you just want fondle your camo painted M4-gery, AK or SKS while dreaming of fighting the NWO in the backwoods, that is your perogative.

If you ever put those fantasies into actualisation, you will be perforated in many places and maybe someone nearby will hear you sobbing for your mother as your lifeblood ebbs into the soil. Your sacrifice will mean nothing. You will not have made the world a better place through your painful death and you will have simply made the Beast stronger because it feeds off your rage, your pain and finally, off your blood.

[edit on 7-12-2008 by traveller]

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:10 PM
reply to post by Jay-in-AR

The Trans Texas Corridor?! What is so wrong with bridging the continents? Transportation routes ALWAYS lead to development. And in this case we are talking about allowing Mexico to develop along with us.

What is wrong with it? Well, for one, they will use eminent domain laws to take away ranches and farms from American citizens, many of whom have had that land in their families for centuries. Is that the kind of DEVELOPMENT you favor? I certainly don't.

You can keep your "one-world dreams". Here is the last time man tried the one-world approach:

"Now the whole earth had one language and few words. And as men migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. And they said to one another, 'Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.' And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. Then they said, 'Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.' And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the sons of men had built. And the LORD said, 'Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.' So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.' Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth." (Genesis 11:1-9)

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:18 PM

Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by Question

I think you are 100% correct. But I think a lot of the politicians are the people you are talking about.
lol and If I were you I would be very careful about what you say on here. They will arrest all of us on here thinking we are nut jobs and loose cannons.

I'm no longer afraid of them. At one point I might've been careful when I first started delving into the rabbit hole and could've gotten a chance to get out. I'm too deep in the rabbit hole now to give up. I'm prepared to fight, and I'm prepared to die. I have enough insight and knowledge into what they plan to do, I believe I can try and survive. Besides, I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

I am still hopeful though. I know the militias are organizing, and with the advent of the internet. I'm sure enough information can be gathered to where even the elites won't be able to hide from them even if they want to. I know that they are targetted and they will be targetted. I just hope that if they do end up going through with it, they play it smart and don't go all "guns a blazing" that won't help. They need to terrify them into submission or worse. They need to make them fear every single step they make (see how they like it)

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