Steven Greer claims he vectored in the Phoenix lights UFO's !, page 2
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:52 AM by Oscitate
reply to post by ZombieOctopus



Indeed, when I first saw the disclosure project, I remember saying to myself, "These aren't wackos". Greer seemed scientific and commanding. But he has left a legacy of shame over the last few years that is hard to ignore. And what on earth are CE-5 protocols?



reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:20 PM by easynow
reply to post by GoldenAge



Actually, he says that this has happened before. He says that they have had a camera crew from ABC out on an expedition before, and when a UFO showed up, the cameramen freaked right out, and ABC later refused to show the footage.


can anyone else besides Greer confirm this event ?

also, would ABC agree to a non disclosure agreement like the one Greer has everyone else sign ?

if the cameramen freaked out that bad wouldn't you think they would have told other people about it ?

and why would ABC refuse to show it ? doesn't make sense

just questioning your statement here, that's all


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:39 PM by GoldenAge
reply to post by easynow



I don't know, easynow. I'm just telling you what he wrote in "Hidden Truth".

What I do know for a fact is that CSETI do have video footage, which is far more significant than "Mothra". I know this because I have it on DVD.....

Why is it all kept off the internet? I honestly don't know. Greer could instantly and massively improve his credibility simply by putting the footage up on the web for everybody to see, but he doesn't, even though I'm sure they must have had thousands of requests by now..............

What's also significant is all those people involved in the New Energy movement who keep mentioning Greer's name and vouching for the Orion Project.... you know, Bearden, Joel Garbon, Nora Maccoby.....

Hmmm...........



reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:59 PM by easynow
reply to post by GoldenAge



i have not seen the DVD you are talking about and have wanted to see it for a long time. i am very interested to see this and thought somebody would have put it on the web already even without Greer's permission.

if it is that significant of a close encounter then i agree that it doesn't make sense why Greer hasn't shown it to clear himself of all this doubt that everyone has about him and you would think more people would want to sign up for his 'vectoring' training ?

would you care to describe what you see on this tape ? i am interested


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:02 PM by antar
reply to post by GoldenAge



I can tell you if JR said it, he is telling the truth from his own experience, his integrity is above reproach here on the board and in his RL.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:03 PM by easynow
reply to post by ziggystar60



If this stuff was all over Internet for everyone to see, it would be very difficult to get anyone to pay for it.


true Ziggystar but wouldn't it also reinvigorate the DP and get more people to rejoin him in the effort ?

seems like more money would come his way if he showed what he has than some DVD sales.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:07 PM by ziggystar60
reply to post by easynow




I guess that depends on what he really got... I haven't seen any of his stuff myself, but what if it is just crap, like I suspect?

If that is the case, I guess it would take people like Internos, JRitzman and ArMaP just minutes to debunk it... Not a great deal for Mr. Greer, in other words.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:08 PM by antar
reply to post by ziggystar60



From the very start I was disturbed by Greer publicly making himself the one and only for the bridge to disclosure, I thought, wait a minute, who is this guy and why only him? Something was wrong from the beginning I somehow knew that he would unintentionally hurt the process not help.

I have had many encounters and a couple face to face with ET, that did not make me an expert, but it certainly gave me insight and discernment.

I personally think there should be a public liaison to the position of disclosure, but it needs to be a choice of the many not just a few elect, or its going to be BS. The time is coming when its going to have to happen.



reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:11 PM by antar
reply to post by ziggystar60



Did you see the Greer stuff floating around the forum a few months ago? Quite a few pictures of Greer hanging out with his devotees, and the only thing to see were a bunch of orbs in the night, most probably explainable by dust particles or something to that affect.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:24 PM by Jeremy_Vaeni
Originally posted by jritzmann
Originally posted by Reevster
Its easy to be a faceless poster on a forum to try and debunk someone or something. but to do what he has done takes " Balls"


Excuse me? I've used my own name in this field for 21 years now, and always my real name on this board. What I say about Greer is what I've seen and heard directly from him and witnessed with my own damned eyes while sitting in front of him. So forget the "anonymous" crap. I'd just as easily say it to his face.

There's been ridiculous claim after ridiculous claim, all with no solid evidence of anything. Quite the opposite. He's shown by virtue of insane price tags, what he's "into".

The only thing Greer is "helping his fellow man" with is emptying their pockets.


Ditto. (Well...not for 21 years but you get the point.) Add to that the fact that I have confronted him with his BS on an episode of The Paracast. In that episode he said he would be releasing a compilation of his video evidence this fall.

Is it winter yet?

So for all you Greer supporters, when he says every alien abduction case is not aliens but the eeeeeevil government/military in disguise doing experiments on us and/or delusion, do you believe him? Isn't that the same kinda crap Billy Meier says so that he is the only one in real contact with real aliens?

That's one question.

Another common sense psychological question is, if I come to you and say I was abused terribly throughout my childhood by my parents and left home in my teens...and then I talk about meeting friendly space people while meditating who acted as benevolent parental figures, would you:

A.) Think, 'Wow! That guy is in contact with cool space people when he shuts his eyes!'

B.) Think, 'Wow! That guy was severely abused and when he shuts his eyes, goes to his happy place where nurturing alien parental types whisk him away from the evils of humanity--and he's so delusional he believes it.'

C.) Think, 'Wow! This guy is a sexually repressed, pathological liar who so hates people deep down that he's willing to create a TV preacher-type persona for the New Age crowd so that he can live off of their money while being the center of attention.'

D.) Think something else that makes more sense than what's actually coming out of my mouth.

[edit on 22-11-2008 by Jeremy_Vaeni]


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 05:49 PM by GoldenAge
reply to post by easynow



Well, I guess I knew this was coming

I really wish a few more people would order these, as,

AHEM!!!! I really don't want to be the one guy out of all of ATS sitting here with Greer-CSETI evidence!!!!

But I guess I'll be generous and give you a report....

I have three of the DVDs - "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind", "CSETI Contact", and "Disclosure in 21st Century".

In "Close Encounters" he doesn't show any video evidence, but he does play some strange tones for the audience, which are comparable to the audio that ATS captured at Mount Adams.

In "CSETI Contact", he starts with a video collage. Most of it seems to be footage collected from other people - which Greer is kind of notorious for doing, in the name of being able to present the "Best Available Evidence" - but at the end, footage from the renowned 1992 "Gulf Breeze" encounter is shown.

Essentially what happened is that four UFOs came in, Greer started signalling to them with his light, he started drawing a big triangle in the sky with his light, and three of the UFOs responded by going into a perfect equilateral triangle formation. They then apparently signalled back and forth to the group for about 10 minutes and then left.

You can hear people in the group shouting,
"Look, there's four!! There's four!!"
"There it goes there it goes, 1 - 2 - 3, YEAH!!!"
"YEAH!!! A CE-5!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!"
etc etc

Google "Greer Gulf Breeze" to bring up some of the eyewitness accounts. I can tell you that the footage does match with what the witnesses say.

In "Disclosure in the 21st Century", he starts with another video collage - with a bunch of tracks from the group "Enigma" playing in the background. The pictures and footage shown are all really, REALLY cool, but unfortunately, it gives no information as to which segments are "Other People's Footage", and which ones are actually from CSETI expeditions.

During his lecture he also describes the events of one expedition, where on three different nights they did a very deep group meditation for the awakening and healing of the Earth, and all three nights, when the entire group hit that "sweet spot", that "Unbounded-Mind" state of consciousness or whatever you want to call it - they'd get a big Triangle UFO come in, as if in acknowledgement of their meditation!

Later a member of the audience asks a question about this, and you can hear several members of the audience chime in, "Yes, it's true! I was there, I saw it!! That did happen!" etc etc.

So, there you have it. Greer DOES have footage, which he presents at lectures and things, but which he won't put up on the web, for some reason. I honestly have no idea why.

The CSETI Coordinator's excuse is "Well we just haven't had time to put something together" - which is obviously BS, they have had like 16 years!

Oh, also of note is that Bob Brown of UFO Congress is almost moved to tears when he describes Greer's work with CSETI, it's obvious that he is involved with them somehow and probably been on some of the expeditions....
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