Ultimate Snub Fest: World Leaders Refuse to Shake Bush's Hand During G20 Photo-Op , page 2
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:42 AM by 44soulslayer
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer

Could it be that the Europeans didn't want to talk to Bush because of their stereotype they have of us? Europeans tend to think of us as stupid, immature, and arrogant. Maybe they thought by being closer to him they would become more arrogant?


Can you blame us

Im sure Americans see us as spineless and fruity.

No I dont think this was bigotry of that manner, I think they just didn't want to be seen shaking hands with Bush. Brown in particular has been saying that the problem started in America, so he must have been particularly careful not to seem cordial when meeting the man who he has been blaming the crisis on.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:44 AM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer

I think you guys could have at least showed him respect... not for who he is... but for what he represents. When you don't shake hands with the President of the USA you're not shaking hands with just the President of the USA you're refusing to open arms to our country. I just think that this action by your leaders over there sends the wrong message to the people here.



reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:00 AM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by Frankidealist35


Woah. Back it up there my friend.

Brown was not explicitly elected by us (Britain). I know Infinite will be in here in a second explaining how we are a parliamentary democracy and therefore did in fact elect Brown, but that point is a mere technicality.

The British public did not at any point elect Brown into his present post. A single constituency in the far north of Scotland (ie about 20,000 people) voted for him to be their MP, and he won a legitimate election running for the post of Chancellor of the Exchequer.

But we didn't choose him to be PM.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:08 AM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer


Okay... but we (while there are people that dispute this) in the USA here elected Bush. Isn't it proper protocol for foreign leaders to shake hands with each other? If not they could at least do it to show they have manners, even if they weren't elected by their people.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:10 AM by mind is the universe
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer

I think you guys could have at least showed him respect... not for who he is... but for what he represents. When you don't shake hands with the President of the USA you're not shaking hands with just the President of the USA you're refusing to open arms to our country. I just think that this action by your leaders over there sends the wrong message to the people here.



Again I fail to actually see what he represents?

Can you elaborate on this, I'm having really hard trouble with this logic of yours.

Do you understand how people become respected? When you don't have any self respect, don't expect people to be in open arms to you.


Lets snap back into reality, especially to some of the Americans wailing in patriotism right now


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:12 AM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe


We know that we've had a crappy President. . Yet we still stand by him because we don't want to appease to Europeans who hate us for their anti-American sentiments or the terrorists that want us to die for our foreign policy.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:20 AM by mind is the universe
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe


We know that we've had a crappy President. . Yet we still stand by him because we don't want to appease to Europeans who hate us for their anti-American sentiments or the terrorists that want us to die for our foreign policy.


So you stand by him and his cronies, for creating havok to this planet every single day for the last 8 years.

Illegal wars, inappropriate foriegn policy, lies, trechory, inciting fear into their own people, genocide, Global warming, Katrina, Kyoto protocol and god knows the list is endless.

You stand by this behaviour?


Don't get me started on ths terrorists bull. There was no terrorists. Only the ones the CIA created. And if they are any terrorist's they were normal people who resent America for such behaviour of the last 8 years.


Your ignorance, is embarrassing.


Did you ask the Europeans, what they think, or are you the typical American living in fantasy thinking this all up?


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:24 AM by mind is the universe
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe


we don't want to appease to Europeans who hate us for their anti-American sentiments or the terrorists that want us to die for our foreign policy.



Paronoia - fox news- BS- fantasy - hearsay - waffle - ignorance - apathy - head in the sand - delusionalism

If there was one word......


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:24 AM by 44soulslayer
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer


Okay... but we (while there are people that dispute this) in the USA here elected Bush. Isn't it proper protocol for foreign leaders to shake hands with each other? If not they could at least do it to show they have manners, even if they weren't elected by their people.


Yeah I know, thats why I said it was bad form for them not to shake hands.

I dunno why you're trying to pin this on bigotry. Anti-americanism is pretty rife atm, but not to the extent that world leaders act petty just because of it.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:25 AM by dariousg
reply to post by sunny_2008ny



Or then again, he could be snubbing them. The commentary is being made from the view that no one likes him but maybe he is so arrogant that he feels he can just walk in and not worry about troubling himself with greeting people.

Just to try and put a spin on things.

Either way, it's not good. Period.



reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:26 AM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe


Maybe you think they're illegal wars, but, they aren't wars at all technically. They're "military actions". We haven't had a real war since WWII.

We've stopped caring about that other stuff. We know that our military does some dirty things and stupid things. We're just hoping that Bush doesn't make our country worse before the next administration settles in.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:29 AM by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by Frankidealist35


What sort of "idealist" are you anyhow?

It seems to me a noble idealogy is one that does not even SOMEWHAT condone the behavior of a wreckless military force.

I liken it to the ways the polls reflected leading up to the election. Two months out, the number one concern on everyone's mind was the war.. Two weeks out, it was the economy and now people just say "eh, we know the military does bad things... So what?"




The majority of Americans are completely brainwashed. They do anything and everything that idiot-box called a television set tells them. And your post reflects that.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:29 AM by mind is the universe
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe


Maybe you think they're illegal wars, but, they aren't wars at all technically. They're "military actions". We haven't had a real war since WWII.

We've stopped caring about that other stuff. We know that our military does some dirty things and stupid things. We're just hoping that Bush doesn't make our country worse before the next administration settles in.



Where do you get your notions from?


War is conflict. It's where humans attack each other by aggressive means and generally mass genoicde is the result.
SNAP back into reality.

Spade is a spade, why are you justifying this behaviour?

Reality check, all of it was stupid, every bit of it. The foriegn policy, the wars, the greed, the lies, the behaviour, the war on terror.


Guess many American's are still lost.
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