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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:41 AM by HunkaHunka
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This is a hoax, they had all just shaken hands with bush but had yet to shake hands with eachother.
Come on people... do the research before you jump on the bush-hating bandwagon.
I mean seriously, I'm an obama supporter and anti-bush, but this is ridiculous.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:42 AM by 44soulslayer
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
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Could it be that the Europeans didn't want to talk to Bush because of their stereotype they have of us? Europeans tend to think of us as stupid,
immature, and arrogant. Maybe they thought by being closer to him they would become more arrogant?
Can you blame us
Im sure Americans see us as spineless and fruity.
No I dont think this was bigotry of that manner, I think they just didn't want to be seen shaking hands with Bush. Brown in particular has been
saying that the problem started in America, so he must have been particularly careful not to seem cordial when meeting the man who he has been blaming
the crisis on.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:44 AM by Frankidealist35
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I think you guys could have at least showed him respect... not for who he is... but for what he represents. When you don't shake hands with the
President of the USA you're not shaking hands with just the President of the USA you're refusing to open arms to our country. I just think that
this action by your leaders over there sends the wrong message to the people here.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:00 AM by 44soulslayer
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Woah. Back it up there my friend.
Brown was not explicitly elected by us (Britain). I know Infinite will be in here in a second explaining how we are a parliamentary democracy and
therefore did in fact elect Brown, but that point is a mere technicality.
The British public did not at any point elect Brown into his present post. A single constituency in the far north of Scotland (ie about 20,000 people)
voted for him to be their MP, and he won a legitimate election running for the post of Chancellor of the Exchequer.
But we didn't choose him to be PM.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:08 AM by Frankidealist35
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Okay... but we (while there are people that dispute this) in the USA here elected Bush. Isn't it proper protocol for foreign leaders to shake hands
with each other? If not they could at least do it to show they have manners, even if they weren't elected by their people.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:08 AM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by foremanator
I must say that I am by no means a "bush fan".
But honestly what I just seen was sad. The man still represents America. They should have sucked it up and shook his hand. At the very least show him
the respect that he did not show them.
WHY.
Repect is given, where respect is shown.
That post is so idiotic and delusional.
Btw alot of American's dissagree that he represents America, In fact when did he actually ever? His family is scum!
Why should we respect scum, and respect the scum that doesnt' respect the world.
Seriously wake up.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:10 AM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer
I think you guys could have at least showed him respect... not for who he is... but for what he represents. When you don't shake hands with the
President of the USA you're not shaking hands with just the President of the USA you're refusing to open arms to our country. I just think that
this action by your leaders over there sends the wrong message to the people here.
Again I fail to actually see what he represents?
Can you elaborate on this, I'm having really hard trouble with this logic of yours.
Do you understand how people become respected? When you don't have any self respect, don't expect people to be in open arms to you.
Lets snap back into reality, especially to some of the Americans wailing in patriotism right now
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:11 AM by dariousg
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Originally posted by foremanator
I must say that I am by no means a "bush fan".
But honestly what I just seen was sad. The man still represents America. They should have sucked it up and shook his hand. At the very least show him
the respect that he did not show them.
As much as I dislike what he has done to this country I have to say I agree. I was sad more for the image of this nation that was portrayed in that
video than the disrespect shown to him personally. I am still an American and I want this country to do well. However, I fear we have allowed the
greedy to destroy us beyond repair now. We will slide into a 2nd world nation soon (relative to the age of civilizations). Unfortunately we have
none to blame but the people of this country that allowed the elected leaders to become so intertwined in greed and big money corporations.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:12 AM by Frankidealist35
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reply to post by mind is the universe
We know that we've had a crappy President.  . Yet we still stand by him because we don't want to appease to Europeans who hate us for their
anti-American sentiments or the terrorists that want us to die for our foreign policy.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:20 AM by Jay-in-AR
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I think there is more to the issue than whether it was a hoax or not. Sure, they may have already spoken with Bush at length. They could have all been
giving high-fives off stage right 2 minutes before the clip started. It doesn't matter.
The important thing here is that the MSM is portraying Bush as a hated and washed up politician. This is the sort of thing that influences people in
this country. The issues never matter... To nearly anyone.
Combine this sort of thing with the Texas DA lawsuit that went nowhere and hopefully people will become accustomed enough to the idea of actually
standing up to these goons. I applauded in my room when I saw that video.
Sure, it sucks that the leader of this great nation had to be portrayed that way, and if it were any other man I may have actually felt for him, but I
find it hard to keep my eyes off the prize, so to speak. This man is a one-man Constitutional Wrecking Ball. He has been his entire term as President
and I CANNOT WAIT for the day he is out of here. I would have enjoyed seeing someone kick him in the groin.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:20 AM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe
We know that we've had a crappy President.  . Yet we still stand by him because we don't want to appease to Europeans who hate us for their
anti-American sentiments or the terrorists that want us to die for our foreign policy.
So you stand by him and his cronies, for creating havok to this planet every single day for the last 8 years.
Illegal wars, inappropriate foriegn policy, lies, trechory, inciting fear into their own people, genocide, Global warming, Katrina, Kyoto protocol and
god knows the list is endless.
You stand by this behaviour?
Don't get me started on ths terrorists bull. There was no terrorists. Only the ones the CIA created. And if they are any terrorist's they were
normal people who resent America for such behaviour of the last 8 years.
Your ignorance, is embarrassing.
Did you ask the Europeans, what they think, or are you the typical American living in fantasy thinking this all up?
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:20 AM by Shakesbeer
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if he didn't help to run the country (and the world for that matter) into the ground I would feel sorry for him...
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:24 AM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe
we don't want to appease to Europeans who hate us for their anti-American sentiments or the terrorists that want us to die for our foreign policy.
Paronoia - fox news- BS- fantasy - hearsay - waffle - ignorance - apathy - head in the sand - delusionalism
If there was one word......
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:24 AM by 44soulslayer
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by 44soulslayer
Okay... but we (while there are people that dispute this) in the USA here elected Bush. Isn't it proper protocol for foreign leaders to shake hands
with each other? If not they could at least do it to show they have manners, even if they weren't elected by their people.
Yeah I know, thats why I said it was bad form for them not to shake hands.
I dunno why you're trying to pin this on bigotry. Anti-americanism is pretty rife atm, but not to the extent that world leaders act petty just
because of it.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:25 AM by dariousg
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Or then again, he could be snubbing them. The commentary is being made from the view that no one likes him but maybe he is so arrogant that he feels
he can just walk in and not worry about troubling himself with greeting people.
Just to try and put a spin on things.
Either way, it's not good. Period.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:25 AM by jam321
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I think the video is misleading. How do you know that Bush and the others didn't greet before the photo op? I saw the Arab guy shake 1 hand. Guess he
was snubbed too. Then 2 guys behind Bush walked across a few people before he shook somebody hand. As far as looking down, it looks like he was making
sure he wasn't going to trip or fall. I just don't buy it.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:26 AM by Frankidealist35
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Maybe you think they're illegal wars, but, they aren't wars at all technically. They're "military actions". We haven't had a real war since
WWII.
We've stopped caring about that other stuff. We know that our military does some dirty things and stupid things. We're just hoping that Bush
doesn't make our country worse before the next administration settles in.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:29 AM by Jay-in-AR
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What sort of "idealist" are you anyhow?
It seems to me a noble idealogy is one that does not even SOMEWHAT condone the behavior of a wreckless military force.
I liken it to the ways the polls reflected leading up to the election. Two months out, the number one concern on everyone's mind was the war.. Two
weeks out, it was the economy and now people just say "eh, we know the military does bad things... So what?"
The majority of Americans are completely brainwashed. They do anything and everything that idiot-box called a television set tells them. And your post
reflects that.
[edit on 21-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:29 AM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by mind is the universe
Maybe you think they're illegal wars, but, they aren't wars at all technically. They're "military actions". We haven't had a real war since
WWII.
We've stopped caring about that other stuff. We know that our military does some dirty things and stupid things. We're just hoping that Bush
doesn't make our country worse before the next administration settles in.
Where do you get your notions from?
War is conflict. It's where humans attack each other by aggressive means and generally mass genoicde is the result.
SNAP back into reality.
Spade is a spade, why are you justifying this behaviour?
Reality check, all of it was stupid, every bit of it. The foriegn policy, the wars, the greed, the lies, the behaviour, the war on terror.
Guess many American's are still lost.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:34 AM by pieman
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Maybe you think they're illegal wars, but, they aren't wars at all technically. They're "military actions". We haven't had a real war since
WWII.
We've stopped caring about that other stuff. We know that our military does some dirty things and stupid things. We're just hoping that Bush
doesn't make our country worse before the next administration settles in.
that's just disgusting. do you think that this type of statement has anything to do with the fact that europeans believe american are stupid immature
a**holes? that the most honest and terrifying post i've read in weeks.
[edit on 21/11/08 by pieman]
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