Assuming it really was the Kenyan ambassador to the United States (which is extremely doubtful) what would he have to gain by talking to a dinky little American radio station and trying to destroy Obama's chances of being president-elect? Did anybody at the station think to get a call-back number for the guy? Why wouldn't he go to the New York Times with his story and make himself really famous?

That's not even to mention those folks in Kenya who are making a lot of money by displaying Obama's father's birthplace and any other artifact of the Obama family they can find. What kind of tourist trade would Kenya attract if Obama was deposed? Wouldn't the ambassador lose his job for making such a revelation?

I'm here to tell you that I'm Obama's first cousin on his mother's side and I want to ruin his life by "confessing" he was really born in a commune in the U.S.S.R.

As P.T. Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

One thing I always say about this: if it's true why didn't the Clinton's use this during the primaries? They have more access to information and would have used it if it's true but they didn't.

There was a little trick played at the Democratic Convention where Hillary Clinton interrupted the polling of delegates to "Acclaim" Obama's candidancy. This was a violation of the Parliementary rules; therefore, Obama was never properly nominated. If he is disqualified, Hillary may be able to claim the prize because the Democratic party (not the individual candidate) won the election.

Obama recently made a deal with the Clintons that Hillary would be offered the Secty of State post if she abandoned her allegiance to the Bush-Cheney plans for the fascist takeover of the U S government. Has she really switched sides? We may soon witness the answer.

Originally posted by KMFNWO
Lets be quite honest. this country is engaged in some serious apathy and has been for some time. we have had Watergate, Cigar smoking, failing to appear for Congressional Subpoenas etc. No one is ever held to account.

I can see the online poll now, someone like Blitzer most likely:

"Now that it has come out that President-elect Obama was in fact born in a Foreign country do you think the standard should be upheld or should he be allowed to take the office of the Presidency as the Countrys chosen leader"

In general I doubt very seriously that most will even care. no-one knows why he was elected in the first place. He's one of the least qualified persons who would ever take that office.

Look the rule of law is out and I doubt this country is going to try to uphold it now.



[edit on 21-11-2008 by KMFNWO]

And George Bush was qualified? And people elected him because they liked his policies. Doy. When he had debates they were very highly watched number wise. His infomercial thingie even had very high ratings. For you to say you don't know why he was elected is a moron thing to say.

Originally posted by zenjewel
Are you sure the call was really to the Ambassador?

It sounds like a "phone scam" that the local DJs do here nearly every morning.

Like Sarah Palin getting punked by those two Canadian dj comedy guys.

Originally posted by Mozzy
nice@obama might not know he was born in kenya. lol can anyone say manchurian candidate? the commies are gonna come and eat off everyone's faces while we're sleeping.

Hey I'm a Commie and I don't like human meat. Never tried it and never want to. I prefer a nice steak.

Originally posted by maybereal11
How dumb is this thread?

LISTEN to it. The ambassador answers the idiotic question by stating that his "Paternal Grandmother is still Alive" and then when the idiot radio hosts keep asking the about Obama being born there he responds that OBAMA's FATHER also named "Barak Obama" was born there, ....the ambassador goes as far as saying "Senior" to try to help these guys out.

At NO TIME does the Ambassodor say Pres. Elect Obama was born in Kenya. He does try to correct these guys twice with more courtessy than these two dufuses deserved.

The first clue to these radio hosts intelligence was when they were making farting noises while waiting to be connected. GEEZ. REALLY! Some of the threads on ATS are just dumb.

So much for better discussions once the election concluded.

Oh good point. And if the person was talking about Obama he would have said either Senator Obama or President-Elect Obama (probably the later) but he didn't. Of course people who so want to believe it will ignore the senior part.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
ATS Members: In reference to the question of wether Obama is "quaified" to be President, it should be noted that the FBI runs "BI" (background investigations) on anyone who is or is in the process of, securing access to highly classified (above Confidential) information. Since President-elect Obama was granted access during a briefing with President Bush it is highly probable that the BI done by the FBI found no discrepancy in his "qualifications".

Actually, when someone is elected to office he is granted a security clearance automatically on the notion that he is an elected official, by the people, so no background check is done. The background checks are supposed to be handled by the elections board running the election, so at state levels you have the Secretary of State, and at the federal levels you have the national committee of the party they are running for and the federal election commission (FEC).

Originally posted by Unit541


Easy enough for a man of his stature to manufacture, I don't know why he doesn't just make one up, and put it out there.

maybe that's what's taking so long.
has to look authentic.

Does this mean that Ahhh'nold, The Governator, will be on the Repub ticket in 2012?

> to ATS, why dont you ever post these "anonymous" posts???

Originally posted by vBreezo
There was a little trick played at the Democratic Convention where Hillary Clinton interrupted the polling of delegates to "Acclaim" Obama's candidancy. This was a violation of the Parliementary rules; therefore, Obama was never properly nominated. If he is disqualified, Hillary may be able to claim the prize because the Democratic party (not the individual candidate) won the election.

Obama recently made a deal with the Clintons that Hillary would be offered the Secty of State post if she abandoned her allegiance to the Bush-Cheney plans for the fascist takeover of the U S government. Has she really switched sides? We may soon witness the answer.

1) I watched that part of the convention. Hillary asked permission by the person who was in charge of the rules and they said yes for it to happen. So he was officially nominated. Deal with it.

2) Hon if Hillary had some way to be president she would've used it. She didn't. Face it: Obama is the president-elect. If you have some major issues with it maybe you should seek some professional help? Just some friendly advice.

3) What the hell are you talking about? The news hasn't even come out whether or not she's going to take the job or not. Not everything in life is a conspiracy.

It doesn't make any difference where Obama was born. His mother was an American citizen. If he was born in Kenya, he can claim dual citizenship.
As Uncle walter used to sAY, "AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS."

I have been browsing this site for well over 6 months and never felt much like posting but after seeing so many of these threads some posted by bitter people, some by people genuinely concerned and some posted no doubt by people that can't stand for a second that a black man is President-Elect.

I didn't make it through the entire thread so if this was stated I do apologize but believe it can't be said enough. Obama has already began his CIA and NSA briefings which I can tell you after serving 5 years in the US Army with a TS/SCI and another 5 years employed by the NSA with a TS/SCI with a lifestyle Poly that Obama would not be getting any type of briefing had he not satisfied the powers that be.

For all the people screaming that Obama needs to release his BC to the press or post it for all to see needs to seriously think about what you’re asking. It's easy standing on the sideline for us to stay .. I would post it for all to see ... would you ... would you really? If for some reason the your status in this country was in question would satisfy the powers that you can move forward taking care of real business or would you hand over your BC which in the state of HI is not as easy to get as some of you think it is. BC's are governed by states not by the fed and do not have to hand over the original to anyone including you. Yes you can get a copy (Which wouldn't be good enough for most as they would claim and scream fake fake fake) or you can get a certificate of live birth. Which is what I used to get my TS/SCI and my passports. Anyway, back to the point, would you hand it ovber to anyone that asked? No, why would you? You handed it to the people that needed to see it and that all.

If Obama gives in to this absurd request what’s next ... Because even if he handed the original like I said people would still claim fake fake fake ... what next ... Video of the birth? How about the doctor? Lets hunt him down and hook him up to a polygraph machine ...

This is all ridicules. The so called court case that everyone is so up in arms with is a conference to see if they even have a case. The PTB in HI have said that they viewed the original doc and without a shadow of a doubt Obama was born in HI. They have the certificate of live birth, they have Obama's Passport which he has had and renewed since he was a teen. That is the evidence Obama has. In law you have to prove reasonable doubt ... that evidence stacked up against the prosecutions evidence is very strong. Lets look at the evidence the plaintiff has .... Nothing but hear say ... They can't prove Obama's mother was ever in Kenya. That is a pretty important piece of information don't you think? But the Grandmother in Kenya said ... hear say. The prosecution has the burden of proof and they have nothing. But what about this call to the DJ ... Do you really think the most powerful;; man in Kenya took time out of his day to have a chat with some no name DJ?

I know the Government does some shady stuff ... I have seen and been involved with such things but believe you me .. If there was merit to this it would have come out by the Clinton or McCain camp. Congress had to make a special ruling in McCains place during the primaries ... Obama's being born in HI was never a question by either camp , they did question if he was eligible due to his father being a foreigner but never where he was born and even now neither group supports this case and they know everything you do and more. Some people for whatever reason just can't get over the fact that Obama was elected ... and let's not forget the case being heard in December isn't just about Obama but it is about McCain as well ... why McCain? He was born in Panama to parents that were both US citizens and his father was stationed there bla bla bla .... McCains father was there because he is in the military and was in fact stationed there and a base is considered American soil ... problem is McCain was born at an off base hospital.

Continued. Do i think the McCain thing is stupid and a technicality? Yes, the same as the deal with Obama ... we have more important things to worry about ... it's time to move on ... but that's just my opinion.

Chears

kId

Two things come to mind...

what a great tourist attraction. I would make it up too.

secondly, what ambassador knows where any of you were born?

Actually, when someone is elected to office he is granted a security clearance automatically on the notion that he is an elected official, by the people, so no background check is done. The background checks are supposed to be handled by the elections board running the election, so at state levels you have the Secretary of State, and at the federal levels you have the national committee of the party they are running for and the federal election commission (FEC).

Actually the background checks begin as soon as both candidates win their primaries. That's another mis-conception. People think that because no background check is done prior to a or after a candidate announces their intent that a background check is not done until they win. They are sort of right except as I stated the clearance begins as soon as the candidates for the presidency are known. The reason that both candidates start the process is because of how long the process takes. Normally for a TOP Secret SCI clearance it takes 1 1/2 years and when you pass your poly you are granted a interim Secret clearance if nothing has come out that will DQ you at that point. Then you continue on until your background check is complete then you go through adjudication and after that you have your TS clearance with a poly and yes they are different and yes there are different types of poly's for the clearances. Once you begin a project that requires it you are sworn in for your SCI and keep that status as long as you remain on that project. As soon as you leave that project it becomes inactive and when you start your next project that requires an SCI it takes 30 days for it to be re-instated. That is for a normal person. When you are military, FBI, NSA DOD, CIA or DOJ they can do what they call a "fast track" on your clearance ... Secret in 30 days ... TS Sci IN 6 months - a year depending on how often you left the country and things like that that make you more interesting to the PTB. That’s why they start their federal background checks early ... they take to long and no, they will no give you information or briefings without these clearances in place. The real kicker ... the agencies ..FBI, DOD, NSA and CIA ... DO NOT RECOGNISE each others clearances as active ... Just because you have a FBI TS/SCI doesn't mean the CIA will share top secret Special compartment information with you ... that is why are agencies are so f'd up and why I quit the NSA .. The CAI and FBI would know things we needed to know but claimed ... we didn't need to know because it is classified. I know I'm a newbie and you guys think newbie’s that claim to have worked for the GOV are full of sh*t and I don't care if that is what you think I know who I am and what I have done and anyone of you can check out the information written in this post and anyone that has worked for an agency can confirm what I just said.

Sorry if that came off defensive or if I sound like an d*ck ... I'm really not but I have seen others flamed and badly for making such claims and I wanted to make it clear that I don’t care if anyone believes who I worked for but you rather that you believe the info about the clearances.

Cheers

kId

Actually, when someone is elected to office he is granted a security clearance automatically on the notion that he is an elected official, by the people, so no background check is done. The background checks are supposed to be handled by the elections board running the election, so at state levels you have the Secretary of State, and at the federal levels you have the national committee of the party they are running for and the federal election commission (FEC).

Actually the background checks begin as soon as both candidates win their primaries. That's another mis-conception. People think that because no background check is done prior to a or after a candidate announces their intent that a background check is not done until they win. They are sort of right except as I stated the clearance begins as soon as the candidates for the presidency are known. The reason that both candidates start the process is because of how long the process takes. Normally for a TOP Secret SCI clearance it takes 1 1/2 years and when you pass your poly you are granted a interim Secret clearance if nothing has come out that will DQ you at that point. Then you continue on until your background check is complete then you go through adjudication and after that you have your TS clearance with a poly and yes they are different and yes there are different types of poly's for the clearances. Once you begin a project that requires it you are sworn in for your SCI and keep that status as long as you remain on that project. As soon as you leave that project it becomes inactive and when you start your next project that requires an SCI it takes 30 days for it to be re-instated. That is for a normal person. When you are military, FBI, NSA DOD, CIA or DOJ they can do what they call a "fast track" on your clearance ... Secret in 30 days ... TS Sci IN 6 months - a year depending on how often you left the country and things like that that make you more interesting to the PTB. That’s why they start their federal background checks early ... they take to long and no, they will no give you information or briefings without these clearances in place. The real kicker ... the agencies ..FBI, DOD, NSA and CIA ... DO NOT RECOGNISE each others clearances as active ... Just because you have a FBI TS/SCI doesn't mean the CIA will share top secret Special compartment information with you ... that is why are agencies are so f'd up and why I quit the NSA .. The CAI and FBI would know things we needed to know but claimed ... we didn't need to know because it is classified. I know I'm a newbie and you guys think newbie’s that claim to have worked for the GOV are full of sh*t and I don't care if that is what you think I know who I am and what I have done and anyone of you can check out the information written in this post and anyone that has worked for an agency can confirm what I just said.

Sorry if that came off defensive or if I sound like an d*ck ... I'm really not but I have seen others flamed and badly for making such claims and I wanted to make it clear that I don’t care if anyone believes who I worked for but you rather that you believe the info about the clearances.

Cheers

kId