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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:42 PM by Raustin

I'm a little surprised this hasn't gotten more discussion. I thought that if gross injustices were being committed by the government (I mean HORRIBLE, killing all of a certain race or something) that Masons would band together and try to overthrow said government. It seems like it would be the obviously moral thing to do.

reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:52 PM by dredz

Heya Raustin, as a Mason, I would hope that the Fraternity would do what was right to do, not to gain power or control, but because "It would be the right thing to do"

reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:54 PM by MOFreemason

reply to post by dredz

I would agree.

reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:57 PM by LowLevelMason

Originally posted by Raustin
I'm a little surprised this hasn't gotten more discussion. I thought that if gross injustices were being committed by the government (I mean HORRIBLE, killing all of a certain race or something) that Masons would band together and try to overthrow said government. It seems like it would be the obviously moral thing to do.

You are assuming though that governments will do something that they just won't do. No government is dumb enough to come out and issue a press release that they've decided randomly to kill people because they thought it would be a fun thing to do.

Its pretty clear cut to me because its asking a hypothetical question that is just not likely to ever happen. In the event of the government doing something wrong, its usually unclear what the truth is for some time and the truth only comes out after whatever happened has already been completed. There are rare exceptions, like WW2, but even then it was not clear what was really going on until the masons themselves were rounded up along with the Jews and everyone else who Hitler was scared of.

reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 12:38 AM by JoshNorton

A quick follow-up that seems relevant. I happened to get my local Scottish Rite newsletter in todays mail. In it is the application for membership. On that form it states:

The Supreme Council announces as fundamental principals the following:

"The inculcation of patriotism, respect for law and order and undying loyalty to the principles of civil and religious liberty as set forth in the Constitution of the United States of America."

"The entire separation of church and state and opposition to every attempt to appropriate public moneys - federal, state or local - directly or indirectly for the support of sectarian or private institutions."

reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 11:28 PM by KSigMason

Partisan politics isn't allowed within the Lodge.

I know in 1930s the Grand Lodge of Idaho was the first Grand Jurisdiction to speak against the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazi's. Because of this we actually formed a friendship with Fiat Lux Lodge #106 (an all Jewish Lodge if I remember). We have a Idaho Night where the Most Worshipful Grand Master of Masons in Idaho goes over to the NY Lodge to show their gratitude.

reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 07:49 AM by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Saurus
reply to post by Masonic Light

Another hypothetical question to Masonic light...

If such a political discussion were for the good of Masonry in general, would it be appropriate to discuss it in lodge - for instance, at the risings?

The York Rite of Masonry (including the Blue Lodge) has a rule against "private piques and quarrels" coming from partisan political discussion in the Lodge, which is forbidden.

But the OP is not talking about personal political opinions; instead, he is talking about tyranny, which in itself is a threat to all Freemasonry and Freemasons, regardless of their personal political opinions.

reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 07:51 AM by Masonic Light

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
I have a question for you masonic light. How come I use to see the all seeing eye when I was a child all the time? I don't know if you can answer this one but any input would be greatly appreciated.

I have no idea. In the US, it forms part of the Great Seal, but outside of that and in Masonic Lodges, I don't see it very much.

reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 07:54 AM by Raustin

reply to post by Masonic Light

Thank you again. I think that was the answer I was hoping to hear. I know the hypothetical situation is pretty outlandish but I still wanted to ask.

reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 11:23 PM by Dreemer

reply to post by Raustin

Yes. Masons are political.

I'm a mason, my friends are masons and this has never stopped us from taking advantage of our associations in order to prosper.

I am telling you this because it is against the rules for a mason to tell lies.

So I am telling you the truth about how corrupt we all are. We even pay people to AstroTurf online (paid bloggers) on local blogs, so as to maintain our reputation and to attack anyone who points out our crimes.

If you Don't believe we pay people to defend our reputation online - just wait, or read some relevant threads.

We run this country.

reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 12:51 AM by NIV21

Originally posted by Raustin
If the political winds got to a certain point could it ever be discussed by Masons at the lodge? I'm talking about something huge like the government trying to put Americans in concentration camps (something I highly doubt would ever happen). I know that political/religious discussion is not allowed in the lodge, but what happens in the case of catastrophe? Would various lodges ask members to stand up to tyranny? This is not meant to be a derogatory post against the Masons, my experiences with members have been wonderful. I just wonder if they would ever endorse a political candidate if the opposition was known to be evil. I appreciate any comments, as long as they are not anti Masonic and remain hypothetical.

I don't know about concentration camps and such, I think that the tribulation is still a ways away but you can bet your ONE dollar bill that they are all over in the political scene. The fat lady is warming up though! No, I wasn't talking about Oprah or Hillary silly!

reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 12:55 AM by NIV21

reply to post by Masonic Light

You, I noticed the sun in your image there and your user name being "Masonic Light". Is that the light you all worship or is it the light of freemason men that you worship? If so, a so called "Christian" mason such as "Light in Darkness" should not call himself a Christian should he?

reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 01:26 AM by RuneSpider

reply to post by NIV21

Masons do not worship the light, that's something that's supposed to come from each mason. What they worship is dependent on their religion, wether tehy are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Wiccan, ect.

reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 01:31 AM by Saurus

reply to post by NIV21

NIV21

Do you worship a cross? No - you worship Jesus Christ. The cross is merely a symbol which man chose to represent Christianity. Christians have symbols, but they do not worship them.

Likewise, Freemasonry has many symbols, each which represents different things to different people. They do not worship them.

Some Christians use symbols other than the cross to represent their Christianity - it's a personal preference. Some see the cross as a symbol of protection. The cross means different things to different Christians.

Likewise, the symbols in Freemasonry mean different things to different people.

An ancient Mayan mason (if one still exists today) may worship the sun and may see the sun as a symbol of worship.

A Christian mason worships Jesus Christ, and to him, the sun would have no religious connotation whatsoever.

reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 08:07 AM by Masonic Light

Originally posted by NIV21

You, I noticed the sun in your image there and your user name being "Masonic Light". Is that the light you all worship or is it the light of freemason men that you worship? If so, a so called "Christian" mason such as "Light in Darkness" should not call himself a Christian should he?

As for me, I am a contemporary Hermetic Gnostic. I worship the only the True and Living God, manifested as the Light, Life, and Logos. My avatar is the symbol of the Scottish Rite Lodge of Perfection.

As for Light In Darkness, he may call himself whatever he is.

reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 10:29 AM by emsed1

Originally posted by Dreemer
reply to post by Raustin

Yes. Masons are political.

I'm a mason, my friends are masons and this has never stopped us from taking advantage of our associations in order to prosper.

I am telling you this because it is against the rules for a mason to tell lies.

So I am telling you the truth about how corrupt we all are. We even pay people to AstroTurf online (paid bloggers) on local blogs, so as to maintain our reputation and to attack anyone who points out our crimes.

If you Don't believe we pay people to defend our reputation online - just wait, or read some relevant threads.

We run this country.