Could Masons be political?

I'm a little surprised this hasn't gotten more discussion. I thought that if gross injustices were being committed by the government (I mean HORRIBLE, killing all of a certain race or something) that Masons would band together and try to overthrow said government. It seems like it would be the obviously moral thing to do.

Heya Raustin, as a Mason, I would hope that the Fraternity would do what was right to do, not to gain power or control, but because "It would be the right thing to do"

reply to post by dredz

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I would agree.

You are assuming though that governments will do something that they just won't do. No government is dumb enough to come out and issue a press release that they've decided randomly to kill people because they thought it would be a fun thing to do.

Its pretty clear cut to me because its asking a hypothetical question that is just not likely to ever happen. In the event of the government doing something wrong, its usually unclear what the truth is for some time and the truth only comes out after whatever happened has already been completed. There are rare exceptions, like WW2, but even then it was not clear what was really going on until the masons themselves were rounded up along with the Jews and everyone else who Hitler was scared of.

A quick follow-up that seems relevant. I happened to get my local Scottish Rite newsletter in todays mail. In it is the application for membership. On that form it states:

Partisan politics isn't allowed within the Lodge.

I know in 1930s the Grand Lodge of Idaho was the first Grand Jurisdiction to speak against the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazi's. Because of this we actually formed a friendship with Fiat Lux Lodge #106 (an all Jewish Lodge if I remember). We have a Idaho Night where the Most Worshipful Grand Master of Masons in Idaho goes over to the NY Lodge to show their gratitude.

The York Rite of Masonry (including the Blue Lodge) has a rule against "private piques and quarrels" coming from partisan political discussion in the Lodge, which is forbidden.

But the OP is not talking about personal political opinions; instead, he is talking about tyranny, which in itself is a threat to all Freemasonry and Freemasons, regardless of their personal political opinions.

I have no idea. In the US, it forms part of the Great Seal, but outside of that and in Masonic Lodges, I don't see it very much.

reply to post by Masonic Light

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Thank you again. I think that was the answer I was hoping to hear. I know the hypothetical situation is pretty outlandish but I still wanted to ask.

reply to post by Raustin

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Yes. Masons are political.

I'm a mason, my friends are masons and this has never stopped us from taking advantage of our associations in order to prosper.

I am telling you this because it is against the rules for a mason to tell lies.

So I am telling you the truth about how corrupt we all are. We even pay people to AstroTurf online (paid bloggers) on local blogs, so as to maintain our reputation and to attack anyone who points out our crimes.

If you Don't believe we pay people to defend our reputation online - just wait, or read some relevant threads.

We run this country.

I don't know about concentration camps and such, I think that the tribulation is still a ways away but you can bet your ONE dollar bill that they are all over in the political scene. The fat lady is warming up though! No, I wasn't talking about Oprah or Hillary silly!

reply to post by Masonic Light

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You, I noticed the sun in your image there and your user name being "Masonic Light". Is that the light you all worship or is it the light of freemason men that you worship? If so, a so called "Christian" mason such as "Light in Darkness" should not call himself a Christian should he?

reply to post by NIV21

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Masons do not worship the light, that's something that's supposed to come from each mason. What they worship is dependent on their religion, wether tehy are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Wiccan, ect.

reply to post by NIV21

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NIV21

Do you worship a cross? No - you worship Jesus Christ. The cross is merely a symbol which man chose to represent Christianity. Christians have symbols, but they do not worship them.

Likewise, Freemasonry has many symbols, each which represents different things to different people. They do not worship them.

Some Christians use symbols other than the cross to represent their Christianity - it's a personal preference. Some see the cross as a symbol of protection. The cross means different things to different Christians.

Likewise, the symbols in Freemasonry mean different things to different people.

An ancient Mayan mason (if one still exists today) may worship the sun and may see the sun as a symbol of worship.

A Christian mason worships Jesus Christ, and to him, the sun would have no religious connotation whatsoever.

As for me, I am a contemporary Hermetic Gnostic. I worship the only the True and Living God, manifested as the Light, Life, and Logos. My avatar is the symbol of the Scottish Rite Lodge of Perfection.

As for Light In Darkness, he may call himself whatever he is.

Your own logic has proved your undoing.

You are lying and therefore are not a Mason.