Originally posted by defcon5
IMHO, because politically correct is really nothing more then peer pressure, when religion is a philosophical belief.
Do you really believe that to be generally true? That people are generally pressured into having 'politically correct' beliefs? That people
couldn't possibly think they're just the right thing to believe or do? Do you not think these claims of 'peer pressure', 'force' and
'brainwashing' are a bit condescending and insulting? I mean, Christians tend to think that when they're accused of being pressured into
Christianity or 'brainwashed'. Is this somehow different?
You could flip this around: people are pressured into religion. If you live in a small town where everyone else is religious, there's pressure there.
If your family is religious, it's rare that they children have a say in it.
Its like asking why does Religion trump anything else in this world, it is because the Law of God supersedes the laws and opinions of man.
Really? Of course you mean
your God, and
your Laws of God here don't you? I mean, it's not as if you want Sharia Law or anything
where you live, do you?
Yes.
I have seen it first hand. There was a preacher on TV at night in my local area, used to simply answer prayers, not really preach much. Anyway, he had
a caller on one night who explained how he had escaped the “bondage” of a homosexual lifestyle, and so on. The Lobby down here went ballistic,
they started a war on the show, and it was all pretty well documented as to their tactics in these situations. They are quite sneaky about it, and the
minute they catch any of the fault for the situation, they play the "politically correct" guilt trip card. One of their first steps is they try and
find out who provides the funding for the show so they protest their business in drag, putting on all the sexually explicit drama possible, to scare
away their customers. The business normally folds and stops supporting the Christian organization.
In this instance they lost, because the show did not use any businesses for support...
However, some of their tactics were put right out there for all to see.
So before your story about the TV evangelism, there was no unified or organised persecution of homosexuals? They "started" this?
Eh......
Nope, don't pass go, and don't collect $200...
It did not start with Christianity,
I didn't say it (intolerance to homosexuals) started
with Christianity. Can you point to where I did say that? However the fact remains that
it's not as if Christians haven't gleefully taken up the baton, is it? I mean, it's not as if Christians generally are not happy to go along with
it, is it or that Christians, generally, actually disagree with the issue of homophobia?
I mean you've had 2000 years of opportunity to stop religious borne-homophobia with a message of tolerance. So what happened? Where is it this
message of tolerance if it's a case of another religion
started it? Silly me, there isn't one!
it started with Judaism, and Muslims.
It started with Muslims? You mean the Muslims who follow an Islam that started about 600 years after Jesus' death? Oh right, I see.
Christ had very little to say about the subject, though he was quite clear that all sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful. Just go try
and pull any of that bull crap over in the middle east and see how far they get. Oh, but thats right... the Christians over here in the US are easy
targets, so lets pick on them some more.
As a matter of fact, name me one mainline religion that accepts Gay marriages?
Who has said that Christians are unique in this? You might not have realised, but I wasn't the one that actually introduced the issue homosexuality
to this thread or placed in within a context of Christianity.
And most of the people who have done that stuff are not necessarily Christians, homophobia is not a religious theology.
And yet it's funny how you, like so many Christians, just leapt at the opportunity to use Jesus and the Bible to justify your beliefs. You say
homophobia isn't a religious ideology? Well it might not be a
specifically religious ideology, but a couple or paragraphs up, you did your
best to make it one.
BTW you know what the Muslims do to folks in their countries? Funny I don't see them over there protesting, or picking on the Muslim religion
like the do Christians.
Muslims are far, far, far more anti-homosexual then Christians are.
That maybe the case, the problem was that, firstly, I didn't create the thread to talk specifically about anti-homosexuality if only because it's
too similar a ground to the other thread. I'm trying to avoid a repeat of this thread. I was actually anticipating some people people trying to turn
this thread into that thread in an attempt to either derail it. Secondly, this thread was born out of specifically Christian responses (and lack of)
in that other thread. Now, if there had been a similar Muslim-related thread, then I might be interested in this or even obliged to reply, but Muslims
aren't what this is about.
[edit on 22-11-2008 by Merriman Weir]