Why Do So Many Christians Not Understand/Accept That People Don't Hate Jesus?, page 2

reply to post by defcon5

Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice it is not a religion, and is not therefore fall under the same “respect” aspect that I am talking about.

I was happy sitting on the sidelines and taking in the different viewpoints until i read this. I think you need to take a step back and read that line you typed. I'll just come back with "Christianity is a religion, not a lifestyle choice, and therefore does not deserve the same respect." You know. Just to get you thinking about it.

Why do these folks seem to feel that the rest of the world has know about their sex lives, other then the fact that they want to push it to feel accepted, and shed that “guilt” they feel due to breaking traditional values.

Are African Americans doing the same thing because they feel "guilty" for being black? It's not about guilt. It's about being different and struggling to be accepted as a normal f'ing person. No, I'm not gay so don't run off and get your pitchforks and torches yet. I just find it curious that you can have such..."selective respect" to those groups that you feel deserving of it. When you try to back it up with reasoning it STILL doesn't really make sense.

The only reason they have gotten as far as they have with it is because its such a large and vocal group, that started out with the very rich artsy folks. If other sexual fetishes were as well organized then we’d be having S&M, and foot-fetish marches and education in schools. Maybe if the foot-fetish people get a large enough following, enough support, and enough money, they can also prove that its not a “life-style choice” but a “genetic predisposition” as well.

I doubt it. Gay...ism isn't a fetish. This argument isn't as extreme, but the logic fits well with others I've seen that compare gays to murderers.

Marriage is a sacrament of the Church. The Church is a private organization who can decide to allow that sacrament or not, accordingly. Marriage has been inherently tied to religion, and not only in Christian religions, since well before the US court system ever existed. Why the US courts think that it is within their jurisdiction to get involved in an ancient religious ceremony is beyond me.

Last I checked the Church didn't have a monopoly on marriages. I myself was married by the state by a justice of the peace. They're not necessarily asking for rights to invade your church. Just rights to be legally considered a family unit.

Children today are being brought up to show RESPECT for the homosexual cause, and DISRESPECT for Christianity that opposes it.

Close. I was taught to respect everyone. Every time you rub me the wrong way, you will lose a bit though. For the record I was raised a Christian and I still have an inherent respect for the values and morals it embodies. But I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea that God would hate me for swearing, not going to church to worship, etc. My stance on the issue is "I do my best to lead a good life, be a productive member of society, and instill values and morals in my children." If God is going to damn me for swearing like a sailor and never going to church along the way, then he doesn't deserve my worship.

This is the beef I have with organized Christianity in general. I honestly don't know how people do it. Why would you readily accept the notion that the people you love more than anything could burn in eternal damnation just because they "sinned" - maybe they just didn't go to church enough. That's a lot of anxiety to just willfully take on in the name of faith.

Maybe some of us will have some learning to do or issues to work through (hell) before we're allowed in, but I'd like to think that we all end up in a heaven of sorts. I prefer to think of all beliefs as ice cream. Pick a flavor that works for you and go with it. Religion is just a little too nutty for my taste - I like chocolate chips.

That is why they lobbied to get religion removed from schools, and why they are now lobbying to get their agenda put in as its replacement.

Well to be blunt the gays have a better track record of not burning people at the stake for "heresy". Seriously, though I'm not sure what "agenda" your talking about.

Really, I'm sorry for helping the thread down this path, but I do think some of what I contributed pertains to the topic. And Defcon, I'm not out to attack you specifically, but you were the only one that chimed in on the Christian front and some of what you said I found a little offensive.

The crux of the issue is not gays vs. Christians. It's this attitude of "We are right, everyone else is wrong - we'll pretend to "respect" you if you're different, but it's only a word to us - we actually believe that you're deserving of eternal torture. Sometimes we'll even tell you so to your face." I don't think Jesus would approve.

I see respect like this: If someone said they think they're gay, I might tell them to explore that and If they decided they were then I would be supportive - because I respect that. If you can't support something, it's a given that you don't actually respect it. Accept that other people live their lives the way they see fit, and most of the time they don't need or want anyone else telling them they're doing it wrong.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by an0maly33]