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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:24 PM by pluckynoonez
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Originally posted by Raustin
I am still of the opinion that the birthplace thing needs to be addressed. It's not just me being a sore loser, I think it's important legitimate
questions are answered....
The alternative was worse than someone born in Kenya...
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:40 PM by NuclearPaul
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Originally posted by infinite
Rense is about trustworthy as a Michael Jackson babysitting agency.
And what is a trustworthy news site? CNN? FOX?
Originally posted by Evisscerator
As far as the Obama citizenship test is concerned, its literally up to the US Supreme Court now, who have infact, ordered OBAMA and the DNC to produce
a "Vault Copy" of his US Birth Certificate by December 1st.
If he does not, the US Supreme Court can invalidate his win of the popular vote and declare the win NULL AND VOID.
This is insane! If the Supreme court has ordered him to produce it, surely that means he hasn't done so already. How can a political party even
nominate him as their candidate without being sure he was born in the USA? Did the democrats even check?
If he is born outside the USA, this is a setup. Straight from the top! Designed to cause disorder.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 10:45 PM by sadisticwoman
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Ever consider that even he may believe he was born in America?
Or perhaps that YOU'RE WRONG?
No, no, who considers the other side of arguments anymore?
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:34 PM by MaMaa
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I wish no ill will on the man, I'm sure he is a decent person. I may not agree with his policies just as I didn't agree with some of McCains.
However if it turns out that he really isn't a natural born citizen then it is what it is. If it turns out that he isn't a citizen then that
doesn't mean that it is some conspiracy against him and that someone made it up. Just the same as if he turns out to be a natural born citizen then
it is what it is and I wish him well. I can imagine that the next four years are not going to be easy, it wouldn't have been easy for anyone though.
I hope this is put to rest soon though. Just because they say he was born in Kenya doesn't make it so. Just like him saying and showing a copy of a
certificate doesn't make him a natural born citizen. I want proof just as many others do, but to be fair I would expect the same of any president
elect.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:01 AM by fleabit
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Why would the leader of a country actually know if someone was born there? Sounds like he just was the media to draw attention to this country. Is
there a Kenyan birth certificate? I'd like to see it. I guarantee 100% that the leader did not know Obama when he was born. He is going on
hearsay.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:16 AM by silo13
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Well heads up everyone.
If Obama is not a US citizen - Schwarzenegger for Pres. in 12-16...
Who knows, maybe that's what this is all about.
Allow one in - allow them all...
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:36 AM by WhatTheory
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Originally posted by neformore
Hmm.
Did the "Iraq has WMD's" thing somehow pass you by?
Or did you forget that one?
Are you always disingenuous or do you purposefully distort in order to make a lame point?
Please......you do know the difference between lying and being wrong right? Are you saying Bush intentionally lied or could it have been that the
intel he recieved was wrong. Get a grip already.
Obama could have stopped all this talk in it's tracks. All he had to do was produce his original birth certificate (Not his certificate of live
birth). He refused, so whatever happens is his own fault. Now the question is why didn't he......hmmm....something to hide?
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:43 AM by tommyb98201
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Kenya is a very poor country. Some tourism would be very helpful. I would believe Obama before the ambassador of Kenya. I am not a big fan of the man
either.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:53 AM by solo32_98
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Flagged AND starred.
As if America has not already been shaken to the core ...
Just another log for the fires of revolution.
I really hope it's not true.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 12:59 AM by badgerprints
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Originally posted by neformore
Originally posted by Ign0rant
Yet it makes a different because he lied to the America People. How many people want a dishonest president?
Hmm.
Did the "Iraq has WMD's" thing somehow pass you by?
Or did you forget that one?
You can't say that because somebody did something wrong then we have to allow a president to be put into office in violation of the law.
I did not vote for Obama and I don't want him as president but if it is legal and above board then get him in there and let him see what he can
accomplish. I hope he can help make things better. If he was not born in the US and gets into office then they need to get it cleared up and go to
someone else. Either way it is all just making things worse because he hasn't actually produced the requested documents.
As CITIZENS we are held to the law and required to produce proper proof of birth on items as getting a social security number, serving in the
military, certain jobs,-the list goes on- but the president elect gets a pass?
Get real. Have them provide proper documentation and let's get on with things.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 01:05 AM by DJMessiah
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Originally posted by Ign0rant
Yet it makes a different because he lied to the America People. How many people want a dishonest president?
How many, you ask?
How many voted for Bush to be in office the second time?
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 02:11 AM by NoArmsJames
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This is the second thread I've seen on this subject today, the first is here
www.abovetopsecret.com.... In that clip the ambassador
clarifies that he is speaking of Barack Obama Sr., the father of President-elect Obama. C'mon guys, deny ignorance.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:40 AM by JanusFIN
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reply to post by NoArmsJames
My first post was sent here:
posted on 21-11-2008 @ 15:04
That second thread from same issue, came later than this to breaking news... I look it, and thought that Mods will lock that thread soon... But they
didnt.
Another thread first post was:
posted on 21-11-2008 @ 21:08
Just defend my posts...
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:54 AM by neformore
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Are you always disingenuous or do you purposefully distort in order to make a lame point?
Ooooh....could it be, possibly, that someone has an opinion different from yours? Is that the reason for the cheap jibe here?
The person I responded to was talking about honest politicians, and I used that example. And yes, I personally believe it was a lie. So many
lies were told in the course of the Iraq action, by a number of governments.
I mean, heres a good example - do you remember this little gem, from Rumsfeld about WMD's?
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Except "we" didn't, and that was a big fat porky pie.
But hey, lifes all about opinions isn't it?
Being a politician isn't about being honest. Its about manipulation, and selectivity. Its about getting the votes by promising the world and
delivering less than a tenth of what you promised.
And yes, Obama will tell his fair share of lies, as has every single president that came before him and likely every one after him.
Ain't no such thing as an honest politican.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:57 AM by neformore
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by badgerprints
You can't say that because somebody did something wrong then we have to allow a president to be put into office in violation of the law.
Phew! well....good job I didn't then, isn't it ?
My comment was purely on the honesty of politicans, and the total and utter lack of it.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 05:04 AM by Neo Christian Mystic
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As far as I know, and would expect, one of the first things a presidential candidate would do, would be to make sure he fits the criterea for becoming
a president. Every birth in the USA is logged and numbered and as far as I can see it would be nearly impossible to cheat USA with a faked birth
certificate in order to become president. But then again, nothing is imposible. With the right connections and the right ammount of money, anything
could be done.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 11:32 PM by y2presley
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Originally posted by blaqmyst
Get over it, Damn! The man is the President now and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. Direct your energy towards something worth
actually researching. It's tired and old.
The man is still a loser!
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