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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 03:07 AM by Canadianduder
reply to post by noobfun



Are you actually suggesting that humans have not been genetically modifying different species in the laboratory?

Please tell me you are not so ignorant.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 03:08 AM by noobfun
Originally posted by Canadianduder
reply to
post by noobfun



Are you actually suggesting that humans have not been genetically modifying different species in the laboratory?

Please tell me you are not so ignorant.


you can read cant you?

go back and try and read what i said again



reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 03:11 AM by Canadianduder
reply to post by noobfun



What is your point?

You have yet to establish your hypothesis.

Please do so immediately.

"re-read what was said" is a lame excuse not to clarify your poorly written comments..

I've noticed 1/3 of your posts thus far contain a variation of this phrase.
You should stop ignoring us when we ask you a question "re-read what was said" is not an answer.

Neither is "go back and try and read what i said again" or "you can read cant you?"

-You make snarky comebacks, when asked to clarify a point. There is no need for your juvenile behaviour..

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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 03:13 AM by noobfun
reply to post by Canadianduder



no

you seem to think me informing you of further advances scientists (fully synthetic viruses) have made some how equates to me sying they dont do anything and cant

maybe you should share yours, or re-read what was said




you also missed fully synthetic virus's built from scrath we have a few of those news.bbc.co.uk... for study purposes


if they are FULLY SYNTHETIC they are man made in labs

which i why i am saying re-read it

your jumping to conclusions the evidence just doesnt hold to and throwing insults around which only compounds your foolishness


and ummm? who was it that started throwing the insults? i think sarcastic replies may just be justified



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reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 09:34 AM by J.Smit
So it seems that Evolutionaries merely deny their ignorance and hope some unproven theories might become facts sometime.

I rather admit not knowing, then search around until i found the Truth: evolution and Creation are incomparable, incompatible, and evolution merely makes monkeys out of men - much the same as your local parties and pub-crawling. So, maybe there is evidence of evolution after all. Just not the way the evolutionaries hoped it would have been.

I rather remember my one leg was shorter than the other until a colleague prayed for it and anointed it with plain cooking oil; now they are of equal length. Two times already, i prayed to God to stop rain so i can finish my work; two times He worked it to exact timings. Once it rained on a day it should not have, until i repented a sin i had committed the previous day; the rain stopped abruptly. I towed a boat for approximately 50 kilometres with a vehicle, only realizing the fuel is empty about halfway. I hoped the gauge was broken; when i reached my destination, a co-worker filled the vehicle up; the gauge was working. I prayed with a friend for healing in the Name of Jesus, for his wife, who had migraines every time there was to be a prayer meeting they should go to. He anointed her with plain cooking oil, and the sickness left her since then, leaving a small burn-mark where the oil touched her forehead.

But this is not to convince you of anything. You choose to believe unproven theories. I choose to believe on the Name of Jesus Christ as the Creator of this universe. You go by "seeing is believing" and therefore cannot accept that evolution cannot be. God goes by "believe and you will see" and that was why, i had the privilege of seeing sickness healed, rain stopped...

Halelluya!!!


reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 09:46 AM by noobfun
Originally posted by J.Smit
So it seems that Evolutionaries merely deny their ignorance and hope some unproven theories might become facts sometime.
you do understand the fact that it is a SCIENTIFIC THEORY, so it already is proven

it takes facts and explains how and why they occur

I rather admit not knowing, then search around until i found the Truth: evolution and Creation are incomparable, incompatible, and evolution merely makes monkeys out of men - much the same as your local parties and pub-crawling. So, maybe there is evidence of evolution after all. Just not the way the evolutionaries hoped it would have been.
actually it was Linneaus that classified us as apes back in the 18th century long before Darwin was born

Linneause was a creationist, Darwins origins is an explenation of how what Linneaus observered happens

I rather remember my one leg was shorter than the other until a colleague prayed for it and anointed it with plain cooking oil; now they are of equal length. Two times already, i prayed to God to stop rain so i can finish my work; two times He worked it to exact timings. Once it rained on a day it should not have,
bad weather predictions prove god exist?

how many times did you pray and nothing happened? (give both sides honestly)

until i repented a sin i had committed the previous day; the rain stopped abruptly. I towed a boat for approximately 50 kilometres with a vehicle, only realizing the fuel is empty about halfway. I hoped the gauge was broken; when i reached my destination, a co-worker filled the vehicle up; the gauge was working. I prayed with a friend for healing in the Name of Jesus, for his wife, who had migraines every time there was to be a prayer meeting they should go to. He anointed her with plain cooking oil, and the sickness left her since then, leaving a small burn-mark where the oil touched her forehead.
then that shows your friend or cooking oil is devine not god

do you pary to him to stop rain?

But this is not to convince you of anything. You choose to believe unproven theories.
umm no i can choose to beleive unproven hypothesis, and i can choose to deny theories(which means they are already proven by bieng scintific theories) but the fact they are scientific theories means they cannot be unproven


I choose to believe on the Name of Jesus Christ as the Creator of this universe. You go by "seeing is believing" and therefore cannot accept that evolution cannot be. God goes by "believe and you will see" and that was why, i had the privilege of seeing sickness healed, rain stopped...

Halelluya!!!
o_0 ...... rain elves video for you my friend



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reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 06:47 PM by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by noobfun



I have just watched one of your videos.

What you say is correct, "if" we were to accept, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to human primates, but the fact is, the total argument is over something that doesn't exist in your understanding, or any one else's understanding, as the whole conception of god by human Primates is totally incorrect.

Its a bit like saying a fish is a ball or some other object.

First define the Object, in this case a "Word" God and Not just pretend you know it.

A god in your Understanding or anyone else's understanding does Not exist.

But nether the less God exists.

But it is a living Machine, that is only a component of a Processing System.

God is Not the cause but is, a Part of a processing system involving Intelligence that is found in the result of Evolution in your existence today.

But hey if I pick up an object such as a ball and start ranting about it, as though it was fish or even anything else, the ball will remain as the ball, no matter what you believe or say about it, or try to prove or disprove anything about it.

It is the same in the case of The "Word" God!

The definition of the "Word" God is incorrect!

In fact is totally unrelated, just as in the case of the Ball and fish mentioned above!

So it is totally pointless bringing the misguided thoughts, of human primates regarding a god as an entity, like a person especially when the "Word" God relates to an "Optical Based Geometric Processing Machine"!

If people want to worship a "machine" that is fine, but I think that is a little weird don't you?

The Machine called God, is a component of something that is used to generate Holographic experiences, and is Not the Cause but is rather part of the Effect!

So your argument is to do with the philosophy of primates, that have No knowledge of what god may be, or not be.

Even in your belief of so called evolution theories, requires a state of order and disorder to some degree, within something in order for your evolution theories to take place.... LOL

But what I am saying is, that the place where Evolution is taking place, is Not in the effect, but rather the cause.

What you see in your world is the result and Not the Cause!

The cause contains intelligence, not in or of a primates grey matter or brain, but in what has produced the manifestation of the experience, you are having right now.

What has produced this is Unknown by you and others, end of story!

So Intelligent Design, does in No way imply a god of the Primates understanding, which is at its very best, Privative as though in the the thoughts of the cave man playing with bones.... LOL

What ever gives you, the fantasy that human Primates are intelligent or even civilised?

Hell you only have to look around you, to see the answer, so Stop B.S.ing your self!

By what I observe of humankind, does not support that he or she is what you call intelligent or for that matter civilised !!!!!

Hell you are imprisoned on a rock, called the Earth, and your jailer is ignorance.

Why on earth would you want to come to the Earth???? LOL

Sorry my dry humour but it may be a bit complicated for most????

Humankind is like a cave man peering out through the opening in his cave, too frightened to go outside in case the old imaginary "boggy man" might be there.

I mean, let's get real about ourselves for goodness sake!

All I hear is the sound of burbling from a Zoo of human primates, screeching at each other, just to try and find a sense of security
in their own pitiful imaginations, whether it be theories of evolution or religious philosophy or Roman indoctrination.

Come on, Get real everyone !!!!



reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by angel of lightangelo
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller



Humankind is like a cave man peering out through the opening in his cave, too frightened to go outside in case the old imaginary "boggy man" might be there.

I mean, let's get real about ourselves for goodness sake!

All I hear is the sound of burbling from a Zoo of human primates, screeching at each other, just to try and find a sense of security
in their own pitiful imaginations, whether it be theories of evolution or religious philosophy or Roman indoctrination.


That is the best description of organized religion that I have ever read. This is exactly what I saw before I ran screaming from the church for good.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 09:45 AM by noobfun
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

I have just watched one of your videos.
not my video just one that fits the message

What you say is correct, "if" we were to accept, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to human primates,
but that the only way we can

any understanding of a so called god is labeling ignorance and giving it a name and powers,

but the fact is, the total argument is over something that doesn't exist in your understanding, or any one else's understanding, as the whole conception of god by human Primates is totally incorrect.
but you do understand the nature of god? as a mere primate?

Its a bit like saying a fish is a ball or some other object.
thats precisley what religeon and faith does

it makes a somthing somthing else even your own varient

it makes what is into somthing you would like it to be

First define the Object, in this case a "Word" God and Not just pretend you know it.

A god in your Understanding or anyone else's understanding does Not exist.
even yours

What you say is correct, "if" we were to believe, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to this human primate


and it is not accepting without evidence merely believing what the primate mind conjours up

But nether the less God exists.
wild assumption based purley on the primates flaws, can you prove it? have you experienced it?

but experienvce is fallable and recreatable

But it is a living Machine, that is only a component of a Processing System.
no you assume it to be

What you say is correct, "if" we were to believe, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to this human primate


God is Not the cause but is, a Part of a processing system involving Intelligence that is found in the result of Evolution in your existence today.
again more assumption and belief

your god is no more real or provable then anyother so how can you honsetly say yours is the one over another?

But hey if I pick up an object such as a ball and start ranting about it, as though it was fish or even anything else, the ball will remain as the ball, no matter what you believe or say about it, or try to prove or disprove anything about it.
exactly

you may not rant about it but still call a ball a fish and deffine the fish as a different type of fish

It is the same in the case of The "Word" God!

The definition of the "Word" God is incorrect!
no it is the deffinition of god, it cant be wrong as it is a description of what it is supposed to be

you may view your personal god like thing as different but that does not change the deffinition of the word god

you just missues it to mean somthing else

So it is totally pointless bringing the misguided thoughts, of human primates regarding a god as an entity, like a person especially when the "Word" God relates to an "Optical Based Geometric Processing Machine"!
as it is just as pointless to bring misguided thoughts of geometric processing machines and call them god

What you say is correct, "if" we were to believe, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to this human primate


If people want to worship a "machine" that is fine, but I think that is a little weird don't you?
i think worshipping anything is wierd along with believing they exist machine or being alike

The Machine called God, is a component of something that is used to generate Holographic experiences, and is Not the Cause but is rather part of the Effect!


What you say is correct, "if" we were to believe, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to this human primate


Even in your belief of so called evolution theories, requires a state of order and disorder to some degree, within something in order for your evolution theories to take place....
and we find those states so no need for belief, belief and faith are without or dispite the evidence

The cause contains intelligence, not in or of a primates grey matter or brain, but in what has produced the manifestation of the experience, you are having right now.

What has produced this is Unknown by you and others, end of story!
but that does not need any divine guiding bieng or machine of geometry

that is just labeling ignorance again

if we dont understand we can begin to, but to use blanket answers of faith and belief remove this, reveling in ignorance is not for me sorry it smells a bit funny afterwards

So Intelligent Design, does in No way imply a god of the Primates understanding, which is at its very best, Privative as though in the the thoughts of the cave man playing with bones....
wrong all roads lead to god through infinity digress

thats what ID is not what you belive it to be by not attempting to understand and look at it

What ever gives you, the fantasy that human Primates are intelligent or even civilised?
did i say we are?

so it is your fanatsy that that is what i believe

Hell you only have to look around you, to see the answer, so Stop B.S.ing your self!
look around can see no god or divine computers or evidence of

maybe take your own advice?

By what I observe of humankind, does not support that he or she is what you call intelligent or for that matter civilised !!!!!
intelligent yes but so are many primates and birds and mammals

civalised no becasue we create things that do not exist and use them to form opinions of others as a means to seperate and attack and discriminate

Hell you are imprisoned on a rock, called the Earth, and your jailer is ignorance.
astronauts would disagree

Why on earth would you want to come to the Earth????
what makes you imagine we had a choice? and what makes earth any worse then anywhere else?

id rather come to earth then saturn or pluto wouldnt you?

Humankind is like a cave man peering out through the opening in his cave, too frightened to go outside in case the old imaginary "boggy man" might be there.
and that is what all faith is

even your own, when you come out of teh cave and look around suddenly theres less need for the imaginary and you can accept reality in all its cruelty and compassion and ugly beauty

I mean, let's get real about ourselves for goodness sake!
if only

All I hear is the sound of burbling from a Zoo of human primates, screeching at each other, just to try and find a sense of security
in their own pitiful imaginations, whether it be theories of evolution or religious philosophy or Roman indoctrination.
or geometirc computers

What you say is correct, "if" we were to believe, the so called understanding of what a god should be, according to this human primate


evolution relies on evidence and fact, geometric super universal computers and sky daddys and santa and elves dont they need an absence of it to exist

your redefinition of what a god is and how it works is no better then any other based on speculation and superstition and flase understanding of what is

and no more valid either


Come on, Get real everyone !!!!
own advice again

why you rage against religeon you rage aginst your own belief your own unproven suposition

by slamming main stream gods you slam your own unknowingly and like the main stream you ignore this fact rather then let it question your own beliefs



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reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 01:25 PM by arbiture
Originally posted by speaker
reply to
post by noobfun



Hmmm, I don't know, doesn't sound like much of a rebuttle to me.

I'm not sure that you understand the way odds work. 1:1 indicates a certainty, the odds of life being created by some higher power are close to a certainty, but there's always the possibility that it's not the case. Also you mentioned natural selection a couple of times. My understanding was that natural selection eliminates species rather than increasing their numbers. It almost seems as though you're saying that every possible type of species has been around at some point, creating such a vast pool for natural selection to pick and choose through. I must have misinterpreted you.

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I would have thought a theory became fact when it is proven to be factual. You are spot on with scientists changing their theories though. Although I find they try and hold on to an existing theory as long as they can and just give it a few tweaks here and there to cope with the contrary evidence they discover along the way. Eventually though, they are forced to abandon the orginal and start from scratch. Just look at quantum theory for an example. In fact, I often here people say that scientists require incredible amounts of proof and ask countless questions before accepting a theory, when in practice it seems quite the opposite in certain circumstances. You see the biggest problem I have is they persist in generating theories based on incomplete data. How often do you hear the word scientists linked with the phrases "are baffled" or " are amazed" or "are astonished"? That's what happens whenever they discover that something doesn't work the way they theorised, but honestly, what do you expect when you ignore half the information?

Life becomes complex enough to become self-aware? Is that like plants evolving into animls? Sounds pretty far-fetched.

Natural selection makes perfect sense. This is the most plausible part of evolutionary theory in my opinion. Pity about the lack of species available for selection though. With so much mutating going on, as the theory requires, I would have thought there would be far more diversity among not only humans, but all living creatures. Just think about it, there are more the 6 thousand million people who are virtually identical to one another. Going by the "fact of evolution" I would have expected there to be at least 6 thousand sub-species of humans with a million people in each, and some of those sub-species bordering on promotion to a species in their own right.

But that's just me, I don't just accept what I'm told. I DO question things.



A theory is a fact when by all methods used for observation are employed, to the largest extent possible then a conclusion is reached. Thats not a weakness. Its called logic. As our knowledge improves and our instruments get "more finate"we may change our conclusions based on what is revealed to us. Sometimes we completely condradict ourselves. Its embaresing, but its the truth. (forgive bad spelling)


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 01:32 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by ahimsa



If you want to hear about what the creationists are really saying how the Bible does truly tell the story of our planets history and the fact that the overwhelming suppressed evidence for a worldwide flood ,facts that dinosaurs are still alive,fossils of giant men, age of the earth,how different the world was before the flood,look up Kent Hovind's stuff. On Bible prophecy (which is coming true before our very eyes) Cutting Edge Ministries has some really good information. Pastor Billy Crone has some good information on the Book of Revelations (which is about future(present) events) I grew up believing in the supernatural but not the Bible,and after researching endlessly for the truth and many personal supernatural experiences,I have found that the Bible truly is the True Word of God.Everything that is unknown is made known through the Word of God which is the Bible. Study it,don't just read it,be amazed.It is the best book in the world! Do not be deceived into not finding true salvation through Jesus Christ. We have all sinned and God is Holy and must punish sin. He gave us His Son who was born of Him and is Him, (we were created by Him not born) came down to earth as a full human to die on the cross and wash our sins as the final atonement for our sins. All we have to do is ask Him to forgive us,repent and believe in Him with faith and obey His Commandments.Think about it,God Almighty,creator of everything, lowered Himself to our level to save us,the only way that we could be saved,by someone sinless,The Lamb of God.Our Holy God suffered as a man for us sinners.That is how much He loves us. How long have we tried to save ourselves? Has it worked? Has the world gotten any better since people stopped believing in The True God? Have peoples morals gotten any better since we stopped using the Bible as our guide? Have the schools gotten any better since they took the Bible out? I could go on and on. Research for yourself. Don't be deceived any longer. Seek the truth and you WILL find it. I will be praying for whoever reads this. May you truly find peace and comfort and salvation in our Almighty Lord. God Bless You.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:13 PM by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by noobfun



My response to you comments...

Your Words Quote:-

"and it is not accepting without evidence merely believing what the primate mind conjours up"


OK prove to me, or all of us here on ATS that the mind is actually the Primates!

Can please educate us all, on ATS about what the Human Primate Mind actually is, and how can we touch and hold this physically, as you do Not believe in a Life force or whatever you may call it.

Perhaps you can enlighten us, how every thing came into existence from "non existence", and all the rules of the processes starting from a state of Non existence as you put it.

I would love to know where Motivation came from, to cause (your beliefs in ) Evolution to take place from a state of Non Existence to Existence and to what is now???

But mainly I am interested in your thoughts and beliefs regarding the Change from "Non existence" to "Existence", this is also a part of Evolution that is if Evolution exists at all in your universe???

Remember I believe you only see the changes as a result of the Evolution of the Intelligence that created your Universe.

What causes anything to be or in fact change????

Seriously though I welcome your beliefs you call facts!

Don't bring your god into this, it is Not I repeat Not about religion.

You worry me a little, because I think you are, a deeply religious person and your god is Evolution.

This is reflected by the fact you rave on about religion so much!

At times I wonder if you have a phobia regarding Life??? No offence intended, just an opinion based on the observation of your comments to me and others on ATS.

On the other hand I am Not a religious person as yourself!!!!


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:20 PM by J.Smit
reply to post by SaintlyMic



Reading the creation-account in Genesis, it is said that the waters came togher in seas on God's command. So i recon that the earth was as it is, execpt with much greater continents and smaller seas and oceans - actually, i think the oceans of now were merely large seas.

Sea is defined as a large mass of water, surrounded by land; ocean is a large mass of water, surrounding land (very rough description).

So there were no oceans, but could it be that, before the flood, the river described in Genesis 2, and its four smaller rivers it divided into, ran where the oceans are now?


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:50 PM by J.Smit
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller



The Human Genome Project discovered that DNA is actually written the same way a book is written. The researchers are studying that "book" and already began to use the information therein to identify within DNA parts that cause heriditary disease.

As soon as the evolutionaries can explain how a book wrote itself, i might be tempted to discard the notion of creation. Until then, which shall be way past Judgement Day, i think it more intelligent to trust the God who spared my life a couple of times, healed me and colleagues after prayer and even stoppen tain a few times, just long enough to finish what needed to be done.

So i take the Six-Day creation from Genesis. For if He cannot be trusted on that, He shouldn't have been trusted with my life.

Of course, i don't expect evolutionaries to understand what is written here, neither Old-earth creationists to change their standing on the rantings of some guy who is not at least a lab-assistant.

Of course, the Big Bang story is also a nice one, with one minor major flaw: As soon as they can explain why Venus rotates the opposite direction to Mercury and earth, maybe their theory there can be considered. As for now, it still makes more sense to trust in a Creator who decided which way to spin which planet, instead of why-ever there must be sought for some reason to explain what should be a nature impossibility.



reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:57 PM by J.Smit
reply to post by ahimsa



You limit God to time, which was also created.

God is in eternity, wherefore He could do in six days, what mankind could not yet do in six thousand years. If you cannot believe the first chapter of the bible (unless you use Dake's or NIV or The Message, which should be burned on contact), then why should you believe ANYTHING in there?

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reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 05:05 PM by J.Smit
reply to post by noobfun



Interesting signature. Maybe you should take look at the history of any Communist-state, to see atheism is a non-prophet, all profit for Government community religion. The community is the all, the induvidual is nothing and the Leaders get all the profits.

Happens wherever good evolution is taught and God's preachers are bought.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 06:28 PM by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by J.Smit



I would agree 101% with you, but it is Not that I question The True Mind, Which is The Life of God or The Consciousness of God, or the "Light of Man" but rather I question the Teachings of the church of Rome and Roman doctrine.

I should point out to you, that I have been to what is called "The Marriage Supper" in the bible and sat at our Lords Table.

Am I religious?
No I am Not.

Humankind has created a Religion, out of Knowledge, and the religious leaders and scholars, have Bastardised the writings, to try and destroy the Truth!

The Religious leaders of today have taken the place of the Pharisees!!!

Primates or Humans were called A'Dam But the Man is Not Flesh as in the Case of A'Dam but is the Name given to the Soul!
It is The Soul that was made in the Image of God and Not A'Dam.

The Writings have been Bastardised by the Scribes and Pharisees as Jesus Told Us!

39.
Jesus said,
"The Pharisees and the scribes
have taken The Keys of Knowledge
and hidden them
They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.


And I believe What Jesus said here!

All denominations have come out of the Roman church and propagate Roman Doctrine which is Not what the Bible is about.

Jesus whom I accept with all my heart and Soul did Not make any mention what so ever about any human church, Not Roman nor any other denomination on Earth. This is a Fact.

The words used in the Original text referred to "The Assemblies of Lights" but the Roman church took it on themselves, to change these words to the word churches....

This is a Fact of history.

There are thousands of writings that are Christian and Not of Roman Doctrine.

One of these is...

"The Thunder Perfect Mind"

You should be able to find this writing on the net. It is only a few pages long and easy reading although it is a parable.

It is supposedly a report, of The True Mind of God which is The Life of God or The Christ.

If you read in the Book of John Chapter 1.
Verse 1..

Quote;

1. In the beginning
was the Word,
and the Word
was with God.

2. He was in the beginning
with God.

3. All things were made
Through Him,
And without Him
nothing was made
that was made.

4. In Him was Life,
and the Life was
The Light of Men.........

Note; the Word was with God;
This implies Two entities correct???

Note; it also says that The Word was God.
But God is a Word whose Letters are G, O, D.

So who is He????
And What is God???

Do you see what I am getting at????

So "He", refers to I understand is Christ The Life of God.

The Word Life in Greek is Zeta, Omega, Eta.
Which is Doric Greek.
And in Ionic Greek; Zeta Omega, Alpha.
And in Epic Greek; Zeta Omega Omega.

All mean to Live or Move!

4. In Him was Life,
and the Life was
The Light of Men...

Notice it says "In Him" was Life!

And The Life was The Light of Men.

In Greek the word "Light" here, is Written as Phos.

Phos is any Light that comes from Any luminous body, such as The Sun, or a Star, or a meteor.

Hence in 2 Peter He is called The Day Star.
And in The Revelation The Bright and Early Morning Star.
And in the Book of Malachi The Sun (Not Son) of Righteousness!

So if "He" being The Christ what is the One He was With????

Well this is a "Word" that is spelt G, O, D.

So we have to go back to the Lost Written Language called Zionic

This was got rid of at the Time of the Captivity of The Jews between 600 and 500 BC when the bones of The Scribes and Priests were burnt on the Altars!

But it is Possible to "Back Engineer" this Language today!

And in The Zionic Language you find the Understanding of The Word "God"

The Word is actually a Geometric Algorithm of the Building blocks of All existence.



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reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by FSBlueApocalypse
Originally posted by J.Smit
reply to
post by noobfun



Interesting signature. Maybe you should take look at the history of any Communist-state, to see atheism is a non-prophet, all profit for Government community religion. The community is the all, the induvidual is nothing and the Leaders get all the profits.

Happens wherever good evolution is taught and God's preachers are bought.


Oh please, this is along the same lines as saying Darwin was the reason Hitler committed the Holocaust. The totalitarian communist countries didn't care about the philosophical or moral applications of atheism, only that it eliminated the biggest stumbling block of making the leaders the most important thing in people's lives, God. It's no different than when a leader hijacks a religion and makes himself the Messiah, messenger of God, etc.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 08:32 PM by noobfun
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

My response to you comments...

Your Words Quote:-

"and it is not accepting without evidence merely believing what the primate mind conjours up"

OK prove to me, or all of us here on ATS that the mind is actually the Primates!


does it reference somthing you said? are you human? do you refer to humans as primates? do you call human thoughts, thoughts of the primate mind?

yes to all the above proven

Can please educate us all, on ATS about what the Human Primate Mind actually is,
by your deffinition the primate mind is the human mind

and how can we touch and hold this physically,
by making cointact with them

as you do Not believe in a Life force or whatever you may call it.
umm i havent said that, and that would have notihg ot do with touching somthing

Perhaps you can enlighten us, how every thing came into existence from "non existence", and all the rules of the processes starting from a state of Non existence as you put it.
ummm no i didnt

I would love to know where Motivation came from, to cause (your beliefs in ) Evolution to take place from a state of Non Existence to Existence and to what is now???
nothing to do with evolution

and i dont have belief in evolution just acceptance of the evidence

But mainly I am interested in your thoughts and beliefs regarding the Change from "Non existence" to "Existence", this is also a part of Evolution that is if Evolution exists at all in your universe???


not by sciences deffintion of evolution it isnt

Remember I believe you only see the changes as a result of the Evolution of the Intelligence that created your Universe.
but can you prove it?

What causes anything to be or in fact change????
lots of things random mutation, gravity, collision all cause change

Seriously though I welcome your beliefs you call facts!

Don't bring your god into this, it is Not I repeat Not about religion.
as an athiest i have no god to bring into anything, maybe look the word up?

You worry me a little, because I think you are, a deeply religious person and your god is Evolution.
bordering on the absurd

This is reflected by the fact you rave on about religion so much!
my understanding of religeons fakes and fallacies have nothing to do with a scientific thoery or maybe it becasue i accept gravity too or maths or chemistry?

At times I wonder if you have a phobia regarding Life??? No offence intended, just an opinion based on the observation of your comments to me and others on ATS.
id love to hear how you came to this conclusion

the fact i think wasting our precious time on imginary constructs would point the opposite conclusion

On the other hand I am Not a religious person as yourself!!!!
your a super atheist? hows that work?

i accept on evidence not faith or belief
so how does super atheism work?
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