An open letter to Creationists

Personally, I'm a creationist but have no interest or belief in Christianity. While not a Hindu nor a Sikh, they are also creationists. The issue seems to be an odd one if people are non-creationists because they don't like something the Christians use for propaganda. Darwinism/Einstein are pure Illuminati propaganda and evolution being so statistically ridiculous with odds that I suspect are way worse than the idea of 3 buildings vertically collapsing around the same time, same place, by natural causes. The spirit here is so weak and the forces and density of matter so great, life forms devolve rather than evolve upwards. All that is observable at best is sideways change and avoidance by life forms. But it is still fundamentally the desire of the life form that is really what is being credited for evolution. That aside, philosophy and it's relations in Illuminati education managed pseudo science will always fail to grasp the necessary insight to common sense. All so called "Evolutionists" operate on nothing more than a false intuition, superstitious belief that has nothing provable in it. Just an attitude that serves the interest of peer/social acceptance and career opportunities.

Great post, Although I think it is "Noachian" Flood.

I count myself as a Christian. Not a great one, but I think there's "something" more to the Universe.

Science is not simply a list of beliefs randomly decided and dogmatically stuck to. It is a SYSTEM of practices more than beliefs, it is a way of approaching any problem that is willing to change its current beliefs if the evidence comes in. Religion starts with the answer it is unwilling to abandon. Fine, believe in Creation, but you have to be honest or you have to learn the definition and realize it is not, and can never be, science, unless you have a "creationism" which would be willing to dump God if we did find all the intermediate forms and nailed down the exact methods of abiogenesis. And don't think it can't.

Creationism and Intelligent Design are PHILOSOPHIES. Believe them if you want to but they can never be science.

i shall now trip your entire argument over by only adressing 1 line of your post

its kinda like magic ^_^

ready ?

the odds that we arnt decende from a common ancestor with chimps is actual and this is just for a handful of our shard erv's

1 in 2,057,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

that we didnt decend from a common ancestor, a much higher figure then the creationist make up to show how unlikley it is

and you think the odds of evolution are near impoosible?

ready for it's

1:1 becasue its proven

we have calculators and fossils and dna analysis = we win

YouTube Link

most of the rest of your reply can be sumed up with the phrase of a common internet meme

'Face Palm'

facepalm.ytmnd.com...

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reply to post by ahimsa

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Cain and Abel have been identified as Egyptian Kings. They also appear in Irish legend, except that in the Celtic version it is Abel and his brother Brian (King Baion aka Abraham) who kills Cain.

Adam was the Egyptian God Atum who in their belief was the first God to come to Earth and become a king of Egypt.

I think the real question should rather be: "Is there a god, and if so what is his relationship with us?"

There is no evidence for the existence of a god, and even if there was there is no reason a being with such a perspective would care about us in the least.

reply to post by noobfun

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Your Words:-

" there was no real insult intended pitty the same wasnt returned in your original post or your reply

your a clown who thinks philosophy is scinece and if h puts any old words in a line it makes sense

dont post anything write it out then get soemone who understands english to check it for you your babbelfish is broken "

Oops....

Unless he was harvesting our souls when we died, so he could live forever?

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

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Sorry I don't know what you are talking about, I can't understand your English at All.

no becasue that was the reply to the reply ^_^

the insults began with the challenge you set

my reply i pointed them out

you then threw a few more only didnt try to hide them as compliments

my reply i thought sod it lets have some fun

the only oops is you dont understand sequences of event its seems

greaat try though

**appologise for the none topic relevant post folks**



everyone else seems to though



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reply to post by noobfun

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The reason I can Not accept your B.S. on Evolution, is because of your disgraceful behaviour.

If you are any example of the mainstream of Evolution messengers, propagating this material, I can Not possibly become like you.

This is Not against others putting forward their beliefs in evolution.

If I can Not accept the Theories of Evolution, it is purely based on this persons attitude, toward Science and humankind.

***sorry about this agian folks ****

which behaviour would this be?

responding to personal insults with mockery and sarcasm? your right i could and probabily should choose to rise above it but hey no ones perfect right?

knowledgable on the subject? able to condense rediculously complex ideas to a simplified badly butcherd version for anyone to understand without background knowledge of the theories? a blatant ignorer of correct spelling becasue the message not the speling and grammer is i feel the important part?

knowledgable on the subject? able to condense rediculously complex ideas to a simplified badly butcherd version for anyone to understand without background knowledge of the theories? a blatant ignorer of correct spelling becasue the message not the speling and grammer is i feel the important part? sarcastic? funny? an atheist? an english male? blue eyed? a smoker? a lover of life? an understanding friend?

guess im just a big meanie who makes the bwaha bunny cwy *sob*



impiracal scientifc evidence from a wide ranging array of fields of sceince including physics chemistry geology archaeology palentology dna analysis anatomical medicine. that makes predictions and then goes hunting for evidence based on those predictions and you guessed it, its exactly where the predictions said it should be

Tiktaalik wasnt an accidental find they knew the rough area to look to find somthing like it so they went and they found it becasue of predictions

same with whale evolution the identified the indus river basin an area between india and pakistan as the most likley place for whale evolution to have occured so off they went and they have found multipul tranistional fossils from a 4 legged land carnivour to what we class as modern whales

that i react to bieng attacked? im an athiest not a Passafist. if you really want to start a flame war go right on ahead ill happily sit back and laugh at the insults the fact you need to tells me ive broken your argument and its all you have left to do

well ive expressed my intrest attitude and desires in science

but never once have conclusivley stated the same for how i feel on humanity beyond i believe equality should be equal for all ive barely even hinted my beliefs so what can i say you must have read my mind

**** again sorry folks back to the topic hopefully ****



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reply to post by noobfun

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Yea whatever......

Behold the Man, or should I say The Primate, who Controls all Law and accepted theory as Fact regarding Earth and The Universe.

You really believe that all will bow don to you?

I think you are a little deluded and going by your behaviour, a little anger management counselling may by be of some help for you.

Good luck in the future.

YES!

i command you all this will be my only command

check out the youtube channels for

Donexodus2 - christian doctorate in biology(unknown specifics)
cdk007 - Ph.D. Molecular Neuroscience
Potholer54 - scientific journalist with a degree in geology
AndromedasWake - physicist not sure if degree or doctorate level working in astrophysics and astronomy

you dont have to believe evolution people thats ok, you can deny it all you like but please at least learn what it is your denying first. these guys will show you what it is you want to deny, if your unsure and sat on the fence they will show you the evidence we have, if you already understand it theres no harm in a refresher course

that was my first last and only command now stand up casue its hurting my neck to look down

oo i lied i have 1 more, be good to each other were only human after all

and if anyone feels like making me a coffee white 2 sugers please though this one isnt a comandment

i can honestly say i havnt been truley angry for over 5 years and before that it was an even longer gap, i guess all that meditation and psychology to help me undertand myself really paid off

thank you

You got me thinking here. Anyone calculated the chances of the god from the bible exsisting? How about the odds that any god exsists? I mean if evolution can be tossed away because of odds, then should not a god be held to that same standard?

LOLOLOL, that was kind of the point. You babbled a bunch of meaningless crap that made no sense. I was asking if that was what you meant. If you did not understand it, that is because I was doing my best to try and repeat back to you, IN ENGLISH, whatever you were saying. Sorry pal, but rambling about futures exsisting and gods owning it or whatever got you nowhere. I gave you a fair shake and tried to understand. You resort to being rude. Ok, have fun.

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

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Look why are you affected in this way, it doesn't really matter now does it?

All will be revealed to you in time, be patient....

When your last breath of air is drawn in, You Shall know everything then, and you won't even think of me, as you will be too busy learning.

So Don't let me upset you, we all find out in the End Don't we?????

No offence Intended just a little understanding of your position that's all.

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

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I said good day, sir.

not a one line post.

Allow me to make an observation. I get the distinct impression that people here think there is no alternative for the non-religious person other than to believe in evolution. Granted, there is some logic to the theory, such as distinct similarities between species such as apes and humans, but there is so much that is overlooked with the theory, I cannot understand how it enjoys such widespread acceptance.

Aside from the obvious shortcomings (something from nothing, non-living to living, impossible odds, lack of transitional species), some of the questions evolution raises to me are as follows:

How does a single living cell which does not think and is only able to divide itself, randomly develop into all known complex life without any direction?

Why are there so many more species now than there were in the beginning, when natural selection is so much more efficient at reducing the number of species, than the number of new species that can evolve?

Why are there so many near-identical specimans of each species? Shouldn't they be more and more diverse within the species given the increased population?

Why is it that cells are so much more susceptible to mutation when a new life begins than during an existing life?

Why is there only one species of human yet many species of ape today?

Perhaps there are logical answers to these questions, but currently, to my mind, these are just a few glaring inadequacies with the theory.