Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

We were Invited But how do we deal with Ignorance ???

by using common sense and logic and research and focusing on reality not fantasy

I offered the Answers but I get abuse instead...

your answers didnt answer they relied on logical fallacy and word games, several times when we have spoken ive asked you to review and redo to exclude these so we can really discuss them

I guess you will just have to be patient and wait won't you????

no not really

No sense in talking on this thread only Ignorance here I guess ????

hahahah yes theres a lot of it

but luckily theres a few voices of logic around here and id like to be so bold as to include myself inthat group

Good luck all in your Theories......

well they are proven if they are thoeries so no need for luck

Peace....

were working on it

You are all making the same mistake.
You with your finite minds are assuming that there had to be a beginning.

When you look out at the night sky and you see all the stars that they tell us are light years away, can you as you look out there, just let your gaze go further and further out. As it goes out even further can you conceptualize that there is no end. It just keeps on going, going, going
That is where the beginning is. It is infinite. There was no beginning.
Everything that is always was, just like endless space. It is beyond your comprehension.
Accept what is, quit spinning your wheels and just be happy.

Originally posted by OhZone
You are all making the same mistake.
You with your finite minds are assuming that there had to be a beginning.

to the universe in its present state yes, thats no assumption its based on testing and rational logic conclusions based on those tests

When you look out at the night sky and you see all the stars that they tell us are light years away, can you as you look out there, just let your gaze go further and further out. As it goes out even further can you conceptualize that there is no end.

but the fact you think there is no ende does not mean there is no end

It just keeps on going, going, going
That is where the beginning is. It is infinite.

it is expanding which means it cant already be infinate

There was no beginning.

in its present state there was, but that doesnt not mean it wasnt here in another form before, we simply cant know at this stage

Everything that is always was,

no it wasnt, id like to see some evidence of this claim

just like endless space.

but it isnt endless unless you have evidence of this also

It is beyond your comprehension.

but not yours? what a remarkable coincidence

Accept what is,

i do

quit spinning your wheels and just be happy.

i am happy and id rather be happy knowing then happy becasue i dontcare to know

[edit on 13/12/08 by noobfun]

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

We were Invited But how do we deal with Ignorance ???

I offered the Answers but I get abuse instead...

I guess you will just have to be patient and wait won't you????

No sense in talking on this thread only Ignorance here I guess ????

Good luck all in your Theories......

Peace....

I see, so get huffy if people do not answer your quesions right away as you asked but run off when someone poses the same situation onto you. Thanks for taking the time to help me understand. This place is always enlightening.

To noobfun,
"but the fact you think there is no ende does not mean there is no end "
If there is and end, tell me what is on the other side of it.

If the universe is expaning then there must be no end to space or it could not keep expanding now, could it? If space is not endless, then there must be something on the other side of it. Tell me what you think is there. Guess, speculate, theorize.

You only think that there has to be a beginning because that is the way your finite mind works.

There is no evidence for the no beginning & no end, that you are capable of understanding. Humans just are not built that way.

I didn't say I understood it all. No one does. They cannot.

OK nj2, If you want to get down to definitions, I agree with you. I think of "universe" as the all.

Originally posted by OhZone
To noobfun,
"but the fact you think there is no ende does not mean there is no end "
If there is and end, tell me what is on the other side of it.

who says there has to be anything?

If the universe is expaning then there must be no end to space or it could not keep expanding now, could it?

space is whats expanding space is our universe so yes it theoiretically could continue to expand until it runs out of energy then just sits there

If space is not endless, then there must be something on the other side of it.

why must there?

Tell me what you think is there. Guess, speculate, theorize.

no ill wait until we have a means to find out before i jus start making things up

You only think that there has to be a beginning because that is the way your finite mind works.

but your mind isnt finite then as you can see beyond that .... which it isnt is it?

so your drawing a false analogy based purley on the fact you want somthing to be there so there fore you attack my refusal to just invent somthing like you have

the universe is of a finite age and is expanding meaning in the past it was much smaller

There is no evidence for the no beginning & no end, that you are capable of understanding. Humans just are not built that way.

im sure Steven hawkins and all other theoretical physacists who deal with this would disagree

if the universe is expanding and we could rewind time then everything would get closer and compact

now we have to think of an explanation what could have caused the universe to still be expanding after 14 billion years and the answer is the big bang, way back when before it started expanding everything was compacted into a singularity, we dont know what formed it yet but ALL the evidence points that way

I didn't say I understood it all. No one does. They cannot.

i agree

but you say you dont understand it but then ignore the reasonable testable logical explanations and go with something thats unsupported and all the evidence points away from

OK nj2, If you want to get down to definitions, I agree with you. I think of "universe" as the all.

which is wrong

and that isnt what NJ said, NJ agree's with me on the universe expanding and bieng finite, what you should have said there was cosmos

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
If we desire space travel so much, dose this mean we are going to grow a fuel tang and rocket engine as part of our body.

And why would we need to?

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Lungs won't work out there, gills wont work out there, what will the lungs evolve into I wonder?????

Why would they need to?

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
Yes what I have written it is a lot of non sense isn't it???

But that is what Evolution is about.

umm... no, that's really not evolution.
That's what creationists like to believe evolution is...
Review what evolution is and not what you want it to be, then we'll talk.

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
You See humankind is frightened of finding out the answers!

Indeed, thus the always entertaining "God did it".
However, some people do seek the answers, and I wouldn't consider it wise to argue against these people when you're content with your own scope of reality.

Originally posted by TruthParadox
However, some people do seek the answers, and I wouldn't consider it wise to argue against these people when you're content with your own scope of reality.

That is possibly one of the best quotes I've seen here on ATS TP!

Good stuff!

I wish I could star that like 10 times...

Originally posted by OhZone
You are all making the same mistake.
You with your finite minds are assuming that there had to be a beginning.

Time does have a beginning, as time is a dimension in our Universe, which had a beginning.
However, many scientists believe (myself included... I actually wrote a 2 page theory I called the "infinite universe theory" which I later found out was already the name of a theory ) that our universe is a bubble so to speak with 'infinity' on the outside of this bubble.

Originally posted by OhZone
When you look out at the night sky and you see all the stars that they tell us are light years away, can you as you look out there, just let your gaze go further and further out. As it goes out even further can you conceptualize that there is no end.

We can't see the end and never can, as the speed of light is not fast enough for us to see it...
Our universe would be very different if it were infinite...