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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 04:58 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

What does then????

No it It's a god but what does???????

Cheers...

Are you saying that god takes the time to curve every branch a special way? Does he tenderly form houseplants in the direction of sunlight? Are you trying to claim that god micromanages soooo much that everything that ever happens outside of our free will is his doing?

Sorry please read my Question correctly!!!!

I was expecting a Non Religious answer!!!!!

Sorry my mistake I will ask it again I missed out a word I apologise!!!

No it It's Not a god but what does???????

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:01 PM by noobfun

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by nj2day

But where are the rules in the structural changes that take Place???

so your arguing against it but dont know it?

ummm i thouhgt you were smarter then this

i thought it was supposed to say we will grow back packs and become ufo's? well you said it did, but now your saying you dont know what it is

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:02 PM by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

Sorry please read my Question correctly!!!!

I was expecting a Non Religious answer!!!!!

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

What does then????

No it It's a god but what does???????

Cheers...

What did I miss. The grammar is off so I am not sure what "No it it's a god but what does" means. I really cannot even guess at that. I was not arguing with you, I was asking you, if you felt that something had to make a conscious effort to decide such things, well who do you think it was?
Instead you insulted me for not understanding your sentence that I have now reminded you makes no sense to begin with. Thanks for the cordial response.

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:05 PM by The Matrix Traveller

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

Sorry I edited my statement, while you were writing to me, go back a post please....

Technology I guess LOL

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:08 PM by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by angel of lightangelo

Sorry I edited my statement, while you were writing to me, go back a post please....

Technology I guess LOL

LOL, well ok so now that we are clear I was not just picking a fight. What do you think. I do not understand why anything has to be "choosing" or designing anything? You offered the idea so I was curious what you had in mind.

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:09 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by nj2day

But where are the rules in the structural changes that take Place???

so your arguing against it but dont know it?

ummm i thouhgt you were smarter then this

i thought it was supposed to say we will grow back packs and become ufo's? well you said it did, but now your saying you dont know what it is

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But I thought You had all the answers?????

I have lost faith in you!

The very fact you can't or won't answer....

What makes the Rules????

Says you have No foundation what so ever to your fantasies!

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:12 PM by nj2day

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

what are you talking about?

Natural Selection pressures and Sexual selection pressures is what guides evolution...

The only rule is survival and reproduction.

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:19 PM by The Matrix Traveller

reply to post by angel of lightangelo

Look, would you agree that whatever is happening on Earth, is Organised, in other words there is in fact a structure of rules in physics and Biology????

If So what constructed these rules or so called Laws...

Definitely No, I am Not suggesting a god....

(The word God is Not understood today and has been Bastardised into something it wasn't???)

But I wish to reflect on the rules in Biology.

Ignorance is Not an intelligent answer!!!

There are Obviously rulls in everything.

Where did These Rules come from how did they get here?

What are they from???

Not who are they from?

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:25 PM by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by angel of lightangelo

Look, would you agree that whatever is happening on Earth, is Organised, in other words there is in fact a structure of rules in physics and Biology????

No. I see that there are certain natural laws that dictate how things interact. I do not see why there need be a thing or person who decided that gravity works as it does or that light goes the speed it does. Do you have any good reason why I should believe that there was a thoughtful effort in the design?

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:25 PM by nj2day

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by angel of lightangelo

Look, would you agree that whatever is happening on Earth, is Organised, in other words there is in fact a structure of rules in physics and Biology????

If So what constructed these rules or so called Laws...

Definitely No, I am Not suggesting a god....

(The word God is Not understood today and has been Bastardised into something it wasn't???)

But I wish to reflect on the rules in Biology.

Ignorance is Not an intelligent answer!!!

There are Obviously rulls in everything.

Where did These Rules come from how did they get here?

What are they from???

Not who are they from?

Are you suggesting pantheism?

the undeniable laws in science are just how things are. If you're implying they must be "created", than you are going to get yourself into an infinite regression argument... I'm sure you don't want that...

There can't be existence of anything without any fundamental laws... even a complete lack "structure" would impose a "law" itself (entropy).

By cosmological standards... and even physics to an extent... You can not have "nothing", because, even nothing is SOMETHING...

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:28 PM by noobfun

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

But I thought You had all the answers?????

nice try but were talking about your misunderstanding of it and using that to discredit it

so should we evolve backpacks or not?

I have lost faith in you!

The very fact you can't or won't answer....

exploring your understanding is much more interesting

i like looking at the strawmen people build they can be really amusing

What makes the Rules????

Says you have No foundation what so ever to your fantasies!

thats funny i share the same fanatasies as everyone else that honestly looks at the subject

which rules? the mutations? natural selection?

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:29 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

what are you talking about?

Natural Selection pressures and Sexual selection pressures is what guides evolution...

The only rule is survival and reproduction.

Incorrect the Rules are in this?????

We have rules in Biology and Laws in Physics don't we???

Were or What made these Rules.

A god did Not make them....

But something produced these Intelligent Rules????

What ?????

And How ?????

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:30 PM by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

But something produced these Intelligent Rules????

What ?????

And How ?????

Why do you insist that? Even more so, why do you refuse to explain it?

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:31 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

But I thought You had all the answers?????
nice try but were talking about your misunderstanding of it and using that to discredit it

so should we evolve backpacks or not?

I have lost faith in you!

The very fact you can't or won't answer....
exploring your understanding is much more interesting

What makes the Rules????

Says you have No foundation what so ever to your fantasies!

thats funny i share the same fanatasies as everyone else that honestly looks at the subject

which rules? the mutations? natural selection?

I see You Still can't stop running from your Self!!!

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:36 PM by nj2day

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

Incorrect the Rules are in this?????

We have rules in Biology and Laws in Physics don't we???

Are we talking about evolution? or are we talking about universal constants? You're muddying the waters here...

Were or What made these Rules.

They've always been around... if you dont' believe that... than tell me who or what made this "who or what" that you're implying made these rules?

Infinite regression... However, what happens if there weren't any universal constants? That lack of rules would be a "rule" as well...

A god did Not make them....

nope... You're getting yourself into an infinite regression debate, which is something you can not win.

But something produced these Intelligent Rules????

Who said they are intelligent?

What ?????

And How ?????

You're digging yourself a hole here mate... I'll leave it alone for a little while longer... but if you decide to pursuit this line of thinking... You'll leave me no choice...

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:36 PM by noobfun

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

I see You Still can't stop running from your Self!!!

why would i run anywhere when this is so amusing?

more ad hominims per posts then the average guaranteed

go you

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:41 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

But something produced these Intelligent Rules????

What ?????

And How ?????

Why do you insist that? Even more so, why do you refuse to explain it?

You See humankind is frightened of finding out the answers!

I understand why....

For me to explain to you will take a very long thesis which I would Love to put on abovetopsecret and probably will when I have finished preparing it.

My life as it is at present leaves me very little time to even write now...

I am trying to complete a project that will introduce this technology I have mentioned in about 15 months time if all goes well.

If you desire to know I can send to you a copy of a number of letters and drawings I have done in the past that I have posted to thousands of people who are interested....

These are a number of letters that will take about 20 weeks to go through.

If you are genuinely Interested then leave a contact email address through U2U.

But please only contact me if you are Genuine in your desires.

If Not then wait until you can obtain the technology that we are going to release in about 15 Months.

It is an Optical Interface with the True Mind in the form of a Child's toy to acclimatise humankind to this technology!

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:45 PM by angel of lightangelo

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

I am so sick of asking simple questions on ATS and getting a half page post full of useless words that circle around "I dunno" but never land there. Do you know or not? Either explain it or get over it.

You want to know who we think made the rules.

I want to kow why you think anyone or anything made things that way.

Is there a reason you deserve an answer to your question any more than I do?

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:45 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by nj2day

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

Incorrect the Rules are in this?????

We have rules in Biology and Laws in Physics don't we???

Are we talking about evolution? or are we talking about universal constants? You're muddying the waters here...

Were or What made these Rules.

They've always been around... if you dont' believe that... than tell me who or what made this "who or what" that you're implying made these rules?

Infinite regression... However, what happens if there weren't any universal constants? That lack of rules would be a "rule" as well...

A god did Not make them....

nope... You're getting yourself into an infinite regression debate, which is something you can not win.

But something produced these Intelligent Rules????

Who said they are intelligent?

What ?????

And How ?????

You're digging yourself a hole here mate... I'll leave it alone for a little while longer... but if you decide to pursuit this line of thinking... You'll leave me no choice...

[edit on 13-12-2008 by nj2day]

Yea What ever you want to believe in I guess...

reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:45 PM by noobfun

here it comes ^_^

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

You See humankind is frightened of finding out the answers!

umm isnt that what science is ALL about? so i guess anyone that works scientifically isnt

I understand why....

oo please enlighten us

For me to explain to you will take a very long thesis which I would Love to put on abovetopsecret and probably will when I have finished preparing it.

actually on second thoughst send it me if its all logic fallacies and word games ill enjoy the read

My life as it is at present leaves me very little time to even write now...

I am trying to complete a project that will introduce this technology I have mentioned in about 15 months time if all goes well.

what technology? you havnt mentioned any

are we dealing with evolution now?

shall we go all random and offtopic? you certainly do love to derail topics

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