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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 03:48 PM by jibeho
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It was a great video clip and it was great to watch Cavuto get worked up with this whizbang. Michigan is grasping at straws right now but they had
many chances in the past.
Hey I work in new home construction and the lumber industry. Two industries that have all but dried up in my region. Who is going to give us money
to build spec. homes that no one can afford or that no one wants?
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 03:48 PM by grover
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Well I hate to burst anyone's bubble but once you've paid your taxes it really isn't your money anymore... its the government's and by extension
the nation's. So really when you look at it when you grudge paying taxes you are grudging your nation.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 04:01 PM by Wolfie_UK
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All I keep reading is "vote them out" , how about this Don't vote period !!!
I know I know, I'm from England so I should shut my mouth regarding American politics, but politics and politicians the world over are the same.
Just for once I would love to see in any country when a election was running and it was time to vote that no one did, shock and awe would take on a
new meaning.
The vote we all yield now is worthless, purely because the parties that are standing for election are just a different shade of the same colour, they
do not care about you, they just care about themselves and expect you to do the same.
Funny, as writing this I have just come to the conclusion that democracy only allows you to say what your government does not deem to be against the
government, that is your freedom and what your vote counts for.
Basically we the people are classed as null and void.
Wolfie
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 07:39 PM by VitriolAndAngst
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Normally, I think Cavuto is the world's biggest douchebag.
Don't make me like you Cavuto!
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 07:45 PM by VitriolAndAngst
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reply to post by grover
In a sense, if you go to a restaurant and eat some food -- the money that you owe for that food is no longer your money. So in that regard, yes, tax
money is not yours.
However, the Government is a "service" for the Greater Good of the people. If, on our behalf, the government bails out a company for services NOT
RENDERED -- but merely to prevent some alleged damage we might endure, this is really something we should watch.
We OWE the Government -- but when the money is spent, the government OWES us an explanation, and due diligence.
But frankly, this is like me going into a restaurant, and ordering a burger. Instead, you bring me a steaming pile of horse dung, and ask me to pay
$1,000 bucks. My response would be; "I didn't order this." Fortunately, I don't have to sell my house and move to another country to change
restaurants.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:08 PM by CharlesMartel
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In my cynical moments, which have been more frequent lately, I can see the silver lining in an Iranian mushroom cloud in Washington, DC.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:16 PM by CharlesMartel
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Originally posted by grover
Well I hate to burst anyone's bubble but once you've paid your taxes it really isn't your money anymore... its the government's and by extension
the nation's. So really when you look at it when you grudge paying taxes you are grudging your nation.
That's how they want you to think. They don't want you to forget about the ideals in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
If you read (or reread) the Constitution at its face value, its says the government works for us, not the other way around.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:33 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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All I can say is for people to show this out rage in all the E-mails they can write to those corrupted morons in Washington.
I am one of the few people I know who actually takes the time to E-mail my State’s 2 U.S. Senators and my district’s U.S. Congressman.
I always get the same types of automatically generated form E-mails back! If I write urging not to renew the Patriot Act when it’s up for a vote,
they write back saying “Good news our office is in Washington D.C. working hard for you on…” this piece of legislation and that piece of
legislation that will fix this and give you that and somewhere in that form letter it will say…and as always America’s security comes first which
is why I am supporting renewing the Patriot act.
They don’t ever to seem to read the E-mails or respond to the E-mails beyond putting you on their generic mailer and an auto response on their
offices current pending legislative agenda.
It’s a joke!
I think we need to take it one step further and truly concerned citizens in each district should start their own lobbying organizations by funding
them off of membership and donations and training someone from it to actually be a genuine lobbyist and to fly them to the Capital periodically to
actually get in the representatives ear and face with a real list of names of people who share the same view that funded the trip to tell them about
it.
It works for the corporations and other special interests; I believe it would be worth trying too as citizens.
I have to be honest; I hardly know one American who isn’t angry right now at something or someone Government related or business related that they
believe should have been better regulated by the Government.
Yet beyond voting for the same old political parties and political machines no matter how they disguise or sell themselves once every four years, no
one seems to ever do anything but be angry.
Usually as they get right inline to do the very thing that contributes to what they are angry about!
I think too much anger and too little sensible action and conduct has reduced us to this sorry state of affairs.
Henceforth I have decided to be ‘happy’ about everything and everyone, but have also decided to take a much more direct and active role in telling
everything and everyone what would make me ‘happier’ still!
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:46 PM by grover
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I never said we did.
I merely pointed out what should be obvious... taxes are the price we pay to live where we live and the way we live and to grudge them is ultimately
to grudge the nation.
If you want to live in a place with low to no taxes try Liberia... trust me you won't like it.
But if you want safe streets, paved roads, clean water, a strong military to protect us and all the benefits you gain by living anywhere in the
developed world you have to pay for it... and that payment is taxes and those taxes go to benefit all of us i.e. the nation.
And btw I don't agree with or like the congressman's attitude either.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:49 PM by mattifikation
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Perhaps a phone call would be more beneficial than an e-mail. Or even a snail-mailed letter.
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:51 PM by CaptGizmo
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This is how Washington explains the Bailouts to us.It all makes so much sense now.
All I can think of when watching this is it is sad but probably true in so many ways.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:23 AM by SJE98
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People will still buy cars, just not from GM, or finance then though American banks. HSBC is bank rolling the other auto manufactures for financing.
Like Honda, Toyota. etc, My wife just bought a Toyota financed from HSBC. A way better deal than any US bank offered her, and gave her a very, very
nice visa gift card to boot. GM is just standing in line like every other company out there. Yet they don’t have a plan, but want money. At first
I thought GM needs to be saved. Then after hearing the CEO of GM this week they better get rid of him or just face the music and go under. 2.5
million jobs will be lost because they go out of business. Maybe no one has realized this, but the U.S has lost more jobs than that in the past 8
years.
As for the GOP Congressman. What joke he is. Like the rest of the 110th congress.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 06:09 AM by mattifikation
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The problem is, most of our taxes don't pay for any of that stuff. The taxes just pay money that we "owe" to the central banking system. Safe
streets? Tell that to somebody in an inner city. Paved roads? There's quite a few that aren't in these rural areas. Clean water? I suppose we should
have to pay for the toxic chemicals they put into it. Strong military? Awesome, we can roll over countries that have nothing to do with us.
But the banks, OHHHHH BOY do the banks get their cut.
So yes, I hold a grudge about it. And for you to tell me not to, that's just despicable. I certainly will hold a grudge if my money is taken by force
and just given to some rich fat a-hole in Europe to roll around in.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 06:32 AM by stmichael
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If you don,t repay a loan you can be made bankrupth, what happens if the loans from the IMF are not repaid? do they take the country, where is the IMF
,s power? is it in the UN ? i would really like to know.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 10:38 AM by ZindoDoone
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Grover, the money we pay in taxes and send to DC does not make it the governments money, Its sent 'In Trust' to DC to pay debt to other nations and
provide for the welfare of the country as a whole.....at least it was supposed to be.( Article 1; Sec 8) The Critters in DC have conveniently forgot
that fact, and its plain to see that most of the public has also!
Zindo
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 01:13 PM by LordBucket
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This is totally ridiculous what he said!
No, he's completely correct. US Federal Reserve Notes do not belong to taxpayers. They belong to the Federal Reserve.
Translation: "Money" is not yours. They are IOU's belonging to a private, non-governmental bank that goes by the name of the Federal Reserve bank.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 02:13 PM by slimpickens93
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"The nation" IS "we the people". That means it is still "ours."
However, this isn't actually "tax dollars" is it? Doesn't the money for the bailout come from the treasury, and doesn't the treasury get the
money from the federal reserve, and doesn't the federal reserve print the money out of nothing? And don't these actions increase the supply of money
and make the dollars in "our" pockets more worthless than they already are? And we still have to pay it all back, somehow?
This is the way I understand it. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
Regardless of the technicalities, I believe it is more "our" money than it is "theirs".
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