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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:28 PM by arcnaver
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Originally posted by Blueracer
I would expect that Knollenberg will be voted out the next time he's up for election. How could people vote to elect him again after that statement.
Same way people voted back Murtha after he called everyone racists and morons.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:35 PM by mattifikation
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According to the article, he's already on his way out. Based on that, I'm guessing the voters he is employed by realized some time ago that he
needed to be fired.
And happily, they obliged.
Too bad his replacement is probably just another elitist puppet, and will do them no better. Oh well. :-/
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:43 PM by jefwane
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Look where he is from, Michigan.Surely his replacement will be on his knees in front of the Big 3 and UAW as well, and he's not praying on his knees
either.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:44 PM by Anonymous ATS
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I am a banker and this is a lie! Car loans are not being made because the would be buyers can't repay the loans and the ones who can DON"T want new
cars right now. They bought new cars in the last 24 months with 0% INTEREST AND DON'T WANT ANYMORE DEBT IN TODAYS ATMOSPHERE. cOME ON FOLKS STOP THE
GOVERNMENTAL LIES. yOU CAN ONLY SELL SO MANY CARS TO SO MANY PEOPLE.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:47 PM by mybigunit
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Originally posted by jefwane
Look where he is from, Michigan.Surely his replacement will be on his knees in front of the Big 3 and UAW as well, and he's not praying on his knees
either.
For the sake of Thanksgiving we will keep it that he is on his knees "gobble gobble"  I agree though this isnt just him who feels this way it is
everyone on Washington. I feel this was an admission that we have been debating here on ATS for awhile and that is our tax dollars 100% of them go to
pay the interest owed to banks. That money is bank money.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:57 PM by The Nighthawk
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Hey, if the Big 3 and the UAW got together to lobby for universal healthcare and a return of common-sense trade tariffs on imported vehicles and
parts, they'd be in a much better position to recover. When at least $2K of every car sold goes to insurance and pensions cars get expensive, and
corners get cut when it comes to manufacturing--outsource this, lay off X number of workers, etc. etc.
They, like all American businesses, have the power to save themselves if they ally with the right people. They just haven't realized yet whose side
of the fight they're really on.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:59 PM by Zepherian
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Actually, to be technical, it's not anyone's money, as it's issued as a debt instrument. Money sent out by the FED, with interest, levered through
a fractional reserve banking system into more debt, with even more interest (debt), in the end means it's just a bankers hand into the nations
pockets. Oh, and then we have the taxes, which in reality is just the government taking our money to pay it's debt to the bankers, preventing us from
paying our personal debts to the bankers with that amount. Either way it was always going back into the same place. Those that don't have debt to
anyone will still be hit by the inflation the creation of more debt to plug the debt of the system (temporarily obviously) causes. All hail
hypnodebt!
The banking system is basically like playing an arcade game with a quarter on a string. We are the game, the bankers are the guy with a string.
How was it that David de Rothschild put it recently? Debt and equity are the two halves of a banking system or something along those lines? Well,
it's their credit on our debt so they can end up with our equity. This is how this whole scam works.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 06:41 PM by jsobecky
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Click on his name in the link in the OP - it will take you to his site where you can send him the feedback he deserves.
I did. I feel better now.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 06:45 PM by marg6043
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reply to post by jsobecky
Thanks Js I have send so many E-mails to congress that I am probably in the list of people of interest but I don't care this nation needs to stand up
and show the morons in Washington who is really in charge and we can make their time in their positions very uncomfortable even while they are
stealing the tax payer money with their corporate ridden policies.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 06:48 PM by Europe
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Iv been a lurker on this site for a while now and it never ceases to amaze me that a lot of people on this site blame others for being rich and them
poor, your gonna have to realise that you will never be rich if you only trade time for money!
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 06:59 PM by aleon1018
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I can't help but wonder that the money that these banks received was credit these auto manufactures ONCE had, than the automanufactures were also
living beyond their means like many others. Would you buy a Detroit factory at auction?
I had a conversation with a neighbor about the loss I had on my 401k and he said: " It's not your money." also. I guess it's GHOST money or
monopoly money anyway.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:13 PM by Rockpuck
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reply to post by Keyhole
Technically speaking, it's not your money.
Most of the debt will be drawn from the sale of treasuries, which peaked due to the collapsing markets, meaning plenty of dollars..
Not so much tax payer dollars, then investors dollars..
Of course, someone has to pay the tab.
Eventually.
Not in their life time though.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:16 PM by arizonascott
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reply to post by Keyhole
Washington thinks that our hard earned tax dollars are their money to do with as they please!
It is our money and Washington, every single man and woamn in there were elected by the people
Why would they think that the money we pay out of our pockets does not belong to us?
I'll tell you why, because Washington is made up of people from rich families who never cared about money! Because our tax dollars are distributed by
a private bank that controls most of Washington and that trail leads to the central banks and again - Rockefeller and Rothschild!
Remember when three ships sailed from England to set up a new colony - because of taxation without representation? Remember how we foght and died many
wars to form this Republic?
They don't care about the American people, they are having fun with our money and having fun scaring the World.
It is time to put our money and our country back in to the hands of the people, we need politicians who come from grassroots and from the middle class
level!
We need people, for the people and by the people!
Not your money - hoew dare you - you old fart bag!
It is 1776 all over - get healthy, get fit and eat nutrition because we are going to need every last man woman and child to fight what is coming, they
may have the military industrial complex behind them, but lets see how they feel killing their own families and neighbors!
Unless they bring in foreign troops to patrol our street, which they have already set up and trained for!
Now, we know where this is going. Enjoy your turkey because it could be the last hearty and loving meal you share with your family for some time!
We are nothing but cockroaches and barbarians to these people!
Unless we speak out and fight, we are already dead.
Which reminds me of the old bible phrase in revelations and the end of time: "And the dead shall walk the Earth."
Unless we act we are already dead - which is what that means
I am beginning to think it's something like this, said in a crusty old cigar voice:
"Well boys, we have tapped America for all we could, lets let the power shift to China and put these spoiled middle class scum in America in their
place and on the edge of pain and misery. Good thing we made 'em fat and sick. They don't have anything left to stand on. When China is reaping the
benefits of Americas failure, we will infultrate them the same way we did in America, with taxes and slavery to debt. And if they don't like it, we
will just start an international crisis and strat/fund more wars! Ah hahahah."
[edit on 20-11-2008 by arizonascott]
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:20 PM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by Keyhole
I know it's from WND, but I'll post the video, it was said on Fox news!
Is this how MOST of our politicians feel about this bailout money?
This is totally ridiculous what he said!
Where does he think this money comes from, trees?
He was also arguing that the auto industry can't sell cars because nobody can get a loan to buy one of their cars, so they should be bailed out so
they will be around when people finally are able to get loans!
Know there's another ridiculous statement he made in this interview!
worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
When he says it is not your money, I think he is referring to how
it all owed to the banksters now and the US has long been a slave
state of said banksters as we can never repay the debt with the
interest load on top of it.
Google "money as debt", and you will see why it is not your money.
We are all slaves to the game they setup back in 1913, and it has
been downhill ever since.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:20 PM by The Nighthawk
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Originally posted by Europe
your gonna have to realise that you will never be rich if you only trade time for money!
How true. You have to learn to sell out your values without vomiting, how to screw people over without listening to your conscience, and how to
ignore the suffering of others while maintaining your ability to sleep at night.
Basically, you have to have a criminal mindset while working "within" the boundaries of the law.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:27 PM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by Fletcher33
reply to post by Keyhole
Or and i know this is crazy, make a car that does not require a god damn loan, what a concept. Take the hit and deal with it like all businesses here
have to , nobody came and bailed me out when my home business was suffering. I hate these big companies trying to dip in, and I hate more that gov
made this so easy, a company should hate and I mean hate to go the gov for aid, as in the past that meant loosing profit, loosing share of the
business, some sort of reparation for having to be bailed out, now there in line like its a great thing, which tells me we the people are getting
screwed hard. Sorry I just get so pissed at this.
Yeah it is pretty much fascism as hinted at by musselini and FDR.
en.wikipedia.org...
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:34 PM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by drwizardphd
reply to post by Keyhole
The government knows its not our money. This Congressman just got backed into a corner and accidentally let the truth slip out.
The whole idea of the free market is a lie. All the money goes up to a few bank accounts, and spread just enough of it out there to keep everyone in
debt to them. The average American is none the wiser and happily slaves away for his debt masters, each year anticipating his fleeting retirement so
he can lay back and die, passing the burden of sustaining the super-wealthy to the next generation. So it was and so it will be until America is
nothing but a shadow of what it used to be. God knows the people are kept too deaf and dumb for any sort of uprising.
This is exactly correct, watch "money as debt" google it.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:41 PM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by jam321
Cavuto should get TIME's Man of the Year award for telling Knollenberg the God Honest truth.
It is our money and for them to act ignorant of that fact is beyond pathetic.
Hard to believe people actually voted for this Congressman. His Constituents should start the process of removing him from Congress. He is an
embarrassment to the Great State of Michigan.
You might want to google "money as debt" its really not your money
in the eye of the banksters.
The banksters think they own you cause they tricked you into the
1913 creature from jekyll island scam, aka The Federal Reserve.
We are all pretty much just slaves at this point.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:46 PM by kyred
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Knollenberg, it IS the taxpayers' money. At least when the bill comes due the taxpayers will foot the bill. Kudos to Cavuto for saying out loud what
so many of us US citizens know. For years I have heard Rush Limbaugh saying on the radio that the money is the taxpayers'. But now one of his
Republican politicians says it isn't. The Democrats and Republicans are coming closer and closer to what I have believed for a long time now. They
are one and the same. Excuse my rant. I am just really tired of all this crap.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:56 PM by orderedchaos
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SSDD. is it me, or does it sound like our economy and entire livelihood is being held hostage?
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!
They know they have to power to threaten, and use just about any tactic available in their arsenal to fix us right and good.
They just want a piece of the pie, and since no one's buying their products, they've concocted an attempt to pillage what we don't offer.
When all's said and done, when these corporate monsters are done picking us apart, what will the total ransom be?
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