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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:33 AM by aleon1018
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i. dissociative etc.
Although there a few other connections, I had a recent converstation with a psychiatrist about having been referred to as an idiot savant. To which he
replied (not his exact words)I wasn't dumb enough to be in that category which is typical for people who have down syndrome.
I had also said I was diagnosed as having dissociative identity disorder and repressed memories I was recalling to which he also said isn't
recognized either. And yet some websites say differently. I suppose he is what some people refer to as a: "Bot?" or similar.
I did notice that he was nearly motionless and his eyes didn't seem to blink either as if reading from some texbook page from memory or teleprompter
somewhere in the room.
A person with DID or alternate personalities would seem to me to be an idiot savant if they were to pass these tests also.
To assume anything from textbooks this way isn't enough proof either.
Let's not forget Get Smart or "Ow, that smarts!" either.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 05:14 AM by destiny-fate
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Can we categorize people accurately into different personality types ? I mean take Einstein for example he was a brilliant mathematician ( left
hemisphere - thinker ) yet he himself admitted intuition played a huge part in his theories - because he was AWARE but how many intellects are totally
blind to the fact this faculty is functioning on a subconscious level ?
Einstein quotes
"Indeed, it is not intellect, but intuition which advances humanity. Intuition tells man his real purpose in this life... I do not need any
promise of eternity to be happy… my eternity is now. I have only one interest: to fill my purpose here where I am. This purpose is not given to me
by my parents or my surroundings. It is induced by some unknown factors. These factors make me part of eternity. In this sense I am a mystic...”
Although intuition is what allows us to move forward—is the most important part of thinking—it alone is not enough. Knowledge also has its place,
but intuition is the gatekeeper at the most critical juncture. Even though the workings of intuition remain mysterious, it is a reality.
When we get intuition what functions come into play - all of our senses - what function then helps to analyse and act on that data ? ( Intellect.)
Normally we are totally oblivious to each individual function and their interaction with one another. And in all honesty Seagrass surely creativity
would have to be the closest function associated with the Creator  so what does that tell you about yourself
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:05 AM by mysticalzoe
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I really don't have any of those i would not consider myself smart at anything actually. I am married to a high functing aspergers person, he has an
IQ of an genius, he has a photographic memory, and just so many other traits i wish i had. My kids are smart from their Father, as my gene pool
contributes nothing to their intelligence. All of my kids are advanced in school. I on the other hand, i'm the dummy in the family. My husband comes
from a whole line of artistic and mathematical genius's. I so wish i had his brain!!  I told him this many times, and he doesn't get it, he
said you want aspergers, I said no I want you IQ and photographic memory and your smarts ion science and math, that's all. LOL.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:56 AM by seagrass
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Thanks Destiny, but Einstein could play the violin... I am starting a little theory that math and music are related to some kind of genius I don't
have. It's ok. I don't think I am stupid or anything, and I wouldn't want to be like my genius relatives. They don't have the people skills that I
value. I must have chose those skills to be better at for some purpose.
You have word smarts. You have a way with words, you make them beautiful. And you have people skills because you are my friend.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 09:03 AM by seagrass
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Originally posted by mysticalzoe
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I really don't have any of those i would not consider myself smart at anything actually. I am married to a high functing aspergers person, he has an
IQ of an genius, he has a photographic memory, and just so many other traits i wish i had. My kids are smart from their Father, as my gene pool
contributes nothing to their intelligence. All of my kids are advanced in school. I on the other hand, i'm the dummy in the family. My husband comes
from a whole line of artistic and mathematical genius's. I so wish i had his brain!!  I told him this many times, and he doesn't get it, he
said you want aspergers, I said no I want you IQ and photographic memory and your smarts ion science and math, that's all. LOL. I doubt it.
I think you must be really good at something. Like the senses you have devoted your time and energy to something, and maybe you haven't given that
topic or issue enough credit. Perhaps you are a genius at something others haven't given enough value. What is it? Are you a wonderful mom, do you
support others to get them where they want to go, are you a giver? I don't even know what aspergers is and i am going to have to look it
up..... Persons with AS show marked deficiencies in social skills, have difficulties with transitions or changes and prefer sameness. They often
have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest. They have a great deal of difficulty reading nonverbal cues
(body language) and very often the individual with AS has difficulty determining proper body space. Often overly sensitive to sounds, tastes, smells,
and sights, the person with AS may prefer soft clothing, certain foods, and be bothered by sounds or lights no one else seems to hear or see. It's
important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently. Therefore, many behaviors that seem odd or unusual are due to
those neurological differences and not the result of intentional rudeness or bad behavior, and most certainly not the result of "improper
parenting".
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 05:42 PM by destiny-fate
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You are a genius of kindness - I don't know what I would of done without your support and because of that you have a very special place in my heart.
You have amazing inuition - insight and analytical skills - the list could go on and on
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 05:54 PM by Incarnated
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Originally posted by seagrass
Where do "creative" people fall on that list? People who are artistic? If it is spacial then, why do some people excel in certain types of art as
opposed to others?
Such lists of understanding could be refined and argumented about until the cows come home. However let's assume that this list is accurate. It's
trough to find's one's spacing within such a ridgid list. One should keep in mind that these are just conditions, and that ones' self doesn't have
to fit into any catagory as we are all a mixture of such a list. There are those that might fall under stupid accross the board and those that might
have smarts scattered about the list, however I'd say true inteligents would be finding a ballance.
Maybe such a list is like a shopping list:
Flower
Sugar
Eggs
Milk
Fruit
Butter
It's the combination of said ingredents as to meausre and usage that makes the diffrence between bread, muffins, cakes, and an omlet.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:19 PM by seagrass
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excellent analogy. I am trying to figure out what I want to make for breakfast...  Or what kind of recipe makes for enlightenment or happiness...
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 08:22 PM by seagrass
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(((Destiny))) You just described yourself. I wish I was able to have your dreams and abilities to see the beauty and connection in all things. Your
spirituality is genius.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 08:42 PM by DarkCyrus
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- Emotional Intelligence:
(to understand and be aware of the reason's in feeling emotions)
- Cosmic Intelligence:
(to understand and be aware of the universal mind and universal life)
- Spiritual Intelligence:
(to be aware of, and understand the spiritual body and its energies)
- Personal Intelligence:
(to understand and be aware of your own self and who you are)
Deep introspective intelligence can also relate to other intelligences of the mind. From a deep and concious level, all of the connections in life
seem apparent. For example, to have understanding is a type of intelligence, to be aware of the reasoning for other's actions and their
motivations.
Understanding is not something you choose to have, it is intelligence.
At the point where a person is choosing to allow themselves to have understanding when they allready have the knowledge, they would be choosing the
opposite pole of understanding, which is ignorance. Understanding is a dual meaning word, it means to know and understand the truth and it shows you
the way to compassion with that understanding and through the proper utilization of that understanding comes wisdom.
To have understanding but to choose not to use it, you are dulling the mind. To have understanding is intelligence. Everything you talk about when
putting intelligence into classifications is about having an understanding about those things. It may even be a personal thing with someone, to have
understanding of the truth of anothers situation would bring intelligence with the understanding and you would be wise. Wisdom come not from
knowledge, but the proper utalization of said knowledge.
Sometimes it is the simplest and small things that invoke the greatest and most shaking truths in the mind.
I know there's more but these came to the forefront of my mind.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:05 PM by DarkCyrus
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Truth along with understanding reside within. To follow your own truth with your understanding is called wisdom. In other words, to follow through
with what you beleive to be truth is wise. You can only be as wise as is as much of your understanding that you have. My thoughts are all over the
place so its hard to write coherently, sorry.
I will post more if I think about it later.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:10 PM by mind is the universe
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I'd have those 4 intellegences, they come naturally to me, so much so that my logic and earthly intellegences has to play catch up.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:13 PM by mind is the universe
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But what does it mean if you have universal and spiritual intellegences?
I mean I'm pretty much normal and your average intellegent person. IQ is slighty above average last time I did it.
I mean, Knowing you have this? what does it mean. I'm not an einstein obviously, but what would you call people who are sharply intutive??
Just wonderings
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:19 PM by nerbot
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Originally posted by DarkCyrus
To follow your own truth with your understanding is called wisdom. In other words, to follow through with what you beleive to be truth is wise.
Hmm....  ...sorry, I can't accept that in the simple terms you have described.
What if the persons belief of truth is based on little truth and/or limited understanding without accepting there's more?
Isn't that called "ignorance"?
I suppose what you've described IS true if we accept it could also relate to "bad" wisdom, but then it's not wise!
Wisdom from Dictionary.com
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:26 PM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by nerbot
Originally posted by DarkCyrus
To follow your own truth with your understanding is called wisdom. In other words, to follow through with what you beleive to be truth is wise.
Hmm....  ...sorry, I can't accept that in the simple terms you have described.
What if the persons belief of truth is based on little truth and/or limited understanding without accepting there's more?
Isn't that called "ignorance"?
I suppose what you've described IS true if we accept it could also relate to "bad" wisdom, but then it's not wise!
Wisdom from Dictionary.com
But inner truth is in everyone, and most people don't tap that part. Where the wisdom is.
It is ignorant of course to blindly say that your personal truth is all knowing. That is not wisdom. I have inner knowing and the inner source from
within speaks to me, it's true as it comes to me. But I don't hold that knowing to be the ultimate. I don't take the wisdom personal. Wisdom isn't
personal. I would think that is ignorant and blocking actual wisdom from coming through to think wisdom comes from the self.
Does this make much sense?
Maybe he meant, been true to yourself, means wisdom is coming through, rather than followin your own wisdom. God this is confusing lol.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:30 PM by NeuronDivide
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For those of you that KNOW.... this thread has been manufactured by A CERTAIN COMMITEE to extract certain points of information from you all... - and
they are doing this because they are actually scared of PROMETHEUS...- but make haste.... slowly....
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:36 PM by nerbot
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Originally posted by mind is the universe
God this is confusing lol.
Yeah, my head hurts too....great innit?
Better than telly anyday.
I'm going to have to ponder the "wisdom from the self" thing though.
I don't quite understand where else my wisdom would come from, except the personal experiences and accumulated learnings of my life.
Is that not part of my "self"? It's hard to divorce that knowledge back to it's origin and see it as a true source. Without my personal skills
it's just knowledge isn't it. It became wisdom when I understood how to use the knowledge to benefit.
Most people can count but few are great mathematicians. Anyone can read a dictionary or thesaurus but few can write a great novel....hope this makes
sense.
Pass the paracetamol..
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:45 PM by mind is the universe
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Well the higher self, is what I believe the real you that "knows" this life path and what you are here to do. The ego and the self, is what I think
your getting the higher self mixed up with in regards to the above questioning of wisdom comign from the self. The ego is the basic self. The part
that is purely on survival needs. Wisdom is not accessed through the ego self. I think I understand your point to the other poster, in asking about
his notion's of the wisdom purely coming from the "self" in that case. I think He should of meant the Higher self.
Your life experiences and life it's self around is here, is to teach you and show you. IF your truly aware of your purpose, then you will just
"know" Your higher power know's. I think that is part of what he meant.
Like for example, your higher power/self knows, but you might not. But your experience's in life, are a guide and path to show you to become what you
are and what you are here to do. This wisdom coming through to you from the higher mind. The higher self is the divine part of you.
Hope this might help in some way? I'm already taking stuff my headache
There is wisdom for ya  jk.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:53 PM by mind is the universe
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Originally posted by NeuronDivide
For those of you that KNOW.... this thread has been manufactured by A CERTAIN COMMITEE to extract certain points of information from you all... - and
they are doing this because they are actually scared of PROMETHEUS...- but make haste.... slowly....
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Scared? hmmmmm.
Ok.
Now moving on. I don't think it really matters.
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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:58 PM by nerbot
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Yeah, some confusion in the translation me thinks....
"Myself" & my "self".
I would also agree that the ego carries little wisdom at all, and infact is probably the seed of ignorance eh?
My all time favorite book.. In The Dark Places Of Wisdom by Peter Kingsley.
Veeeery deep. Interesting stuff about "incubation" and the lost and forgotten secrets of self-healing.
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