Is it possible for the Pentagon attack jet to fly north of the citgo and still hit the Pentagon?, page 3
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 09:06 AM by jthomas



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 12:37 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
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Back on topic.....

Do you agree that if a north side approach in general, as independently reported by 13 witnesses, is accurate that it proves a flyover?

Or are you going to be the sole other person in the universe willing to support cogburn's scientifically impossible assertion of an NoC impact?


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 04:59 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
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post by jthomas



Back on topic.....

Do you agree that if a north side approach in general, as independently reported by 13 witnesses, is accurate that it proves a flyover?


How?



reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:10 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
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"How?"?

That is not an answer to the question.

Let me know which words in the question you do not understand and I will look them up in the dictionary for you.

I'll even re-phrase it for you to see if that helps you understand....

Do you believe the physical damage at the Pentagon could have been caused by a plane that flew north of the citgo?


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:15 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
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post by jthomas



"How?"?

That is not an answer to the question.


You mean you can't even explain HOW it proves a flyover?!



You get funnier by the day.


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 05:18 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
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Of course I can but the question was posed to you.

Do you believe the physical damage at the Pentagon could have been caused by a plane that flew north of the citgo?


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 06:07 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
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post by jthomas



Of course I can but the question was posed to you.


This was the question you asked:

Do you agree that if a north side approach in general, as independently reported by 13 witnesses, is accurate that it proves a flyover?


I asked you, "How?"

You couldn't answer the question. Now you say you can. So, answer the question: how?


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 06:29 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
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Apparently YOU can't answer the question since you are responding with another question.

I know for a fact that a plane on the north side proves a flyover since this is irreconcilable with all the physical damage.

I am simply asking you to acknowledge this scientific fact but not surprisingly you are unable to engage in normal intellectual discussion without evasion, dismissal, and spin.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by Craig Ranke CIT]


reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 08:40 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
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post by jthomas



Apparently YOU can't answer the question since you are responding with another question.


You said ytou could answer my question. Proceed.

I know for a fact that a plane on the north side proves a flyover since this is irreconcilable with all the physical damage.


Show us how you could know that.

I am simply asking you to acknowledge this scientific fact but not surprisingly you are unable to engage in normal intellectual discussion without evasion, dismissal, and spin.


You have to demonstrate that you have any "scientific fact." So far, you claim to but refuse to demonstrate it when I repeatedly ask you to. You just claim that you "know" but are apparently helpless to demonstrate it.

That doesn't surprise me since you have been wholly unable to prove any of your claims since you started CIT.

Combined with Aldo's meltdown and punishment at another forum in not being able to demonstrate a flyover and SPreston's claim that the employees of American Airlines and United Airlines were part of the "crime" that killed their fellow employees, you ought to quit before you get further behind.

In fact, Craig, it is time to give it up once and for all. We see right through you.



[edit on 24-11-2008 by jthomas]


reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 09:14 AM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by Stillresearchn911



Hi Stillresearchn911.

It's impossible for any independent citizen researcher to answer all the questions of what happened on 9/11 nor is it our responsibility.

It should be evident to intellectually honest, logical people that the official story does not add up as there are many questions in every aspect.

The burden of proof regarding 19 rag tag Muslim hijackers is on the authorities and they have failed to meet that burden.

All we should need to do as citizens is uncover one fatal anomaly in their story and the rest falls apart like a house of cards.

For instance.......if building 7 can be proven to be a controlled demolition.....9/11 is proven to be an inside job.

Period.

It is not required to explain what happened to the passengers of 77, or to the plane that allegedly crashed in Shanksville, or even exactly HOW they pulled off the controlled demolitions in Manhattan.

One single piece of evidence proving building 7 was a controlled demo should lead to grand juries, congressional investigations, indictments, and a moratorium on the fraudulent "war on terror".


We have proven how the plane in Arlington did not hit the building. This is evident for a lot of reasons but primarily because all of the witnesses in the area unanimously place it on the north side of the citgo making it impossible to be what caused the physical damage.

This simple fact alone is enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job without any other questions being answered. Do we want them all answered?

Of course!

But that will not happen without indictments and it's likely not to happen then either.

But we did not set out to prove a "flyover theory".

We simply embarked on an independent investigation to find out where people saw the plane.

They saw it on the north side which automatically proves a flyover.

This was not our idea. It was not our goal and it was not our theory.

It's simply what got uncovered and we see it as the most vulnerable part of the 9/11 deception and therefore the most important point we should be focusing on.

Building 7 is important but it's gone and the entire controlled demo discussion has been reduced to a scientific debate where they trot out a dozen "experts" for every expert that speaks out questioning the collapses.

The discussion has been effectively neutralized.

This can not be done with the north side evidence.

Not a single pilot, engineer, physicist, rationalist, or intellectually honest person would logically try to argue that a plane on the north side as reported by all the witnesses could be what caused the physical damage.

Hope that helps.







[edit on 25-11-2008 by Craig Ranke CIT]


reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 10:47 AM by ipsedixit
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


It helps a lot but agent provocateurs, spin doctors, the congenitally incredulous, village idiots, and please, please dupe me masochists can hardly be expected to be swayed by a sane rationalist.

It helps however to keep discussing these things and to meet the arguments of all of the above. If we yield the floor to them then every new person coming to these forums gets to hear the cockeyed version unopposed.

Go Craig, but conserve your energy for the important stuff.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by ipsedixit]


reply posted on 25-11-2008 @ 11:32 AM by billybob
i agree. i didn't before, but now i see it.
the damage is irreconcilable with the northern path, which IS effectively proven in toto.

all the witnesses drew the same approach, and if they were unreliable, their testimony wouldn't all be exactly the same(ie. north of citgo).

OBVIOUSLY, the light poles were planted, and witnesses who claim to have seen them get knocked over were planted.

what kind of psy-op WOULDN'T have all kinds of planted evidence and witnesses?

and, "where are the whistleblowers?". they are all on an anthrax free diet.

and, "well what caused the downed poles and DID hit the pentagon?". good question. a missile? plain old laying down poles here and there(that's certainly what it looks like, as the lawn around the poles show no damage) and planted explosives IN the pentagon, or a TRUCK BOMB as was reported at one point.

and, what about the car bomb outside the state department? it was reported, but didn't happen, or happened, but was no longer reported?
or the van loaded with explosives in NYC? real? it's on the emergency radio recordings.
a missile from the woolworth's building? it's on the emergency radio recordings.
MANY things were reported on 911 that didn't actually happen, or did happen and were later ignored/covered-up by the media. ALL of these things act as FOG in the FOG OF WAR.
a couple planted light poles are a small feat compared to the whole ball of deceptive wax.

what is CLEAR, is that the MEDIA/MILITARY(yes, they are ONE) was involved in a multiplicity of DECEIT.

i can't express the gratitude i have for the seemingly tireless efforts of CIT. they have cleared MUCH of the FOG from the pentagon scenario, and the world is a better place for it.
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