Originally posted by HunkaHunka
For Pete's sake, you can't claim "THINGS ARE THE SAME" when there are not things to tell by.

Yes there are. When Obama screamed 'change change change' and he said that the people in Washington were all part of the problem - then he very strongly insinuated that he would be NOT using the same old problem people. He should NOT have said that the people were the problem if he intended to use them.

Geesh. Some people are just sore losers.

Wrong. (It's comical when people assume that they have figured out my interior motivatons. )

I didn't vote for McCain. I voted Constitution Party - which would have been REAL change - change back to the Constitution and what this country was founded on. (I didn't agree with the whole platform, but enough to vote for it) So I am not a 'sore loser' - I am not 'sour grapes' - I am not 'a spoiled brat' - I am not a racist - and mostly I am not 'scared of change' - those are all pathetic remarks made by obama followers. They simply aren't true. I knew Baldwin wouldn't win. If I wanted to vote for the winner - simply to be on the winning side - I would have voted for OBama - because the Bildebergers pre-ordained him to win. But I don't vote for someone based upon if they can win or not. I vote for who I think is best.

Pointing out when politicians do not live up to their campaign promises is NOT being a sore loser.

edited immediately to fix quote

[edit on 11/20/2008 by FlyersFan]

After all of that all I can add is that having worked in a variety of restaurants I have seen on a small scale how the owner/manager sets the tone and the rest of the staff follow... I have seen places turn around with the hiring of a good manager and seen places close because of a bad one.

Obama's three biggest strengths from what I can tell is that he is disciplined... he's intelligent and he has an even temperment, hard to ruffle as it were...

... the last thing we need in the oval office right now is a hot head with a hair trigger temper or another idiot.

Wouldn't you guys consider a CEO to have almost absolute power while a President has limited powers? A CEO can change his or her company budget, but Obama is dependent on Congress to change government's budget. A CEO doesn't have to worry about getting votes, Obama does. A CEO can fire anybody in his company, Obama can only fire the people he hire.

Basically, a CEO has more control over the company than Obama does over government.

In addition, Obama is more dependent on the people he appoints. Obama is not an expert on defense, economics, treasury, health and human services, foreign affairs. He will have to rely on the options his appointees offer in order to make decisions. And these appointees already have preconceived ideas how things should be. That isn't necessary a bad thing. However, what worked during the Clinton years could be a total failure in his administration due to the different set of circumstance we find ourselves in.

As far as change I don't see none coming from Congress. Of course, they have a reputation to uphold. I don't see any drastic change in the people he is appointing. However, I do feel you will see change later when he starts appointing judges. I think you will see change when he starts dealing with other countries. But just like any other President he will have his fair share of mistakes, bumps, and bruises. Change has a broad meaning and Obama was very clever in not narrowing the meaning of change. That is why so many of us debate what change really means.

Yes what a crock the Obama supporters were fed,he promised no lobbyist in his cabinet,so what does he do? hires 5 hard core ones,I have a feeling he will make Bush and Cheney look like choir boys,what a hell of a 4 yrs we have comming,thanks a pad load Obamamites

What I find side splittingly funny is all of you who did not vote for Obama, would not vote for Obama and actively dislike the man to the point that you won't even give him a chance are carping about how he promised change and nothing has changed and he hasn't been sworn in yet.

Originally posted by grover
What I find side splittingly funny is all of you who did not vote for Obama, would not vote for Obama and actively dislike the man to the point that you won't even give him a chance are carping about how he promised change and nothing has changed and he hasn't been sworn in yet.

That's exactly right grover, I find that hilarious myself.

Originally posted by grover
What I find side splittingly funny is all of you who did not vote for Obama, would not vote for Obama and actively dislike the man to the point that you won't even give him a chance are carping about how he promised change and nothing has changed and he hasn't been sworn in yet.

Don't be ridiculous, grover. How long would you have us wait before expressing concern? How long did you wait?

You can't expect to usher in "change" with a group of people that don't seem to believe in it themselves.

Surely you've heard the phrase "handwriting on the wall" before. Look again, the writing is being done as we speak.

[edit on 11/20/2008 by centurion1211]

I swear I think that some of you are pathologically incapable of entertaining the notion that maybe, just maybe a liberal/moderate Democrat might end up doing a good job.

When you look at it... over the past 40 years we have had 12 years of Democratic presidents vs. 32 years of Republican presidents and look at the mess the country is in. As far as I am concerned the onus is on the Republicans to prove that they can govern at all.

As it is all they've done is give away the farm.

Also look at that same statistic... 12 years vs. 32 years. Consequently the Democratic pool to chose from then is obviously limited and like I said before if you want to actually do something then you need people on your team that know the ropes.

Besides that the only politician that is pristine is one who has never won an election.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by grover]

Originally posted by grover
I swear I think that some of you are pathologically incapable of entertaining the notion that maybe, just maybe a liberal/moderate Democrat might end up doing a good job.

When you look at it... over the past 40 years we have had 12 years of Democratic presidents vs. 32 years of Republican presidents and look at the mess the country is in. As far as I am concerned the onus is on the Republicans to prove that they can govern at all.

As it is all they've done is give away the farm.

Also look at that same statistic... 12 years vs. 32 years. Consequently the Democratic pool to chose from then is obviously limited and like I said before if you want to actually do something then you need people on your team that know the ropes.

Besides that the only politician that is pristine is one who has never won an election or held a post.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by grover]

Or is it that obama supporters are pathologically incapable of understanding why dems have been president for "only 12 years" - the voters end up not liking them or their policies.

I think you missed my post where I pointed out that us liberals/progressives are far more critical than conservative/Republicans are.

You would have never heard the gungo ho choruses justifying Clinton if he had behaved like bush minor.

Originally posted by grover
I think you missed my post where I pointed out that us liberals/progressives are far more critical than conservative/Republicans are.

No, I saw it. Just don't agree. Why? The Zogby poll mentioned in my other thread says absolutely otherwise, for one.

You would have never heard the gungo ho choruses justifying Clinton if he had behaved like bush minor.

Clinton behaved like a buffoon while in the White House, and before (I lived in Arkansas when he was governor). And there were no criticisms from the "critical" left, just rabid defense of clinton at all costs.

[edit on 11/20/2008 by centurion1211]

Forgive me if my terminology is wrong here, but, has anyone given any thought as to whom BO would pick as the Secretary of Energy..?

Would he choose Gore..?

(I'm not here to argue, just curious as to others opinions on this)